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    • January 14, 2013 7:21 PM CST
    • Ah hell yes!  That was a fun album.  A bit overcompressed, but cool songs.  "Clones" is the one that people sometimes remember, but it's a little bit polarizing with Alice fans.  They either dearly love it or really hate it.  I love it.  "Headlines" was nearly as cool.  And "Nuclear Infected" was pretty fun, too.  There are a few things on that album better left unplayed, though.  

      Thanks to this discussion I've dusted off the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack.  It's all your fault.  Hope you're proud of yourselves.  



      Mike said:

      Alice Cooper "Flush The Fashion" anyone?

    • January 14, 2013 12:42 AM CST
    • It was around when I was in junior high though I guess on it's last legs (77-79), soon to be replaced by "new wave". I heard plenty of it on the radio, school dances etc, but was never moved enough to seek it out and own it, though my brother did give me Rod Stewart "Blondes Have More Fun" picture disc for my new turntable which was his "disco" album, as many other established acts did "disco' albums later to be followed by "new wave" albums (Alice Cooper "Flush The Fashion" anyone?) I was oblivious to it's origins from the gay club scene in NYC because by this time is was so homogenized and mainstream. But what I remember most from that period was being introduced to early Rap & 70's funk, the later which I guess was also part of the genisis of Disco. The school I went to was not diverse at all. Maybe 15 black kids total. My friend Robert Love was from Texas and from a world completely unlike mine. Never heard him play any disco, but he loved to dance and had the moves back then. Instead of Disco, he turned me onto Parliment, Bootsy Collins and also Curtis Blow (mostly by sneaking into his older brother's record collection when he wasn't home) and by turning me onto local radio station KDAY. But as far as Disco, it still really hasn't grown on me, not even as something campy, although I do laugh at that scene from the sitcom Malcom in the Middle when the dad is doing rollerdisco to that song "Rollercoaster" or was it "Funkytown". But I had no qualms cranking up D.O.A.'s song "Disco Sucks" (later to be reborn as New Wave Sucks) when I was turned on to it in 1980. Even that late in the game, TV disco dance shows like "Solid Gold" were still on the air.

      Sorry, this was a pretty long winded answer just to say, naw, not my thing, there's too much good music I haven't heard yet and too little time to spend it listening to Disco.

    • January 13, 2013 6:47 PM CST

    • I like some of the same things you listed just now, Dave, but back then I was a major hater of disco.  I was a working musician who suddenly wasn't working, as weren't most of my contemporaries, because the clubs could just put records on and the patrons were happy.  Why pay a band to play?  It made us very mad.  I refused to see Saturday Night Fever at the time.  Seen it since.  Not bad.  I can listen to enough disco these days to make a good 90 minute playlist, but the four-on-the-floor thing gets very old when there's nothing else making it stand out, and it still feels like a majority of the disco stuff was pretty slick and nondescript.  Then there are songs like "I Feel Love".  Niiice.  It just took me 30 years to get over the grudge.

    • January 13, 2013 3:51 PM CST
    • I listened to Disco in junior high and a bit as an underclassman, well before I was exposed to Punk. The 'Disco Sucks' meme was out there, but even as an 8th grader it seemed pretty bone-headed. Why couldn't you listen to both?

      So I like the slick stuff like Chic (still do) and the mainstream stuff like Sister Sledge and Donna Summers. I also liked the kitschy aspect of it, 'Midnight at the Oasis' or Sun-Radiation Level, or the Village People.

      One of the appealing things about it was that it was so positive. It's kinda hard to explain, not that there was a lot of negativity about, esp. for a kid, but it made you feel good. And it was listened to by Black, White, and Latino, so it didn't divide as the 'Rawk' movement did (all white, pretty much).

      Interestingly enough (but maybe not), even then I was looking for different types of music, so obviously it didn't totally satiate me. But nothing did.

      As more bad Disco came along, I slowly found out about New Wave, and then Punk. Soul and Funk I found out about separately during Punk.

    • January 14, 2013 7:07 PM CST

    • "Up Against The Wall" is a song I loved ages ago and somehow forgot about.  Thanks for the reminder.  Looks like I need to pick up another OhEx album.  

    • January 14, 2013 2:50 PM CST
    • You are correct as regards GG doing "Up Against The Wall" off the fourth ((!)) Ohio Express album. I believe it is on the EP with "No Rules" "NYC Tonight" and "A Fuckup." I had no idea it was a cover until years later, when i picked up the "Mercy" album and was like...HEYYYYyyy!!!!

