people who don't ask questions often wind up in very bad places. read a history book. we were not dissing shaw. AGAIN!!! just fucking ASKING if  that was indeed his claim. we did not know he made THAT claim. thank you for TELLING us and sharing your knowledge. we do not have any differing knowledge about who coined the phrase. forgive us for being a bit taken aback by that claim. it was new to us.
TK said:

thats exactly what he said. and if you know what he was responsible for, then you know he was telling the truth, too, rest his soul.

if it werent for guys like greg shaw, wed probably all be listening to disco or some shit. do you want us to define that for you, too?

look, those of us who "get it" as joey sez dont need to go around asking each other what "garage" means to us. can you imagine the looks youd get it you went to a gig somewhere and went around asking people what garage music meant to them? youd probably get laughed out of the freakin room.

DEPRAVOS DE LA MOUR said:

so greg shaw says he invented the term?

k

opper we have no knowledge. only questions. you either get it or you don't is about as smug as it gets. it means nothing. it says nothing. it is an insipid cliche. it is a weak finger.
by the way you don't have to delete nasty comments for our sake. We promise not to reply to them and start up shit.
kopper said:

Dude, Mr. Fuckup said it best, you either get it or you don't. You and whoever the hell else you are speaking for. Try giving me that "only we know when we are satisfied" line again... CLASSIC!

I'm still waiting for you to tell us what YOU think "garage music" is.

DEPRAVOS DE LA MOUR said:

kopper . amazing! and YOU are running the asylum. how could a rational intelligent person not  understand why people would want to know what other people think about this music. you really don't see any point in discussing it? that is an astounding admission.

 every fucking person here has a different take on it. you don't want to know about that. please explain why that is of no interest to you.

 

  WE are too weird for you? maybe this should be called the CONSERVATIVE GARAGE PUNK HIDEOUT.

 

  by the way WE have nothing but respect for your achievement here. it is by far the best band oriented site there is. WE also understand that would not have been possible without a single vision. YOUR vision. that don't mean WE agree with everything you do or think. why would you want that? YOU definitely do not know it all anymore than WE do.

 

 

    kopper said:

And why do you keep saying "we"? Are there more than one person's hands typing on your keyboard? Your posts are written as if you're speaking for some group of people or secret society. It's weird. This whole thread has been a great example of ridiculousness. It's really gone nowhere. I don't understand why you keep prodding people and why you need to know what "garage music" means to other people... what does it matter? It's what it means to YOURSELF (yourselves?) that counts. Why not tell us what YOU think it is?

thats exactly what he said. and if you know what he was responsible for, then you know he was telling the truth, too, rest his soul.

if it werent for guys like greg shaw, wed probably all be listening to disco or some shit. do you want us to define that for you, too?

look, those of us who "get it" as joey sez dont need to go around asking each other what "garage" means to us. can you imagine the looks youd get it you went to a gig somewhere and went around asking people what garage music meant to them? youd probably get laughed out of the freakin room.

DEPRAVOS DE LA MOUR said:

so greg shaw says he invented the term?

Dude, Mr. Fuckup said it best, you either get it or you don't. You and whoever the hell else you are speaking for. Try giving me that "only we know when we are satisfied" line again... CLASSIC!

I'm still waiting for you to tell us what YOU think "garage music" is.

DEPRAVOS DE LA MOUR said:

kopper . amazing! and YOU are running the asylum. how could a rational intelligent person not  understand why people would want to know what other people think about this music. you really don't see any point in discussing it? that is an astounding admission.

 every fucking person here has a different take on it. you don't want to know about that. please explain why that is of no interest to you.

 

  WE are too weird for you? maybe this should be called the CONSERVATIVE GARAGE PUNK HIDEOUT.

 

  by the way WE have nothing but respect for your achievement here. it is by far the best band oriented site there is. WE also understand that would not have been possible without a single vision. YOUR vision. that don't mean WE agree with everything you do or think. why would you want that? YOU definitely do not know it all anymore than WE do.

 

 

    kopper said:

And why do you keep saying "we"? Are there more than one person's hands typing on your keyboard? Your posts are written as if you're speaking for some group of people or secret society. It's weird. This whole thread has been a great example of ridiculousness. It's really gone nowhere. I don't understand why you keep prodding people and why you need to know what "garage music" means to other people... what does it matter? It's what it means to YOURSELF (yourselves?) that counts. Why not tell us what YOU think it is?

kopper . amazing! and YOU are running the asylum. how could a rational intelligent person not  understand why people would want to know what other people think about this music. you really don't see any point in discussing it? that is an astounding admission.

 every fucking person here has a different take on it. you don't want to know about that. please explain why that is of no interest to you.

