Hmmm... Easy now guys. I think this is healthy discussion to have here. Instead of ignoring the proverbial 300 pound gorilla lets talk about it.
Punk Rock is by definition an anti-establishment, do-it-yourself, honest, unpretentious, rebellious musical and cultural art form. Punk is as old as Rock and Roll itself and it could be argued that Punk is Rock and Roll. Punks have greased back hair and sideburns, Moptops and Beatle Boots, bellbottoms and suede jackets, black leather and sneakers, cut-off shorts and white T-shirts, and have even been known to wear day-glow plastic body suits and funny hats. Regardless of the fashion of the times or labels coined by the media, this 'real Rock and Roll' has always been with us and for some of us this is the only sound/feeling that floats our boat --
When it is rebelling.
When it makes me want to scream.
When my dick gets hard --
When It is in some way related to the original Rock and Roll ethic.
And I think that most of us here have that in common and we are all here to celebrate that noisy, unpopular, unsafe, un-capitalistic, uncompromising musical and (yes) cultural Phenomenon. It's not so easy to say that a song is cool. It is also what's behind it. When you bring up a song like "talk dirty to me" by a band like Poison to a group of people here who have heard the likes of Hasil Adkins, The Stooges, Andre Williams, or The Dead Boys I think that you have an uphill battle trying to convince us that Poison's particular way of talking dirty is pretty cool. So--

Q.Do you also like so called hard rock?????
A. When it's good. (see above for relative criteria)

Yeah thats cool Seriously no worries (hence the smiley face :-) ) You have a real valid point with this discussion though. There's alot more influence from the harder rock background in todays Garage scene than people credit.

Always cool and never offended/offensive
Gra :-)

P.S. Here's another to get people worked up - What are your views on the influence of Goth bands on the Garage of today?

Oh man... I wasn't being argumentative. I'm just saying that Influences are relevant, even if not always cool. For instance, what if someone had posted "What's your favorite Bo Diddley song?" Not garage or punk, but I don't think anyone would bitch.

I didn't say I couldn't see an influence. There's influence from many genres in one Garage tune or another. I stated I couldn't see the relevance! I like to draw from positive influences on the Garage Punk scene and don't like the thought of Metal Heads and/or "Guitar Wankers" (people who do huge lead breaks while pulling cum faces) reuining what it means to me. Maybe I'm just single minded!
I'll stay out of this from now on as I can see that some of you enjoy the "Rockier" side. :-) Piece Out!

Gra Fiend said:

I just can't see a relevance with bands like AC/DC or Gund N Roses to the "garage punk" element of the "hideout ".

Well, I would say that a lot of that good 90s cow punk kinda stuff like Girl Trouble, Rev. Horton Heat, Supersuckers, The Cowslingers, et. al. borrowed pretty heavily from AC/DC. Hellacopters, too. So they're as pertinent as any other influential artist in that sense. GNR were kinda of New York Dolls Lite and would stand as a cautionary tale about how Glam-Rock can go horribly horribly lame....

Yeah don't get me wrong, I understand entirley why people can get a kick out of some these bands (who doesn't like The Ace Of Spades"?). Thing is, when I was growing up and these rock/metal bands appeared, we saw them as a joke rather than anything of any credibilty ( watch them on You-Tube now and it's even funnyer). I just can't see a relevance with bands like AC/DC or Gund N Roses to the "garage punk" element of the "hideout ". Yes I get the Stooges/MC5 link but we wouldn't class them as rock or metel where I live in the UK. :-)

I concur, grew up in the same area & era. Only "hard rock" bands that punks were permitted to like have mostly already been listed here, funny thing is that most of the Heavy Metal types around here in the early 80's hated these bands

Motorhead
Venom
Stooges
MC5


you'd also get a pass later on for:
Hanoi Rocks (maybe not hard rock)
Metallicas 'Kill 'em All' LP

I REST MY CASE....

The first 'Mystery Track' on Sonic Nightmares was The Scorpions. We have also played a track by Status Quo (not Pictures Of Matchstick Men) as well as several '70s/'80s German new wave bands that could easily be called 'hard rock'. Of course this is all part of the "podcast you love to hate" campaign we have been pushing lately. Beat-Man is a total Metal Head, by the way (maybe I shouldn't have said that). So if one of the most respected Trash Punkers in Europe is into this stuff I'm sure there are a lot more here in the Hideout.