    • January 14, 2013 1:27 PM CST
    • I think even GG Allin did "Up Against The Wall" by Ohio Express, when he was with the Jabbers. The JAMC were also indebted to bubblegum pop, just with more feedback (no, make that loads more feedback).

    • January 13, 2013 8:27 PM CST
    • I'M AMAZED NO ONE HAS SAMPLED "I CAN FEEL YOUR HEARTBEAT" (THO MAYBE THEY HAVE. I TRY NOT TO FOLLOW STUFF THAT SUCKS. IT JUST FOLLOWS ME) , BUT , IT'S GOT THAT STONE COLD FUNK GUITAR (WAKKA TAKKA ! WAKKA TAKKA ! LOVE !LOVE ! CAN''T YOU FEEL MY HEARTBEAT? WAKKA TAKKA WAKKA TAKKA)......"CRAZY HORSES" HAS BEEN WIDELY COVERED , WITH GOOD REASON , IT'S THE SHIT !!!

      TANK (NWOBHM band with Algy Ward , ex- Damned) , DEMENTED ARE GO , SENSATIONAL ALEX HARVEY BAND
       , AND EVEN SOME BAND ON WAX TRAX DID IT (BUT I DON'T FOLLOW STUFF THAT SUCKS. THE RECORD STORE WAS FANTASTIC , THE UNBELIEVABLY OVERRATED LABEL IS NOT.). I'm not a huge Partridge Family fan , but , I admit they had some good tunes. Even the REAL faux Partridge Family (Pre - David Cassidy and Shirley Jones involvement) are perfectly passable wanabee Cowsills Sunshine Pop.

       


      DJ Johnson said:

       

      Yep, Redd Kross did a cover of Crazy Horses when they were putting Third Eye together.  There's a release (probably unofficial) called Third Eye Demos that has the track.  I got an MP3 of the song off a website someone attached to Redd Kross was running way back when.  Love their covers.  Especially "Dancing Queen" and "Pretty Please Me".  

      Bubblegum is my semi-guilty pleasure.  I was just the age they were aiming at when a lot of it first came out in 1969.  Still love The Archies and 1910 FGC (and even got to see them in concert opening for The Monkees, though who the hell knows who was actually in the "band" that night), Ohio Express, a lot of the one hit wonders and, most of all, The Cowsills.  Something about them always made me very happy.  And "Mr. Flynn" was a pretty great tune I still have to hear often.  I even like The Partridge Family, which makes a lot of people assume I wear a foil hat.  I know most of the stuff released by that faux band falls under the category of light pop or even easy listening, but there are some great gum tracks mixed in ("I Can Feel Your Heartbeat" being my fave).  I mix questionable stuff into my gum playlists, but to me it fits.  Stuff like Blondie, Bonnie Hayes & The Wild Combo, Go-Go's, etc.  



      Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

      I think "Crazy Horses" was also done by Redd Kross but I'm not sure.

    • January 13, 2013 6:38 PM CST
    • Yep, Redd Kross did a cover of Crazy Horses when they were putting Third Eye together.  There's a release (probably unofficial) called Third Eye Demos that has the track.  I got an MP3 of the song off a website someone attached to Redd Kross was running way back when.  Love their covers.  Especially "Dancing Queen" and "Pretty Please Me".  

      Bubblegum is my semi-guilty pleasure.  I was just the age they were aiming at when a lot of it first came out in 1969.  Still love The Archies and 1910 FGC (and even got to see them in concert opening for The Monkees, though who the hell knows who was actually in the "band" that night), Ohio Express, a lot of the one hit wonders and, most of all, The Cowsills.  Something about them always made me very happy.  And "Mr. Flynn" was a pretty great tune I still have to hear often.  I even like The Partridge Family, which makes a lot of people assume I wear a foil hat.  I know most of the stuff released by that faux band falls under the category of light pop or even easy listening, but there are some great gum tracks mixed in ("I Can Feel Your Heartbeat" being my fave).  I mix questionable stuff into my gum playlists, but to me it fits.  Stuff like Blondie, Bonnie Hayes & The Wild Combo, Go-Go's, etc.  



      Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

      I think "Crazy Horses" was also done by Redd Kross but I'm not sure.