  WE are too weird for you? maybe this should be called the CONSERVATIVE GARAGE PUNK HIDEOUT.

  by the way WE have nothing but respect for your achievement here. it is by far the best band oriented site there is. WE also understand that would not have been possible without a single vision. YOUR vision. that don't mean WE agree with everything you do or think. why would you want that? YOU definitely do not know it all anymore than WE do.

    kopper said:

And why do you keep saying "we"? Are there more than one person's hands typing on your keyboard? Your posts are written as if you're speaking for some group of people or secret society. It's weird. This whole thread has been a great example of ridiculousness. It's really gone nowhere. I don't understand why you keep prodding people and why you need to know what "garage music" means to other people... what does it matter? It's what it means to YOURSELF (yourselves?) that counts. Why not tell us what YOU think it is?

And why do you keep saying "we"? Are there more than one person's hands typing on your keyboard? Your posts are written as if you're speaking for some group of people or secret society, or maybe all of those voices in your head. It's weird. This whole thread has been a great example of ridiculousness. It's really gone nowhere. I don't understand why you keep prodding people and why you need to know what "garage music" means to other people... what does it matter? It's what it means to YOURSELF (yourselves?) that counts. Why not tell us what YOU think it is?

you are right. the question was poorly worded and definitely not clear.  sorry and just forget  the whole thing. we apologize for wasting everyone's time.

joey fuckup said:

Well, maybe you should have titled this discussion "How would you guys define garage"? You said you were not looking for a definition, yet your discussion header clearly was "What is garage music?" Um, so isn't that an invite for people to reply with "definitions"?

DEPRAVOS DE LA MOUR said:

mr fuckup. we were not looking for a definition of garage  music. we are not newcomers to it. as we stated 40 times we are just interested in hearing other peoples "personal" meanings of the term. you can get into some very nasty arguments about what constitutes "real" garage versus "hipster" garage etc ad infinitum. that isn't what we wanted to do. we wanted to find out what people personally think of when the term garage rock is brought up. we did not want to argue. WE JUST WANTED TO LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLES IDEAS!!!! that seems to be a really fucking radical concept around here. don't tell us we should be satisfied with hearing a few ideas. only we know when we are satisfied.

joey fuckup said:

I think you've been pointed in the right direction on where to find "garage" (um, here on the Hideout, the comps, many of the bands on here). Garage can be far reaching on musical borders, so just go listen and see if that gives you a clue. Honestly, with garage (in my opinion), you either "get it" or you don't. Just like a lot of people I am around every day, they don't "get it", and they never will. Instead of trying to "define" and dissecting what garage is, just go see if you "get it". Why is it so important that you need a definition for the term? Just go listen to the music and enjoy it...It really isn't that complicated...

Well, maybe you should have titled this discussion "How would you guys define garage"? You said you were not looking for a definition, yet your discussion header clearly was "What is garage music?" Um, so isn't that an invite for people to reply with "definitions"?

DEPRAVOS DE LA MOUR said:

mr fuckup. we were not looking for a definition of garage  music. we are not newcomers to it. as we stated 40 times we are just interested in hearing other peoples "personal" meanings of the term. you can get into some very nasty arguments about what constitutes "real" garage versus "hipster" garage etc ad infinitum. that isn't what we wanted to do. we wanted to find out what people personally think of when the term garage rock is brought up. we did not want to argue. WE JUST WANTED TO LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLES IDEAS!!!! that seems to be a really fucking radical concept around here. don't tell us we should be satisfied with hearing a few ideas. only we know when we are satisfied.

joey fuckup said:

I think you've been pointed in the right direction on where to find "garage" (um, here on the Hideout, the comps, many of the bands on here). Garage can be far reaching on musical borders, so just go listen and see if that gives you a clue. Honestly, with garage (in my opinion), you either "get it" or you don't. Just like a lot of people I am around every day, they don't "get it", and they never will. Instead of trying to "define" and dissecting what garage is, just go see if you "get it". Why is it so important that you need a definition for the term? Just go listen to the music and enjoy it...It really isn't that complicated...

mr fuckup. we were not looking for a definition of garage  music. we are not newcomers to it. as we stated 40 times we are just interested in hearing other peoples "personal" meanings of the term. you can get into some very nasty arguments about what constitutes "real" garage versus "hipster" garage etc ad infinitum. that isn't what we wanted to do. we wanted to find out what people personally think of when the term garage rock is brought up. we did not want to argue. WE JUST WANTED TO LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLES IDEAS!!!! that seems to be a really fucking radical concept around here. don't tell us we should be satisfied with hearing a few ideas. only we know when we are satisfied.

joey fuckup said:

I think you've been pointed in the right direction on where to find "garage" (um, here on the Hideout, the comps, many of the bands on here). Garage can be far reaching on musical borders, so just go listen and see if that gives you a clue. Honestly, with garage (in my opinion), you either "get it" or you don't. Just like a lot of people I am around every day, they don't "get it", and they never will. Instead of trying to "define" and dissecting what garage is, just go see if you "get it". Why is it so important that you need a definition for the term? Just go listen to the music and enjoy it...It really isn't that complicated...

