JAMES! This has nothing to do with the Bass , but , drop what you're doing ,now! If you were'nt doing anything, do something , THEN drop it !!! I just found something highly covetous concerning The Equals. The ever - elusive "EVEN WHITE PEOPLE !!" version of "Soul Brother Clifford" on vinyl!! A reissue , of course , but not the Astan comp that never turns up on vinyl , and my cassette copy has HAD it.
James Porter said:
I think the Equals had to have had a bass player in the studio. That instrument was usually the loudest thing heard on their records.
John Battles said:
The Equals , three Guitars , no Bass....centuries before it was cool.
While we're on the subject of more than one bass...
When a band has more than one bassist, or drummer, I'll be damned if I can tell the difference. Either live or on record. It still sounds the same to me.
There is one Melvins CD I have where the sound is noticeably fatter with the additional bass/drums in the mix, but with everybody else, it doesn't really change the sound much. So you have two bass players? May as well have stuck to just one for all the good it did...
YOW ! I saw Deke Dickerson lead seven or eight stand up bass players , together , once. It was painful. that was the idea. Actually , your concept reminds me of a friend's band in Denton , Texas called Charred. They usually played customized guitars (Using TV parts instead of strings , for example.) , but , they'd also stage public performances , encouraging anyone that was handy to beat out a rhythm on pieces of metal. One time , they got about 50 people beating out a rhythm on the sides of a house !
jason cook said:
I was in a band back in the 90's called Headbutt. We had four bassists and four drummers playing lumps of metal broken cymbals and floor toms. We put out several singles and a few lps. Now that was insane!
Do you mean like the instrument used on Hugo Montenegro's soundtrack work ? That CAN more than compensate for the lack of a bass. I've heardit done.
Wipeout! said:
Hate to sound like I'm swingin' fer both teams but my current garage-slop band, the Get Wets, started out as just bass, organ & drums (NO guitars allowed)...we wailed & the bassist often usta fuzz out this sound (as did the organ-pounder)
...fast-forward to now, same band but different instrumentation: baritone sax, baritone guitar & drums (NO bass no mo')...it sounds mighty trashy in a how-low-can-ya-go sorta low-end-bop but not a bassist to be found...even tho in a perfect party world I'd love to have a bass (& combo-organ fer that matter) back in the mix we really don't miss 'em...
You're probably right , but , they seemed to have their guitars tuned funny to compensate (Not all 3 of them) , but , if you listen to them , live , on Beat! Beat ! Beat ! , they more than make up for the lack of bass.....They had their personalities , the underrated guitar mastery of one Eddy Grant , and the fact that they were probably the only English /Guayanese / Jamaican outfit to hit the international charts, in their favor ....not to mention ,they were often anachronisms , and proud of it ("I Can See But You Don't Know " , the only Freakbeat single released in 1970 , barring The Troggs' "Feels Like A Woman".
James Porter said:
I think the Equals had to have had a bass player in the studio. That instrument was usually the loudest thing heard on their records.
John Battles said:
The Equals , three Guitars , no Bass....centuries before it was cool.
Hey w. dave: Yup, that's a gem. Anyone remember Rods and Cones (they were labelled New Wave! :( ) Yeah, well, in Boston, you had the added advantage of some of the best uni radio stations in the country. One station (I'm told is now RIP) played top 20 of local indies every week, including local garage trash :). But, we have right here Ms. Joanie Lindstrom, still going strong on the Late Risers Club, as well as others keeping the garage and punk fires burning in Boston.
We also had several colleges, like Emerson, and others whose students made it their business to video stuff, myself included. Alas, I no longer am in possession of the video I did of Reign of Death (complete with trippy video feedback). Don't worry, I've castigated myself enough for the loss).
Of course, my eccentric scrapbook includes local nites of Chesterfield Kings, Scruffy the Cat, Dogmatics, Prime Movers, and of course, the H/O's (didn't play I'm Love with Mo Tucker for nuthin' ya know). But it's hard to explain to people how strange the PM's looked when the local scene was moving into the Boston Hardcore days and they we're still bashing tambourines and growing their hair over their foreheads...
And yeah, a lot of those bands were known as 'punk' but of course we know their roots were still firmly planted in the garage.
Keep the garage door open and turn up your amps; the neighbours will thank you for it, Mel
whatwave dave said:
Cool vid Mel, haven't seen that one before!