    • January 13, 2013 4:04 PM CST
    • Fuck, yeah! The Ramones could be called a bubblegum group, covering Indian Giver, and they had those beats.

      Also, there's that Ohio band that did the Standells 'Try It'.

      So many of the original punks remember that stuff from their childhood, it stuck with them.

      There's a band now called Pink Filth who do all of that stuff, but put it through effects/pitch shifter boxes. LP is 17 Bubblegum Smashes, plus 1 45 where they sing the lyrics of 'Convoy' to the tune of  'Funky Cold Medina'. (useless trivia: they have a found-noise band called Crevice Worship. TMI?).

      And the Queers and any band that came after them may have put too much bubblegum into their stuff.

    • January 14, 2013 5:04 PM CST
    • Well, it depends on who's playing as well. Beat Bespoke is coming soon. March 28-31. Frowning Clouds and the Strypes are playing. The other bands don't really tickle my fancy (Corner Shop??). Purple Weekend is in November or December. I'm more partial to Spain anyway (seeing that I'm not welcome in Britain without a huge hassle). Let me know if you go to León I might be there this year.


      Shtbird said:

      Only festivals I can possibly go to this year are Le Beat Bespoke or Purple Weekend. Too busy to be able to take time off April-November, when the majority of festies happen. Still, I'm gunna try my best to make Ponderosa Stomp.
      Any recommendations on which of the two to go to? Don't really want to dish out the cash to fly to Europe two times, but I'm lucky enough to to have family to stay with/reason to visit in Spain/Switzerland. Figure if I try for Le Beat, I can buy a cheap ticket to London (I hear March + April are cheapest to fly to Europe). On the flip side, I'm already pretty fluent in Spanish, y me voy a encantar un otra ves para practicar/otra lugar para conocer.

      And who knows? Maybe I can scrounge the dough for both.

    • January 13, 2013 9:28 PM CST
    • Only festivals I can possibly go to this year are Le Beat Bespoke or Purple Weekend. Too busy to be able to take time off April-November, when the majority of festies happen. Still, I'm gunna try my best to make Ponderosa Stomp.


      Any recommendations on which of the two to go to? Don't really want to dish out the cash to fly to Europe two times, but I'm lucky enough to to have family to stay with/reason to visit in Spain/Switzerland. Figure if I try for Le Beat, I can buy a cheap ticket to London (I hear March + April are cheapest to fly to Europe). On the flip side, I'm already pretty fluent in Spanish, y me voy a encantar un otra ves para practicar/otra lugar para conocer.

      And who knows? Maybe I can scrounge the dough for both.

    • January 14, 2013 2:55 PM CST
    •  I want that....the jukebox...oh..and the album. vinyl. now....  

    • January 14, 2013 11:56 AM CST
    • FIDLAR. Fuck It Dog, Life's A Risk.

      It ain't often when ya see a band who practices what they preach. Luckily, ain't that hard if all you're trying to do is get fucked up and have a good time. This 4 piece out of LA is aggressive, sloppy, and fun as fuck. After several badass EPs (DUIDIY, No Waves/No Ass, Chinese Weed) these punks landed a LP with Mom & Pop records. From start to finish, the album is packed with chaotic anthems for every alcoholic who likes to raise hell. Songs like "Cheap Beer", (I. drink. cheap. beer. so. what. fuck. you.), "No Waves", and "Wake Bake Skate" beg to be played over and over again. My personal favorite is "5 to 9"; short and sweet. There's even a noisy rendition of the folk classic "Cocaine Blues" as a closer, rhyming couplets and all.

      These Surf/Garage Punx may of had a beer too many, but fuck all if they can't still hold their own. Rock 'n roll ain't dead, just really drunk and kinda stoned. Be sure to pick up a 24 rack and this album on Jan 22. Don't be a dick and pirate leaks like me. These guys deserve it.
      Check 'em out on bandcamp, or catch them live if you can. (I hear they're a blast)

      -Shtbird

    • January 14, 2013 11:31 AM CST
    • Hear the January 13th Show here:
      http://cjamlog1.cjam.ca/mp3dirnew/381-The_Trip-20130113-0030-t1358037000.mp3

      The setlist:

      THE DIRTBOMBS - START THE PARTY 
       
      KING KHAN AND THE SHRINES - THREE HAIRS AND YOU'RE MINE 
      THE COBRAS - I WANNA BE YOUR LOVE 
      REIGNING SOUND - REPTILE STYLE 
      THE BOYS - COBRA 
      FOUR SOUNDS - MAMA UBANGI BANGI 
      THE IKETTES - CAMEL WALK 
      JAN DAVIS - THE TIME FUNNEL 
      TELEVISION PERSONALITES - I KNOW WHERE SYD BARRETT LIVES 
      THE WHO - COBWEBS AND STRANGE 
       
      DAVY JONES & THE LOWER THIRD-  DO ANYTHING YOU SAY 
      LES FLEUR DES LYS-  WAIT FOR ME 
      BIG MAMA THORNTON - HOUND DOG 
      LINK WRAY-  JACK THE RIPPER 
       
      LITTLE RICHARD - IT AIN'T WHATCHA DO 
      KEELY SMITH & LOUIS PRIMA - PEPPERMINT TWIST 
      WES DAKUS & THE REBELS-  DOG FOOD 
      EARL KING - TRICK BAG 
      JACK HAMMER - WIGGLING FOOL 
      CHARLES "MAD DOG" SHEFFIELD - ROCK AND ROLL TRAIN 
       
      NICK AND THE JAGUARS-  ICI BON #1 
      JOHN ZACHERLE-  DUMMY DOLL 
       
      THE SAVAGES - ROSES ARE RED MY LOVE 
      THE STANDELLS - WHY PICK ON ME?
      THE RATIONALS-  I NEED YOU 
      THE ZOMBIES - STICKS AND STONES 
      GRINGO STAR-  BEATNIK ANGEL GEORGIE 
      THE FONDAS-  WILD MAN ON THE LOOSE 
      LEONARD NIMOY-  AMPHIBIOUS ASSAULT 

    • January 14, 2013 8:52 AM CST
    • It was our Christmas present to ourselves and we are really enjoying it so far.  More of a reference book than an actual straight read, but the articles and photos are great.

    • January 13, 2013 1:41 PM CST
    • YES!  I got mine back in September and I really love it and what i love most is that Mike put so much time into it that you the reader never has to play guessing games again.  It's that good.  the only thing I can think that bothers me is that Canadian groups aren't covered even though they end up on BAck From the Grave and Teenage Shutdowns sometimes.

    • January 14, 2013 4:38 AM CST
    • Here is the complete list of everyone mentioned in the two threads, along with a few I added, over 300 in all: 

       

