Saw Prima Donna in Brussels two weeks ago, good sound, warm and clear, good energy but very average songs besides one or two plus the singer must have watched Billy Idol's videos during kindergarten and prepuberty, smelled like Sunset spirit a bit too much to my tastes ; Try the Mansfields (from the USA) if you like better songs and attitude; I saw Slade 30 years ago and it was full/on rocknroll from begin to end; Coz I love you; Ivan Holder

haaaaa.  Next time I see my friend I will mention Butt Rock.  love it.

caryn lavender said:

Okay...IMHO...Van Halen = Butt Rock...Poison = Butt Rock...bands with the hair and the spandex and lots of mild rock with chicks crawling on cars in their videos...the song Cherry Pie...all of that to me = Butt Rock...just saying

Okay...IMHO...Van Halen = Butt Rock...Poison = Butt Rock...bands with the hair and the spandex and lots of mild rock with chicks crawling on cars in their videos...the song Cherry Pie...all of that to me = Butt Rock...just saying

Not at all IMHO.  I'd say hard rock.

to throw a kink into the discussion.  A friend and I were trying to pigeon hole Van Halen into a genre - they are not heavy metal, not really a hair band, and he said how about Glam rock and it seemed to work.  Never thought of it that way before.

I just read this thread for the first time and MikeL's orginal post brought up "not the 80's metal bands" so it made me smile after the discussion I just wrote about.  

So what say thee - Van Halen - Glam band?  maybe new world Glam?

I'm surprised this thread still gets replies every now and then.

BTW, I'm off to Cleveland tomorrow to see Prima Donna at a venue called Now That's Class.

Coincidentally, if anyone here is into the Oi thing, my pal Sara and I who I did a glam special with last year are teaming up this week for some Oi and bootboy stompers (Gonads definitely on deck).  Archives are up for 2 weeks, should be fun.

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq256/joanie881/radio/12.jpg

Chris Henniker said:

A lot of the Oi bands were influenced by glam and music hall too, like The Gonads (being from South London, I'm stating the obvious local example). You've reiterated what I said about musical divisions, with kids being into one thing or the other. Football fans dressing up as Alice Cooper or Bowie being indicative of this. As a teenager,  I was an indie kid and my sis liked dance music and early jungle. Perhaps it shows there's no such thing as a typical teenage music.

A lot of indie has an English approach, especially the mod influenced and cutie stuff. No wonder why Go Sailor or anything on Thee SPC doesn't fly in the US.

matthew rosedon said:

Thanks for the responses to my Why glam meant next to nothing in the US query.

Some further thoughts:

The UK has a tradition of camp theatricality from the music hall and the pantomime.  It's often said that the average Englishman can't wait to drag up.  This is reflected in The Kinks, Madness, the Smiths and many others who are quintessentially English in their approach (I know the Kinks enjoyed American success but not in their 'English' period of 1965-71 approx.)  Perhaps this doesn't translate across the Atlantic beyond cult status.  When I think of mainstream US rock of the early 70s names like Lynryd Sknyrnd and the Doobie Brothers spring to mind - music (I use the term loosely) and image as far away from The Sweet and Roxy Music as it's possible to get.  Perhaps good old fashioned prejudice played a part whereby glam was seen as limey faggot music and not rawk.

Like punk a few years after, glam was reaction music - reaction against the grey and dreary 70s that was life in England, and also a reaction against the grey and dreary music of Pink Floyd, Yes etc.  A generation gap was opening up in popular music in the UK where your big brother listened to prog rock and wore an ex-army greatcoat while your kid sister had pictures of Bolan on her bedroom wall and wore glittery make-up.

To ask another question:  Glam rock was teenage music.  If glam meant next to nothing in the US what was a 13 year old listening to in Montana or Massachusetts in 1973?  Did a specific teenage music still exist?

When I saw this on the list it certainly reminded me - I listen to that album so much, in pieces.  You can scare someone playing that album and I will put another vote in.  Imagine a stranger coming to your door with Demolicon or Alcatraz blasting on your speakers.  I am a sucker for garage coming from Peru.  Los Shains are another - love that Anthology.
Renato Carvalho said:

I would have to say Los Saicos' Wildteen Punk From Peru.  It is consistently great from start to finish and their some truly amazing musical and primitive feeling moments in it, especially with the final song "El Entierro Dos Los Gatos."