And i still haven't left the garage since entering in the early 80's....saw as many of those bands as was possible back then, and bought as many records as i could afford. Still digging most of that stuff to this day as well as most of the new garagepunk stuff. We did a zine in the 80's/90's that covered the garage zine from a Canadian perspective...ie Gruesomes, 10 Commandments, UIC, Deja Voodoo etc. Even releasing some records and many compilation cassettes that came with the zine.
Like John says about Plan 9, they were just amazing live, and each time you'd see them they would be different. First time we saw them they were straight 60's punk, next time some psych influences, then some jazz influences and last time more rock'n'roll. One of the best live bands from that era, but overlooked by many as they weren't straight 60's clones.
Some of my fave bands from that era include; Miracle Workers, Crawdaddys, Gruesomes, Tell-Tale Hearts, Fuzztones, Fleshtones, Morlocks, Hypstrz, Barracudas, Plasticland, Brood and so many more....gotta go spin some vinyl now that i've whet may appetite!
melissa scott said:
Some of us were hanging out in the garage in the early '80's. And some of us never left ;) Check out this interview from Boston with the Prime Movers.
The Gruesomes , how could I forget.....I saw the reformed band a few years back , sounded great. Deja Voodoo were hilarious. Their first LP was like a Cramps bootleg (The Cramps are plenty hot'n'horny with me, bt , it's cool.). Bloodshot Bill played drums at a "Reunion" show a while back. We were all just watching the sexual revolution slip right out of our hands , and listening to our older friends BRAG about it. Nothing revolutionary about that . Yeah , Hardcore alienated people that were'nt into the violence, the asexual stance, and the refusal to be influenced by anything pre- 1980. Now, I liked some of it , to a point , but , it had a short shelf like with me , and there was so much more going on , IF you were willing to look...... Someone else got the memo , because , when The Butthole Surfers started to become popular , the press and the patrons alike mistook them for a Hardcore band ,all because of their name. They were slow as HELL I when I first saw'em , in 1982. But , they found their thing , and it was very Psychedelic .Evenif it had a short shelf life , too.
Next thing you knew , more bands were moving away from Hardcore and more toward Psych. In Dallas , where I lived , we had two key Psych bands ,The Peyote Cowboys and Lithium Xmas , but there was no Garage scene at all , except the Shitty Beatles (The originals. accept no substitute.) , but ,they were'nt widely accepted at the time , as they were in their mid 30's , looked nerdy , wore glasses and , well , some of 'em were a bit on the heavy side , and did'nt have that "Underground" look , you know , Led Zeppelin locks , but that made them more human. Of course , to look like that , NOW , and maybe throw in a baseball cap or some sweatpants , the ladies would have to take a number , you'd be booked solid ! I've mentioned those bands before.....Burning Rain , Hash Palace , and a revamped Other Side (Who were previously more Hendrix/Cream HARD ROCK) formed in my absence , AND TRIED TO KEEP THE PSYCH GAME GOING , But , without stealing the still - active Lithium Xmas' thunder. ....... SO , WHEN i FINALLY GOT TO WHAT Garage fans called "The Promised Land" , L.A. , IN 1987 , IMAGINE MY SURPRISE , Cruisin ' The Sunset Strip , seeing none of the "Bogus Sky Saxons" promised me in "KICKS " MAGAZINE, but , instead a lot of Bogus ROBERT PLANTS. BAD METAL WAS KICKING PUNK , ROCKABILLY , AND GARAGE OUT TO THE CURB. Some of those bands could gig on occasion , but , it was METAL UBER ALLES.
THIS was rebellion?!!! Oh , well. Sorry to get so longwinded. yeah , I have one of your magazines , Dave. Very cool.
whatwave dave said:
Cool vid Mel, haven't seen that one before!
And i still haven't left the garage since entering in the early 80's....saw as many of those bands as was possible back then, and bought as many records as i could afford. Still digging most of that stuff to this day as well as most of the new garagepunk stuff. We did a zine in the 80's/90's that covered the garage zine from a Canadian perspective...ie Gruesomes, 10 Commandments, UIC, Deja Voodoo etc. Even releasing some records and many compilation cassettes that came with the zine.
Like John says about Plan 9, they were just amazing live, and each time you'd see them they would be different. First time we saw them they were straight 60's punk, next time some psych influences, then some jazz influences and last time more rock'n'roll. One of the best live bands from that era, but overlooked by many as they weren't straight 60's clones.
