I have a tough time with Springsteen's early work only in that it IS a little over my head. But I don't believe that Springsteen was necesarilly selling out when releasing "Born In the USA" just as Nirvana thought they were going to have a modest little seller with "Nevermind". He probably thought that it might do just a little better than "The River" but I don't think he figured it was going to be the monster it was, especially with his anti-Vietnam stance in the lyrics and pro union industry nostalgia in "Glory Days" referring to when America was affordable and good wages were handed out to people who actually loved their jobs and making things that were made right here. It doesn't help the album though that it has the fist waving in the air style drum beat at the top of the album. But I figure he felt he was making a modest album that would appeal to his age group and say something to them. And also he wanted that classic rock (and I mean real classic rock as in a 50s-60s way, not Zep and the Doors) feel with 12 good tunes. Some of it sounds cheesy today but I think it was a decent album. Don't tell anybody that I said that though. What's said in the Hideout stays in the Hideout. MikeL said:

I agree with you on Springsteen. I love "Born to Run" and "Darkness on the Edge of Town," and his first two albums had some real gems, and "The River" was pretty good too, even though it was his first hint of becoming more commercial. "Born in the USA" was not a bad album, but it was definitely his sell out album for the 80s, back when greed became good. I have not been impressed with is new material. Then again, this happens to almost everyone, i.e. living on their past glories.

When it comes to Bruce I always enjoyed Nebraska, the earlier albums are good in a classic rock sorta way. I guess Little Steven's is what it is...I mean if your new to the genre or garage rock in general, you'll be exposed to the heavy hitters or common names...I've heard him play the Ramones, The Jam, The Music Machine, The Count Five, The Kingsmen, The White Stripes, Dirt Bombs, Cramps, Black Lips and so forth....but if you like the local stuff from the 60's or 70's (Bent Wind, Les Sinners, Contents Are, Rocket From The Tombs, Mirrors) or international artists like the Bintangs, the Outsiders, Los Brincos, The Savage Rose, Los Mockers, The Dogs (70's punk band) and so forth... good luck because he doesn't play anything that far out....it's more mainstream stuff for newbies. I guess it's good for a spring board or jumping point. I'm sure his forum will have somewhat of a cold, corporate feel and throw certain unworthy groups a bone or two but whatever...that's today's society.

I agree with you on Springsteen. I love "Born to Run" and "Darkness on the Edge of Town," and his first two albums had some real gems, and "The River" was pretty good too, even though it was his first hint of becoming more commercial. "Born in the USA" was not a bad album, but it was definitely his sell out album for the 80s, back when greed became good. I have not been impressed with is new material. Then again, this happens to almost everyone, i.e. living on their past glories. sleazy said:

Now I have the confirmation I'm on the right website here when it comes to talking exquisite psych and garage. I'm really enjoying ALL the pretty much UNboased ops here by all of you. I assure you, you won't find this rather serene way of commenting on delicate things like psych music on any other music forum/board out there. Psych/garage is NOT for every human ear and brain and commenting on it and on whoever is fostering it (like LS) is a pretty good milestone :). Just one thing about the Boss......I dig his music but I prefer his earlier works and I even like Patti Scialfa a little more that hubby :):):)

KEEP ON:)

Well, one of the things I like about the UG is the way everything is packaged. I'll take a guess your friends prefer no frills garage rock, which I understand, but I like the way LS puts it all together.

Yeah, I actually had a good time at those. Seeing the New York Dolls at one with the Chesterfield Kings. The Zombies at another (now they just tour as Argent and Blunstone), and the Romantics and Shadows of Knight. A lot of my friends thought it was over blown but I thought it was fun. MikeL said:

Are you talking about the Rolling Rock tours? I saw a show from each tour, and I had a great time at all of them. I'm glad you liked them too:)

Oh, Crown of Thorns. That whole situation really bothered me big time. They certainly had no reason being on the show. I don't think it would have been that hypocritical of a tribute to the Cramps. He could have just mentioned that they don't play this band enough and appoligized for it and brought on some "experts" like Miriam Linna to help out. I'm sure she has a record collection that isn't that much different than the one Lux and Ivy had (though probably not as big). Gas-House Gorilla said:

Good points Rod. To be honest, I don’t listen to the syndicated show all that often, but I agree that a guest host is preferable to a recycled show. I also think there is a degree of truth in your “favoritism” comment. Who knows what goes on in selecting the bands he promotes, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t all honorable. While I feel that much of it is based on merit/preference (I do dig what I've heard from both Tinted Windows and Noisettes – and from the new Cheap Trick album for that matter, MikeL), there are certainly other factors with some of the selections. You mentioned one act that has always bothered me – Enuff Z’nuff. The only reason they get any airtime is due to a personal relationship with Little Steven, when they have no genuine business of being played at all. Another UG band that has gotten under my skin lately is Crown of Thorns. I believe there was an initial attempt by Little Steven to create a Hard Rock record label (which is fine by me), and Crown of Thorns was signed at the outset. Well, I guess there weren’t any other unsigned Hard Rock bands out there worthy of promoting, and the whole new label idea fell apart. So what happens now? Crown of Thorns gets over-played and over-promoted to the UG listeners. Anyway, in the overall scheme of things, these transgressions are slight enough to me, and forgivable.

Good point on Lux Interior’s passing as well. I actually find the Cramps underappreciated/underplayed on the station, so perhaps it would have been hypocritical to suddenly showcase them after Lux’s death. Nonetheless, a bit of a tribute would have been nice.

Well, I did kind of say "Fuck Off" when I first started posting on this subject, but since everyone here has actually been pretty courteous, I'll take that back.

I've actually hung out with Michael a few times at various local venues. He can be charming at times, but he can really get under your skin too.

Jo Jo from the Charms told me that these "falling outs" happen all the time, but usually people kiss and make up in the end, although that sounds funny mentioning him since his band parted ways with LS. It's usually an ego problem on both sides, and I'm sure LS is just as full of himself as Gregg. They both like to think of themselves as martyrs to the cause. Plus just about everybody involved in this stuff has a bit of a Peter Pan complex, hence the immaturity mixes in with the egos like sodium and water.

I'm sure there are some other great pop bands out there. Currently, my favorite local band is Takeover UK, and I was hoping that they would get some airplay on the UG, but it look as though it's not going to happen. However, they are getting some airplay on AltNation, and maybe that's just as well, because I think they're a better fit for the channel.

I think it was the fifth or sixth show in which he first played the Cynics, then the following year he started playing the Paybacks and Gore Gore Girls when they were on Get Hip. He also played the Priests and High School Sweethearts just before Gregg ended up on his shitlist. I feel bad for the Priests, because they begged Gregg to sign them just so they could get played on the UG. A local band called the Breakup Society also signed to Get Hip for that same reason, but they never got any airplay either. Looks like it's a good thing that websites such as this exist, to play those bands that LS is either snubbing or ignoring. BTW, he may have deleted those names from the playlists, just out of spite, so maybe that's why you missed them.

Are you talking about the Rolling Rock tours? I saw a show from each tour, and I had a great time at all of them. I'm glad you liked them too:)

I haven't talked to Michael in years except for a moment or two on myspace, but I leave him alone mostly. I don't like what he listens to for enjoyment (he really doesn't listen to bands that are like his). But I've learned my lesson about saying "how can you listen to that stuff". Man, people take it very seriously as if you have hurt their feelings.

But I don't understand all these things about "having a falling out" with people. Cavestomp is a perfect example. Not one mention of the Return of the Sonics at what was probably the most exciting Cavestomp in years since the Monks (of course I went to neither, but I heard great things) but because he can't get his own bands on the bills, he takes it as an insult and totally ignores them. Most people would think of it as "yeah, I understand. No hard feelings. if I can help in other way...."

Though it doesn't look good, like I said, I think playing the Wicked Cool groups is OK simply for the fact that they did come from other places before being on his roster.

Care Bears on Fire are ok. I even sent a friend request on myspace, but then I got a friend request from their OFFICIAL street team and it just is a little too much. I also think there are other pop groups that could use his support instead of Tinted Windows. I can't think of any at the moment but I'm sure there are.

I'm gonna have to take another looke at the playlists because I thought the Cynics didn't make it on until year two but I don't remember.

You have a lot of valid points and I appreciate the respectful way you've presented them and the fact that you didn't call everyone a bunch of jerks for having opposing views.

Hey, he has done a lot of good. He brought groups to the Northwest through his tours that wouldn't come otherwise and I personally like his shows with the circus atmosphere. I just wish he was a little bit more like he was a few years back.

And I listen to everything through his website since the syndicated show in on Saturday nights in our area a day before everywhere else.