I would have to say Los Saicos' Wildteen Punk From Peru.  It is consistently great from start to finish and their some truly amazing musical and primitive feeling moments in it, especially with the final song "El Entierro Dos Los Gatos."

And the cover to that Sam the Sham is a scream, too!

If modern-day garage counts (and evidently it does):
I Know You Fine, But How You Doin' - Gories
Blue Dirge - Beguiled
Dear Independence - Blue Van
Live For Buzz - Swingin' Neckbreakers

More sixties gold:
The Remains
I See The Light - Five Americans
Midnight Ride With Paul Revere & the Raiders

Barry, I agree!!!

You may dig my album too 'The Problem With Me'... it's good!

Anything on State Records...especially The Offhooks - Outside Looking In (no vested interest at all!).

90's: Spaceshits-Winter Dance Party, Metros-S/T, Problematics-TheKidsAllSuck, Loli & The Chones- Total Fucking Genocide

00's: The Reds-s/t, Boys Club-S/t, Heartattacks-Here Come The (the Swedish band, not the Atlanta one), Fe Fi Fo Fums- Shake All Night

11's: OBN III's- The One and Only

That all makes sense.  The compilations are more than fair enough compensation for waiting for the next podcast.    

As I've been told, Noise Annoys is on hold because of all the work that goes into the Hideout compilations. And there are at least 3 volumes to come out in the future. So it might take a while still. "One man can only do so much good!" ;)

I can only guess that Lord Muck of the Nasty Grind is busy, busy with his business, based on what he said when I spoke to him a while back.

John..I saw you in the Fu**tones in Glasgow many moons ago...good rockin' gig that night. Played with the 'tones in 91 in Edinburgh at the venue - by this time Chris Harlock was on bass and Phil Arriagada on guitar. 'Twas a great gig, but my memories are kind of spoiled by the fact that Mr P kept trying to trade his pussy paisley tele (or strat) for my '63 English baby blue Phantom (rarer than rocking horse shit BTW, 'tho I didn't know it at the time) and he kept hitting on my girl...so yeah, he's a big headed c**t

Baz

@John - Have you seen the new Fuzztones tour poster? It's bizarre! A graphic of Rudi as a Medusa with every member of the Fuzztones throughout the years in his snake-like hair! Check it out:

Just keep going...it took me forever...but I got there in the end. All the advice so far is good advice. Practice, practice, practice...spend the time on your own perfecting it..and keep it simple.

Don't make it a bigger deal than it already is. First, you will notice that you can feel the vibrations of the guitar in your body, which should help you vocalize a bit. Now start making noise with your mouth, along with every strum or note. Try to match what you are playing on the guitar for now. Practice every day and your ability to do both will rapidly improve.

Yep, practice, that's all you've gotta do. Start by singing small parts of the songs or humming along as you play. And, funny thing, probably the first song that I learned to play and sing simultaneously was Nirvana's version of the Vaselines' song Molly's Lips from the Incesticide album.

this is probably not what you want to hear, but there is no secret.  it just takes practice, like anything else.  start simple, get comfortable with the guitar part you want to play, and then add the vocals.  you should be able to play the guitar part without thinking about it too much.  If you keep at it, it will click.  It took me a while to get the hang of it.  I think the first song I could play and sing simultaneously was About a Girl by Nirvana.  it's only two chords so it was a good one to start with.  if you set your goals to high to begin with it's easy to be discouraged.  hang in there.  you'll get it.  

My band outfit... THE APES PARTY! Our cest hair are natural ;) we're gifted :)

All those are great! Wild records is the shit, the Montesas stuff they put out is rad too - Also Check Ali Gator & His Real Hot Reptile Rockers for some great raw Rock-AH!-Billy!

Joe said:

Here's some Hideout artists I've been listening to lately (highly recommended!):

JJ & The Real Jerks

Wyldlife

Jukebox Zeros

The Love Me Nots

As for good rockabilly, Wild! Records houses all of the best artists in the U.S., particularly Luis and the Wildfires.

Recently played a friends Epiphone SG with P90s and it was pretty goddam sweet! Still quite twangy and open at lower volume/distortion compared to a humbucker. Another 'P90 in a humbucker casing' to consider is the Tonerider Rebel 90:

http://www.tonerider.com/pickups/r90spickups.html

Haven't tried it myself, but it's on my shopping list.