Many if not most Garage/Billy/Punk types that I know here in Europe began their musical journeys with Metal. It was the first widely accessible rebel music here in the '80s. Punk was a bit more underground and not so readily available in record stores.

My experience was totally different. I grew up in Orange County, California in the early '80s. The So Cal Punk scene was very big at that time and there were many bands, fanzines, etc. Metal was considered 'Arena Rock' bullshit. Metal kids and Punks never hung out together like you see now (Google Heavy Metal Parking Lot). In fact it was the L.A. Punk scene that introduced me to '60s Punk. I'll never forget that life-changing moment on the Rodney On The Roq radio show when a Black Flag track was followed by The Seeds! So I do understand the knee-jerk reaction when someone brings up Metal especially in these forums.

So, do I like hard rock? Fuck yeah.....
The Stooges
The MC5
DMZ
Thin Lizzy
AC/DC
Motorhead
Grand Funk (that first red album)
Blue Cheer
Black Sabbath (you know which records I mean...)
But if you wanna talk about Poison or Guns n Roses or Whitesnake here, I'm probably not going to be very enthusiastic.


----why do I talk so much???---

i like Motorhead, in fact i just bought their new album MOTORIZER, i also like AC DC and Iron Maiden, early Metallica, early Black Sabbath .

Are we seriously entertaining any of this shit in the Hideout?

i know - then they went soft. whatwave dave said:

Martha said:

old April Wine - great stuff

Early April Wine maybe, the first 3 or so albums had some good songs, but after they became darlings of AM radio in Canada...yech!

Martha said:

old April Wine - great stuff

Early April Wine maybe, the first 3 or so albums had some good songs, but after they became darlings of AM radio in Canada...yech!

old April Wine - great stuff

ok sometimes I'm mad but not to listen to Scorpions.

Yea..its so easy and my michelle. Dig it. But Scorpions "Still Lovin' You" is a classic. Make ya wait for the chorus with multiple bridges and a totally new change ---and then a double chorus??? Cheesy, yet interesting.

kopper said:

No. In fact, I really hate that shit.

You know, I can enjoy the occasional spin of a Motley Crue or Van Halen record as part of a High School flashback. The extended squeaky guitar solos can be kinda miserable, but most of it is solid pop. The stuff I can't stand is the Metallica type stuff. Fuckin' death dirge after death dirge.

I just never understood the appeal of GnR (Axl Rose is a fucking asshole, anyway), Poison, or most of those '80s/'90s hard rock or hair metal bands... there were always just way too cheesy for me to take seriously. About as close to "hard rock" as I get is AC/DC, and that's strictly the early, Bon Scott-era stuff. There are a few other '70s "classic rock" bands that I can tolerate, too, like Cheap Trick, Thin Lizzy, etc., but I don't know if that'd be classified as "hard rock" or not. Generally, though, I heard enough of '70s arena rock while I was growing up to last a lifetime.

I understand...maybe I'm sick!!!!and I'm not saying I like all that stuff...just one song here, that song there...ok I will go to see a doctor, or an exorcist!

No. In fact, I really hate that shit.

Ok I could be totally insane but that "it's so easy" song by the Guns 'n' Roses kicks my ass...oh and also "talk dirty to me" by Poison...

No crazy-like-me here???

Thanks for staying on top of it. Kogar the swinging ape said:

the latest from the norton records email list...

"CRYPT 25TH ANNIVERSARY BASH Please note that this wild swing ding has been postponed from its original October date to accommodate some of the artists’ schedules."

i also heard rumor that dmz will play nyc that weekend, so that's a cool consolation...

the latest from the norton records email list...

"CRYPT 25TH ANNIVERSARY BASH Please note that this wild swing ding has been postponed from its original October date to accommodate some of the artists’ schedules."

Michael Kaiser said:

NOOOOOOOOoooooo!!!

Not the friggin' SNOWMAN! His Rockabilly sides are amongst thee most rippin'!

Yep! I'll miss him. Best dang Tele picker next to Merle Travis or James Burton!