Good points Rod. To be honest, I don’t listen to the syndicated show all that often, but I agree that a guest host is preferable to a recycled show. I also think there is a degree of truth in your “favoritism” comment. Who knows what goes on in selecting the bands he promotes, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t all honorable. While I feel that much of it is based on merit/preference (I do dig what I've heard from both Tinted Windows and Noisettes – and from the new Cheap Trick album for that matter, MikeL), there are certainly other factors with some of the selections. You mentioned one act that has always bothered me – Enuff Z’nuff. The only reason they get any airtime is due to a personal relationship with Little Steven, when they have no genuine business of being played at all. Another UG band that has gotten under my skin lately is Crown of Thorns. I believe there was an initial attempt by Little Steven to create a Hard Rock record label (which is fine by me), and Crown of Thorns was signed at the outset. Well, I guess there weren’t any other unsigned Hard Rock bands out there worthy of promoting, and the whole new label idea fell apart. So what happens now? Crown of Thorns gets over-played and over-promoted to the UG listeners. Anyway, in the overall scheme of things, these transgressions are slight enough to me, and forgivable.

Good point on Lux Interior’s passing as well. I actually find the Cramps underappreciated/underplayed on the station, so perhaps it would have been hypocritical to suddenly showcase them after Lux’s death. Nonetheless, a bit of a tribute would have been nice.

Damn sold out, so now I don't regret traveling half way around the world to have seen them last year. Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

The Garage Gods MUST love me. I got my Mummies tic right away. Coming from Washington, I really couldn't chance a door ticket.

The Garage Gods MUST love me. I got my Mummies tic right away. Coming from Washington, I really couldn't chance a door ticket.

Three day passes and individual tickets for the show on Saturday night are sold out! Sectmaniac said:

I believe it. The places are small and the tickets were limited. Which ones are sold out? The 3 day passes or the individual day ones?

I believe it. The places are small and the tickets were limited. Which ones are sold out? The 3 day passes or the individual day ones?

Sold out! What the hell?!

I just noticed the message on my facebook account... Thanks for keeping us posted :)

All right assholes! Listen up! Special weekend passes are available for sale NOW! They are VERY limited so get 'em while they last pendejos! http://www.hookorcrook.com/budgetrock8 There is a 2 ticket MAX! If you try and get more than that, your sale will be cancelled! So don't try it!! GOOD LUCK!! Remember - this will probably be yer last chance to see The Mummies or The Brentwoods!

I never thought I would have a whole global punk community in the palm of my hand. Kids got a great clubhouse hideout here. Mobile app looks good.

Damn, I'm glad I was home today when your announcemrnt came. Just bought an on-line ticket an hour and a half ago. Coming from Washington, I really couldn't chance a door ticket. Sectmaniac said:

I posted ticket sale info this morning. All presale tix are now sold out. Sold out in less than 1 1/2 hours.

There will be 100 door tickets available for Saturday's show.

I posted ticket sale info this morning. All presale tix are now sold out. Sold out in less than 1 1/2 hours.

There will be 100 door tickets available for Saturday's show.

If you ever hear Elvis' version of Milkcow Blues, that riff is going through that version as well though at a very frantic pace. I think Howlin' Wolf took that riff from many of the country versions he heard and slowed it down. Not sure though as he never has been interviewed on that. Gas-House Gorilla said:

Agreed.

The only Link Wray that seems to qualify in any way is Hidden Charms - which is neither an instrumental, nor does it feature Wolfman Jack. It does however showcase Link doing his best Howlin’ Wolf impression. You can throw this track into the thread of Best Cover Songs too. Not only a great cover, but great use of the arrangement from the Kink’s cover of “Milk Cow Blues” (at least I think that's where that arrangement originates – please correct me if I’m wrong).

Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

I still think it's Wolfman by Bobby Fuller Four with Bobby providing the Wolfman vocals.

Agreed. The only Link Wray that seems to qualify in any way is Hidden Charms - which is neither an instrumental, nor does it feature Wolfman Jack. It does however showcase Link doing his best Howlin’ Wolf impression. You can throw this track into the thread of Best Cover Songs too. Not only a great cover, but great use of the arrangement from the Kink’s cover of “Milk Cow Blues” (at least I think that's where that arrangement originates – please correct me if I’m wrong). Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

I still think it's Wolfman by Bobby Fuller Four with Bobby providing the Wolfman vocals.

Thanks for the warning and the link to individual shows. Just bought the Mummies ticket. While the price of the Weekend pass is affordable and generous, I can't afford more than one night staying in San Francisco. I can't wait.

All right assholes! Listen up! Special weekend passes are available for sale NOW! They are VERY limited so get 'em while they last pendejos! http://www.hookorcrook.com/budgetrock8 There is a 2 ticket MAX! If you try and get more than that, your sale will be cancelled! So don't try it!! GOOD LUCK!! Remember - this will probably be yer last chance to see The Mummies or The Brentwoods!