      68 Comeback

      A-Bones

      Action Swingers

      Hasil Adkins

      Dave Agulair

      The Alarm Clocks

      Dave Allen and the Arrows

      GG Allin & the Murder Junkies

      Randy Alvey and the Green Fuz

      American Soul Spiders

      Antiseen

      Armitage Shanks

      Archie & the Pukes

      The Artisans

      Lester Bangs
      Bantam Rooster

      The Barons

      The Barracudas

      Bassholes

      Paul Bearer and the Hearsemen

      The Beasts of Burbon

      The Beguiled

      BellRays

      The Beguiled

      Berlin Brats

      Chuck Berry

      The Bevis Frond

      The Birthday Party

      The Black Lips

      Bob Log III

      The Bomboras

      Boss Hogg

      Boys From Nowhere

      The Brides

      The Brood

      Bunker Hill

      The Candy Snatchers

      Captain Beefheart

      Dean Carter

      Cheater Slicks

      The Chesterfield Kings

      Billy Childish/Thee Milkshakes/Thee Mighty Ceasars

      The Chimney Sweeps

      Alex Chilton

      Chinese Millionares

      The Chocolate Watch Band

      Clone Defects

      Chrome Cranks

      Claw Hammer

      Fred Cole

      Stud Cole

      Color Me Psycho

      The Compulsive Gamblers

      Cosmic Psychos

      Count Bishops

      The Count Five

      The Country Teasers

      The Cowslingers

      The Cramps

      The Creation

      The Creeps

      Dave Crider

      The Customs

      The Cynics

      Thee Daggermen

      The Damned

      Kenny Daniel

      Ronnie Dawson

      The Dead Boys

      Dead Moon

      The Dead Milkmen

      Death of Samantha

      Deja Voodoo

      Demolition Doll Rods

      Demotrons

      Derelicts

      The Detroit Cobras

      The Devil Dogs

      Bo Diddley

      The Didjits

      The Dirtbombs

      The Dirty Loves

      The Dirtys

      DMZ

      Les Dogs

      Don & the Goodtimes

      Doo Rag

      Downliners Sect

      The Drags

      The Drones

      The Droogs

      The Dummies

      The Dwarves

      The Eastern Dark

      The Elites

      Electric Frankenstein

      The Electric Prunes

      The Evil

      The Fall Outs

      The Fatals

      The Fe Fi Fo Fuours Plus 2

      The Fells

      Fireworks

      The Five Canadians

      The Flamin’ Groovies

      The Flaming Stars

      The Flat Duo Jets

      The Fleshtones

      Fortune and Maltese

      Kim Fowley

      Frumious Bandersnatch

      The Fuzztones

      Gallon Drunk

      Gas Huffer

      Gasolheads

      Tim Gassen

      Gaunt

      Gibson Brothers

      Girl Trouble

      Gonn

      The Gories

      The Groupies

      Guitar Wolf

      The Gravedigger V

      The Gruesomes

      The Guess Who

      Guilty Pleasures

      Gun Club

      Halo of Flies

      Hara Kee Rees

      The Hardons

      Jimmy Harold

      The Hatepinks

      The Haunted

      Hawkwind

      The Hellacopters

      The Hives

      The Homewreckers

      Daryl Hopper

      The Horrors

      The Humpers

      The Hunches

      The Inhalants

      The Intelligence

      Cordell Jackson

      Wanda Jackson

      Lee Joseph

      July

      Hans Kasteloo

      Lenny Kaye

      The Keggs

      King Khan & the Shrines/ King Khan & BBQ

      King Uszniewicz and the Uszniewicztones

      The Kinks

      The Konks

      Larry & the Bluenotes

      The Lazy Cowgirls

      The Leaves

      The Legendary Stardust Cowboy

      Miriam Lina & Billy Miller

      The Little Biys

      Adrian Lloyd

      The Lollipop Shoppe

      The Loons

      Lost Sounds

      Love/Arthur Lee

      James Lowe

      Greg Lowery

      The Lyres

      MAD3

      Magnetix

      The Make-Up

      The Makers

      Man or Astro Man?