Some of my fave bands from that era include; Miracle Workers, Crawdaddys, Gruesomes, Tell-Tale Hearts, Fuzztones, Fleshtones, Morlocks, Hypstrz, Barracudas, Plasticland, Brood and so many more....gotta go spin some vinyl now that i've whet may appetite!
melissa scott said:
Some of us were hanging out in the garage in the early '80's. And some of us never left ;) Check out this interview from Boston with the Prime Movers.
I hear you all on the disposable income issue. I had the advantage of being near a good college radio station and lots of used record stores where I knew the owners real good. A lot of the Voxx bands were pretty formulaic and tried too hard to recreate the 60's garage movement. Funny thing is, as with the Cramps, the original songs these bands covers where a lot move interesting and better than their cover versions. You just can't recreate the energy that horny, adolescent teens at the dawn of the sexual revolution had. It was all new, fresh and original in the pre-summer of love 60's. I will say that the 80's garage revival was a welcome diversion for me from the overly political and cynical hardcore punk movement of the time. The garage scene was a lot more fun, plus that audience had a lot more women with it, which was OK by me. lol
And i still haven't left the garage since entering in the early 80's....saw as many of those bands as was possible back then, and bought as many records as i could afford. Still digging most of that stuff to this day as well as most of the new garagepunk stuff. We did a zine in the 80's/90's that covered the garage zine from a Canadian perspective...ie Gruesomes, 10 Commandments, UIC, Deja Voodoo etc. Even releasing some records and many compilation cassettes that came with the zine.
Like John says about Plan 9, they were just amazing live, and each time you'd see them they would be different. First time we saw them they were straight 60's punk, next time some psych influences, then some jazz influences and last time more rock'n'roll. One of the best live bands from that era, but overlooked by many as they weren't straight 60's clones.
Some of my fave bands from that era include; Miracle Workers, Crawdaddys, Gruesomes, Tell-Tale Hearts, Fuzztones, Fleshtones, Morlocks, Hypstrz, Barracudas, Plasticland, Brood and so many more....gotta go spin some vinyl now that i've whet may appetite!
melissa scott said:
Some of us were hanging out in the garage in the early '80's. And some of us never left ;) Check out this interview from Boston with the Prime Movers.
I guess , by that , we'd be more like middle aged. I was around then , but , did'nt have the income to be buying a lot of untested product. I loved The Fleshtones from the word "Go". My Brother had their first album . I was hearing some of the Voxx stuff on George Gimarc's radio show in Dallas , like The Crawdaddys , Chesterfield Kings , and I was reading about those bands , as well as The Tell Tale Hearts and others in some of the bigger rock mags , and maybe the exceptional New York Rocker , too. But , it seemes like that stuff peaked around '84 , but , it was'nt until '86 that I was getting caught up with more of it.....
But , in Punk Rock TERMS , TWO YEARS WAS'NT A BIG DEAL. I MEAN , AGAIN , YOU HAD THE INNATE HIPNESS AND THE DISPOSABLE INCOME TO BUY 76 -77 PUNK ROCK RECORDS , OR YOU LISTENED TO IT WHEN YOU COULD , AND BOUGHT IT , LATER. SAME WITH GARAGE REVIVAL RECORDS......I LOVED THE PANDORAS' FIRST TWO RECORDS (THO , I FEEL THE BROOD LATER BEAT THEM AT WHAT USED TO BE THEIR OWN GAME.). For all the hatin' The Fuzztones get , they presented their thing in such a way that fans of just straight ahead Rock'n'Roll could get into it. That said , I think "Salt For Zombies" is their best release , and that was only , what ? 6 or 7 years ago?
Plan 9 had something unique , especially in Eric Stumpo's exceptional vocals and lead guitar. They did'nt care if they were accepted into the clubhouse or not. I only saw them once, when live Garage shows were VERY rare , and they were great. A little later , or about the same time , I liked The Nomads , Stems , Stomachmouths , Thee Fourgiven , Royal Nonesuch , Cynics , and English Garage /Trash bands (Pron. "Gare - edge") like The Stingrays , Vibes , Huns (American , based in England) , Milkshakes (Billy Childish , before someone named him God.), Prisoners , Tall Boys, X-Men , etc. Now , some of this stuff I still like , but , some of these bands that tried too hard to sound like The Pebbles Reissues , not so much. If you look around , The Fuzztones were'nt the only band preoccupied with their image.