I think you've been pointed in the right direction on where to find "garage" (um, here on the Hideout, the comps, many of the bands on here). Garage can be far reaching on musical borders, so just go listen and see if that gives you a clue. Honestly, with garage (in my opinion), you either "get it" or you don't. Just like a lot of people I am around every day, they don't "get it", and they never will. Instead of trying to "define" and dissecting what garage is, just go see if you "get it". Why is it so important that you need a definition for the term? Just go listen to the music and enjoy it...It really isn't that complicated...

60s punk is nice. but it would seem to describe only part of the genre.

don't you think the term rock and roll is pretty meaningless today unless you attach a long train of adjectives?

so greg shaw says he invented the term?

TK said:

here's where the term originated (from a Greg Shaw interview). maybe this will help:

This is tricky, because since the late '50s at least one heard about musicians and bands who practiced in garages in the suburbs. In the '80s, metal bands thought they came from the garage. Maybe some of them still do. Then of course there are all the insane new meanings that have been attached to the word by house music and (more recently) world music folks.

Nevertheless, there was a moment in history when I sat down and had a conversation with myself. Guys like me and Lenny and Lester etc had been talking about "punk" in terms of '60s bands since Dave Marsh coined the usage in his Question Mark article in Creem in 1969 (I'm glad that was finally settled!). But by 1976 it was very clear that the word "punk" was going to start meaning something else to a whole lotta people, and as I was actively writing about and working with "'60s punk rock" I felt it would be better to have a less confusing monicker. I decided on "garage rock" and I think I even wrote an essay or a liner note or something explaining why. Thenceforth I used it exclusively in all my efforts.

Of course there are no rules in language. You can say "'60s garage punk" or even "'60s punk" and most people now will know what you mean. But remember that in 1976 there were no Pebbles albums yet, no revival bands, no body of research. All we had was Nuggets, those "artyfacts from the first psychedelic era". So for its time, it was a distinction I felt was useful.

I don't know who if anyone picked up this usage; it was mainly for my convenience, as a historian and also as a marketer of niche products. For all I know a hundred other people had the same soliloquy on the same afternoon. But I remember it clearly.

And that's all I can tell you!

so garage is basically '60s punk. '60s punk was rock and roll bashed out by kids in their parents' garages and basements. it has a certain distinctive sound to it, rawness, amateur, primitive, loud. you get fuzz, distortion, reverb, organ (vox, farfisa, hammond, whatever) plus wild lyrics & vocals. it's the same today. no, it's not as easily "defined" as reggae because it includes a lot of different influences and styles and can sound very different from band to band, but the roots are always there. the beat, the instrumentation, the rawness, etc. it's just rock and roll.

here's where the term originated (from a Greg Shaw interview). maybe this will help:

This is tricky, because since the late '50s at least one heard about musicians and bands who practiced in garages in the suburbs. In the '80s, metal bands thought they came from the garage. Maybe some of them still do. Then of course there are all the insane new meanings that have been attached to the word by house music and (more recently) world music folks.

Nevertheless, there was a moment in history when I sat down and had a conversation with myself. Guys like me and Lenny and Lester etc had been talking about "punk" in terms of '60s bands since Dave Marsh coined the usage in his Question Mark article in Creem in 1969 (I'm glad that was finally settled!). But by 1976 it was very clear that the word "punk" was going to start meaning something else to a whole lotta people, and as I was actively writing about and working with "'60s punk rock" I felt it would be better to have a less confusing monicker. I decided on "garage rock" and I think I even wrote an essay or a liner note or something explaining why. Thenceforth I used it exclusively in all my efforts.

Of course there are no rules in language. You can say "'60s garage punk" or even "'60s punk" and most people now will know what you mean. But remember that in 1976 there were no Pebbles albums yet, no revival bands, no body of research. All we had was Nuggets, those "artyfacts from the first psychedelic era". So for its time, it was a distinction I felt was useful.

I don't know who if anyone picked up this usage; it was mainly for my convenience, as a historian and also as a marketer of niche products. For all I know a hundred other people had the same soliloquy on the same afternoon. But I remember it clearly.

And that's all I can tell you!

The good stuff. :D

I think we got the point here. Garage is an amateur who just plays rock n roll from his heart and the result is just what comes.

