let's set it up! what city? memphis? chicago? tacoma? san fran? nyc? boston? austin?

who would you nominate? what bands or musicians do you think BEST exemplify the trashy sounds, punk demeanor, bad reputations, stupidest (yet genius) lyrics, lo-fi approach, and thee most primitive sounds eminating from their beatup, retro gear??????

i would like to offer up the first nominee: THE MUMMIES!

They say it's all been done , it's all been heard , too. I say do wakka do wakka do wakka do.

I'd go with this, especially Gallon Drunk, The Kinks, The Monks, MC5, GG Allin, The Sonics, Billy Childish, Chuck Berry, Link Wray....There's a rich seam worth mining, you still come up with great stuff after thirty years.

ted cogswell said:

Here is the complete list of everyone mentioned in the two threads, along with a few I added, over 300 in all: 

 

68 Comeback

A-Bones

Action Swingers

Hasil Adkins

Dave Agulair

The Alarm Clocks

Dave Allen and the Arrows

GG Allin & the Murder Junkies

Randy Alvey and the Green Fuz

American Soul Spiders

Antiseen

Armitage Shanks

Archie & the Pukes

The Artisans

Lester Bangs
Bantam Rooster

The Barons

The Barracudas

Bassholes

Paul Bearer and the Hearsemen

The Beasts of Burbon

The Beguiled

BellRays

The Beguiled

Berlin Brats

Chuck Berry

The Bevis Frond

The Birthday Party

The Black Lips

Bob Log III

The Bomboras

Boss Hogg

Boys From Nowhere

The Brides

The Brood

Bunker Hill

The Candy Snatchers

Captain Beefheart

Dean Carter

Cheater Slicks

The Chesterfield Kings

Billy Childish/Thee Milkshakes/Thee Mighty Ceasars

The Chimney Sweeps

Alex Chilton

Chinese Millionares

The Chocolate Watch Band

Clone Defects

Chrome Cranks

Claw Hammer

Fred Cole

Stud Cole

Color Me Psycho

The Compulsive Gamblers

Cosmic Psychos

Count Bishops

The Count Five

The Country Teasers

The Cowslingers

The Cramps

The Creation

The Creeps

Dave Crider

The Customs

The Cynics

Thee Daggermen

The Damned

Kenny Daniel

Ronnie Dawson

The Dead Boys

Dead Moon

The Dead Milkmen

Death of Samantha

Deja Voodoo

Demolition Doll Rods

Demotrons

Derelicts

The Detroit Cobras

The Devil Dogs

Bo Diddley

The Didjits

The Dirtbombs

The Dirty Loves

The Dirtys

DMZ

Les Dogs

Don & the Goodtimes

Doo Rag

Downliners Sect

The Drags

The Drones

The Droogs

The Dummies

The Dwarves

The Eastern Dark

The Elites

Electric Frankenstein

The Electric Prunes

The Evil

The Fall Outs

The Fatals

The Fe Fi Fo Fuours Plus 2

The Fells

Fireworks

The Five Canadians

The Flamin’ Groovies

The Flaming Stars

The Flat Duo Jets

The Fleshtones

Fortune and Maltese

Kim Fowley

Frumious Bandersnatch

The Fuzztones

Gallon Drunk

Gas Huffer

Gasolheads

Tim Gassen

Gaunt

Gibson Brothers

Girl Trouble

Gonn

The Gories

The Groupies

Guitar Wolf

The Gravedigger V

The Gruesomes

The Guess Who

Guilty Pleasures

Gun Club

Halo of Flies

Hara Kee Rees

The Hardons

Jimmy Harold

The Hatepinks

The Haunted

Hawkwind

The Hellacopters

The Hives

The Homewreckers

Daryl Hopper

The Horrors

The Humpers

The Hunches

The Inhalants

The Intelligence

Cordell Jackson

Wanda Jackson

Lee Joseph

July

Hans Kasteloo

Lenny Kaye

The Keggs

King Khan & the Shrines/ King Khan & BBQ

King Uszniewicz and the Uszniewicztones

The Kinks

The Konks

Larry & the Bluenotes

The Lazy Cowgirls

The Leaves

The Legendary Stardust Cowboy

Miriam Lina & Billy Miller

The Little Biys

Adrian Lloyd

The Lollipop Shoppe

The Loons

Lost Sounds

Love/Arthur Lee

James Lowe

Greg Lowery

The Lyres

MAD3

Magnetix

The Make-Up

The Makers

Man or Astro Man?