I was digging through some old vinyl and reminiscing on the 80's garage revival. Voxx records put out some great stuff during that time. Some of my favorites are:
Gravedigger V - All Black and Hairy
Pandoras - It's About Time
Dwarves - Horror Stories
Miracle Workers - Inside Out
Stomachmouths - Wild Trip
Anyway, any old timers up here? What were you digging on?
Still good information. It gives me something to keep an eye out for. Thanks alot.
Ali Want said:
I know Edwin "The Savage Pencil" Pouncey was working on a book about Detroit Music a long while back but it doesn't seem to have appeared anywhere yet. Not directly helpful to your query, but it may eventually appear.
I know Edwin "The Savage Pencil" Pouncey was working on a book about Detroit Music a long while back but it doesn't seem to have appeared anywhere yet. Not directly helpful to your query, but it may eventually appear.
Apparently this has been out for years but I wasn't aware of it until recently. I haven't been able to come across any mention of the book here. I was just wondering if this book is worth reading. Also any suggestions for any other Detroit rock-centric books (beyond books about only The MC5 or only The Stooges).
Thee Oh Sees, Burnt Ones, The Wooden Shjips, Guantanamo Baywatch, The Pack A.D., Boom Chick, The Surf Zombies, The Ramblin' Ambassadors, The Cosmonauts...
Memphis – Bo Diddley Bo Diddley is a Gunslinger – Bo Diddley Hey Bo Diddley – Bo Diddley Old Smokey – Bo Diddley Bo Diddley’s Dog – Bo Diddley
Bo Diddley is a Dead – The Jam Messengers Lucky Day – The Ding Dongs Ding Dong Twist – The Quests Shake That Thing – Hasil Adkins Baptize Me in Wine – Screamin’ Jay Hawkins Chicken, Baby, Chicken – MFC Chicken Psycho Daises – Evil Eyes
Ain’t Gonna Stop – Natural Child Crawlin’ Kingsnake – Roy Head Sundown – El Pathos Sympathy for the Devil – Chris Wilson
Local Lunchbox Big Street Time – Ramma Lamma Like I Do – Sugar Stems Did You Ever – Sugar Stems Mean Mary – Head on Electric
Call Me Trouble – Mighty Fine Leave Me Alone #2 – Esquerita I Was True (But I Won’t Be More) – The Phantom Keys Never Take Me Back – The Jay Vons Everything I Do is Wrong – Reigning Sound
California – The Golden Boys I Will Change Your Mind – The Wrong Words Blind – Two Bit Dezperados
I’ll Give You Everything – The White Wires You’re Gonna Kill That Girl (live) – The Ramones Hangin’ Tuff – Mean Jeans Late Summer Goner – Sonic Avenues Cheater, Cheater – The Vacant Lot
Cigarette – The Shirley MacLaines Derby Crush – The Gay Sportscasters Answer Me Tonight – The Mess Around Baby Please – Guantanamo Baywatch Rock’n’Roll Must Die – Atomic Suplex Brad Cruise – Dusty Mush
Monkey Grip – The Meltdowns Elevator to Later – The Electric Mess When I’m With You – The Alarm Clocks Goblins I – Cyclops Bad Luck – The Primates
Gang War – Gene Maltais Love Me – The Phantom In the Hands of a Madman – Thee Fine Lines Music City USA – Million Sellers Don’t Need Your Lovin’ – Jake Starr & the Delicious Fullness If 6 Was 9 – James Leg & Left Lane Cruiser Fire Up – Dynamite Pussy Club Lookin’ For Someone – The Go Wows
TWO OF THE EARLIEST , AND MOST INFLUENTIAL BOOTS WERE "Live'R' Than You'll Ever Be" ,"European Tour 1969"(Both '69. Close enough.) , I'll try to think of some others , But this LP , LIVE IN PERTH , AUSTRALIA , 1973, only came out a few years ago. I FOUND IT FOR ABOUT $13 OR 15 , AND i KNOW i'VE SEEN IT MORE THAN ONCE , BUT , i DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WERE PRESSED , OFFHAND. I'm sure whoever it is is asking that price because Keef signed it. If he did . I'm just sayin'. I don't know. G. Wood said:
How about this one? Apparently it's rare, I've found only one copy listed for sale anywhere, and it was some crazy figure over $1000--but that one was signed by Keef. I found this one at an estate sale a few months ago. Any info about rarity or desirability appreciated.