Gunther Toody said:

"I don't know about garage but I know what I like,

surfin' in the swamp on a saturday night."

Paraphrased from Lux Interior.

Garage is a bunch of musical neophyte nerds doing their best to sound like the Stones or the Kinks or the Yardbirds (or fill in the blanks with any band that gets poonanny, which is the biggest motivator to start a band) but not quite getting there, yet the result is honest and full of piss, energy and vitriol.

 

thanks mina. we can look up a wiki but we can't look up your mind. is that what you personally think garage to be? (just an aside here that has nothing to do with you but proto and post are probably the two most off putting words in music. they are decidedly UNmusical. again we must say that has nothing to do with you. it was just the appearance of proto that set off a personal alarm) we are all discussing and discussing always includes rambling.

Mina said:

Garage rock is a raw form of rock and roll that was first popular in the United States and Canada from about 1963 to 1967. During the 1960s, it was not recognized as a separate music genre and had no specific name. In the late 1970s, some rock critics retroactively identified it as an early incarnation of punk rock, and it is sometimes called garage punk, protopunk, or 1960s punk; however, the music style has predominantly been referred to as garage rock.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garage_rock

thanks teen fink but what we wanted to know was what everybody thinks it is. not what it is. we are not saying anybody's personal idea of garage is a bad understanding of garage. we are just curious. curious about how people think about a certain kind of music. the reason we are curious is because it is so slippery. much more slippery than soul or even funk. this is in no way a negative discussion. not trying to PROVE anything just INTERESTED!!!! jesus christ.

TeenFink said:

and that's a bad thing? why do we have to have everything all divided up and separated into nice little categories? to be exclusionary? you wanna know what 'garage music' is? it's real RnR. yes, it's that simple. just like what u like and be done with it.

DEPRAVOS DE LA MOUR said:

sorry but we are very hung up about lots of stuff. reggae is instantly recognizable and people do not wonder about whether a band is playing reggae. the same sure ain't the same with garage.

I first got into his stuff with the Bad Times LP, so that's got a special place in my heart. But I'd have to go with the Reatards over the solo stuff. The Lost Sounds is pretty killer too.

   Saw Milt Trenier , last night , at the release party for "Flying Saucers Rock'n'Roll - Best of Roctober Magazine" (Kind of like "The Joy of Sex", you might think it's dated , but you still might learn something.). He's now 81 years old , and still the master showman. The book contains my piece on The Treniers , which is where Rockn'Roll began , make no mistake. Then , I flew outta there to go see The Damned's recital of "Damned Damned Damned" and "The Black Album". This ridiculously early show was well underway when I arrived. In fact , they had almost finished performing their first album , the reason I went in the first place !

Surely , I thought , they'd close the show by playing the early stuff , but , no..... What I did hear sounded right on the money , despite WAY too much bass in the mix (What is this obsession with bass , anyway?) , and Dave Vanian's vocals turned down too low. "1970 (I Feel Allright") "was a highlight , The Captain summoning Ron Asheton's spirit successfully. The band took a break (The DJs played "Do It'' by The Pink Fairies , tho' I heard they were playing BOSTON , earlier.), and came back to do "The Black Album" , which contains great rockers like "Drinking About My Baby" , "Hit or Miss" and that one song that sounds like Killing Joke , BUT the Prog plodded on for WAY too long. I know this is some peoples' favorite Damned album , but , one of these tunes went on for nearly 15 minutes. I was kvetching because I'd missed most of what I came there for (Tho' I had no objection to hearing both.).

The encore - Eloise , Love Song , and I don't remember what else. My friend and I were calling out for the Garage covers they did as Naz Nomad and The Nightmares , "Action Woman" , "Pushin' Too Hard" , whatever.....     Would I recommend you see 'em on this tour ? Hell , yes , despite the somewhat odd pairing , but , get there ridiculously early.

Yeah, they really killed it. Great live band.

Rufus , That's a great name. Great photo , too.

Rufus F. said:

Les Breastfeeders from Quebec.

Les Breastfeeders from Quebec.

Tasty post. My inspection gives a Grade A and my vast playlist of chicken song's seems to find no end!  

swt said:

Just got this Brazilian one-man band's CD today

the ghastly ones ,1313 mokingbird lane ,the horrors (early) etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuatcmILIFo

Puffy Shoes

I don't think they've been posted yet, they are deceptively talented and offer a fair range of ultra lo fi styles with fairly twee lyrics.

If you're into noise, which Boredoms makes me think you might be

Afrirampo

OOlOO

Melt-banana

midori

That's all I can think of right now, sorry if I reposted something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cicrxvivYbQ