      The Masonics

      The MC5

      Legs McNeil  & John Holstrom

      The Meteors

      Midnight Movies

      Milano/the Leather Boy

      The Milkshakes

      The Miracle Workers

      The Michelle Gun Elephant

      The Modern Lovers

      The Monks

      The Mono Men

      The Monsters

      The Montells

      The Moony Suzuki

      The Moorats

      Johnny Moped

      The Morlocks

      Motorcycle Boy

      The Motards

      Mouse & the Traps

      The Movie Star Junkies

      The Moving Sidewalks

      Mudhoney

      The Muffs

      The Mummies

      The Murder City Devils

      The Music Machine/Shawn Bonniwell

      MX-80

      Naked Raygun

      The Necessary Evils

      The Neurotic Swingers

      The New Bomb Turks

      The New York Dolls

      Night Kings

      Nights and Days

      Nipple Erectors/The Nips

      Nobody’s CHildren

      The Oblivians

      Terry Ork

      The Outsiders

      The Pagans

      The Pandoras

      Rudi Petrudi

      Phantom Surfers

      Plan 9

      The Pleasure Fuckers

      The Pleasure Seekers

      Poison 13

      The Pretty Things

      Paul Pierce

      Plasticland

      The Priests

      The Prisoners

      Prisonshake

      Rudi Protudii

      Pussy Galore

      PVC

      The Q65

      Russell Quan

      ? and the Mysterians

      Radio Birdman

      The Ramones

      Rare Breeds

      The Raunch Hands

      The Real Kids

      The Reatards/Jay Reatards

      Reigning Sound

      The Remains

      Paul Revere & the Raiders

      Rocket From the Tombs

      Rev.  Beat Man

      Ron Rimsite

      The Rip Offs

      Rocket 555

      Leland Rogers

      The Rolling Stones

      The Royal Pendletons

      Los Saicos

      The Saints

      Sam the Sham & the Pharoahs

      The Sateliters

      Jan Savage

      The Scientists

      The Seeds/Sky Saxon

      Sex Museum

      Sexareenos

      The Shadows of Knight

      Los Shains

      Greg Shaw

      The Shitty Beatles

      The Sinister Six
      Sir Douglas Quintet

      Sirens

      The Slickee Boys

      Slobs

      Sons of Hercules

      The Sonic Rendezvous Band

      The Sonics

      The Spaceman 3

      The Spaceshits

      Jon Spencer Blues Explosion

      Mike Spencer

      The Spits

      The Splash 4

      The Standells

      Jack Starr

      The Statics

      Mike Stax

      The Stoics

      The Stooges

      STP

      Supercharger

      Supersnazz

      The Supersuckers

      Screaming Lord Sutch

      The Swamp Rats

      The Swingin’ Neckbreakers

      T. Rex

      Teengenerate

      The Tell Tale Hearts

      Tev Falco

      Thanes

      Marty Thau

      Third Bardo

      13th Floor Elevators/Roky Erickson

      Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments

      Les Thugs

      Johnny Thunders & the Heartbreakers

      The Trashmen

      The Trashwomen

      The Troggs

      Turbonegro

      Marcus Tybalt

      The Ugly Ducklings

      The Unclaimed

      Unrelated Segments

      Untamed Youth

      The Untold Fables

      The Urges

      The Velvet Underground

      The Vipers

      The Von Zippers

      Vulcan Detective Agency

      The Wailers

      Travis Wammack

      Tim Warren

      Waste Kings

      Danny Waugh

      The Weeds

      Shane White

      The White Stripes

      The Wild Mammouths

      The Wildebeasts

      Wildfang

      Willie the Wild One

      Andre Williams

      Wimple Witch

      The Woggles

      Link Wray

      Los Yorks

      Zachary Thaks

      Zeke

    • January 14, 2013 2:11 AM CST
    • I had a similar thread here a few years ago with 9 pages full of nominations. 

      And I think it should be in Tacoma. We could get some cheap real estate and they could use the tourism. Plus weed is legal in Washington now.

    • January 13, 2013 8:06 PM CST
    • I don't know if they are "stoner rock." I've been told they sound better when stoned though. Explosions in the Sky are amazing.

    • January 13, 2013 5:43 PM CST
    • The Voodoo Idols' song about The Cramps was"Temptation".

      Know who the first known artist was to reference The Cramps in a song ? Joe Jackson ("The Evil EYE ,1980.).
       
      John Battles said:

      Yeah , I first heard "Love Me" on the superior UK comp , "Off The Bone"....I have'nt heard too many bands that had the chutzpah to take it on , now.....The Bananamen /Stingrays , Moondogs ....Robert Gordon lifted one line from it , Cramps style , on "Too Fast To Live , Too Young To Die "  . But , Axel is right on two counts - That this is about covers of Cramps songs , And that it's hard for people  to separate the originals from the covers , or songs they lifted the hubcaps from to create their own songs. Good artists borrow , great artists steal.

      On the other hand , The Cramps have been accused of lifting from songs that only sound similar , just not similar enough e.g. "New Kind Of Kick" resembles "He's Waitin' by The Sonics , just , not enough . Ditto for The Tune Rockers' "Green Mosquito" and "Human Fly". Ivy said they had'nt even heard the song , yet , when they wrote  their signature tune.

      Anyway - Crookshanks : Naked Girl Falling Down The Stairs.

      That's one , I can think of others , but The Jehovah's Witnesses woke me up at 10:30 ,this (Saturday) morning.

      Here's a few songs about The Cramps -

      Alan Vega - Kid Congo    ( I apologize for mispelling Kid's last name , earlier. It's  actually spelled "Tristan". ).

      Voodoo Idols - Forgot the name of the song ....Will look it up.

      Gun Club - For The Love of Ivy.

    • January 13, 2013 2:42 PM CST
    • These guys introduced me to real R&B, which I am glad they did. I saw them at Blackheath Concert Halls and they were excellent, as they were at the Great British Beer Festival too.

    • January 13, 2013 10:50 AM CST
    • I stumbled on this when researching fuzz and, to my ears, the FZ-1A nails the "Satisfaction" sound almost as much as the original FZ-1 Keef used...

      Maestro Fuzz comparisons

      I'd never heard of NORTH EFFECTS until this post but the pedal AND prices look great... though I don't get why the Primitive only has one sound clip (what with it being more expensive than the Rite which gets like 5+. Not to mention that 1 sound clip doesn't sound majorly like Satisfaction, Valleri, Keep On Running, etc territory.

      I'll either get the Rite or take a chance on the Primitive.