The Masonics

The MC5

Legs McNeil  & John Holstrom

The Meteors

Midnight Movies

Milano/the Leather Boy

The Milkshakes

The Miracle Workers

The Michelle Gun Elephant

The Modern Lovers

The Monks

The Mono Men

The Monsters

The Montells

The Moony Suzuki

The Moorats

Johnny Moped

The Morlocks

Motorcycle Boy

The Motards

Mouse & the Traps

The Movie Star Junkies

The Moving Sidewalks

Mudhoney

The Muffs

The Mummies

The Murder City Devils

The Music Machine/Shawn Bonniwell

MX-80

Naked Raygun

The Necessary Evils

The Neurotic Swingers

The New Bomb Turks

The New York Dolls

Night Kings

Nights and Days

Nipple Erectors/The Nips

Nobody’s CHildren

The Oblivians

Terry Ork

The Outsiders

The Pagans

The Pandoras

Rudi Petrudi

Phantom Surfers

Plan 9

The Pleasure Fuckers

The Pleasure Seekers

Poison 13

The Pretty Things

Paul Pierce

Plasticland

The Priests

The Prisoners

Prisonshake

Rudi Protudii

Pussy Galore

PVC

The Q65

Russell Quan

? and the Mysterians

Radio Birdman

The Ramones

Rare Breeds

The Raunch Hands

The Real Kids

The Reatards/Jay Reatards

Reigning Sound

The Remains

Paul Revere & the Raiders

Rocket From the Tombs

Rev.  Beat Man

Ron Rimsite

The Rip Offs

Rocket 555

Leland Rogers

The Rolling Stones

The Royal Pendletons

Los Saicos

The Saints

Sam the Sham & the Pharoahs

The Sateliters

Jan Savage

The Scientists

The Seeds/Sky Saxon

Sex Museum

Sexareenos

The Shadows of Knight

Los Shains

Greg Shaw

The Shitty Beatles

The Sinister Six
Sir Douglas Quintet

Sirens

The Slickee Boys

Slobs

Sons of Hercules

The Sonic Rendezvous Band

The Sonics

The Spaceman 3

The Spaceshits

Jon Spencer Blues Explosion

Mike Spencer

The Spits

The Splash 4

The Standells

Jack Starr

The Statics

Mike Stax

The Stoics

The Stooges

STP

Supercharger

Supersnazz

The Supersuckers

Screaming Lord Sutch

The Swamp Rats

The Swingin’ Neckbreakers

T. Rex

Teengenerate

The Tell Tale Hearts

Tev Falco

Thanes

Marty Thau

Third Bardo

13th Floor Elevators/Roky Erickson

Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments

Les Thugs

Johnny Thunders & the Heartbreakers

The Trashmen

The Trashwomen

The Troggs

Turbonegro

Marcus Tybalt

The Ugly Ducklings

The Unclaimed

Unrelated Segments

Untamed Youth

The Untold Fables

The Urges

The Velvet Underground

The Vipers

The Von Zippers

Vulcan Detective Agency

The Wailers

Travis Wammack

Tim Warren

Waste Kings

Danny Waugh

The Weeds

Shane White

The White Stripes

The Wild Mammouths

The Wildebeasts

Wildfang

Willie the Wild One

Andre Williams

Wimple Witch

The Woggles

Link Wray

Los Yorks

Zachary Thaks

Zeke

Also , Gene Vincent and The Blue Caps , Eddie Cochran and Johnny Burnete and The Rock'n'Roll Trio. Punk is just Heavy Cochran.
 
John Battles said:

wow. I might add Richard and The Young Lions ,  The Leather Boy (Not to be confused with The Motorcycle Boy or that other band with the same name. .), THE C*NTS , The Waste Kings , Lithium Xmas , Third Bardo , Dirty Wurds , Johnny Legend , Jesse Hector , Brownsville Station , Eater , Destroy All Monsters , Los Teen Tops , Los Locos Del Ritmo , Los Camisas Negras , Slade , Third World War , Johnny Hallyday (Psych phase.) , The Pets (Venezuela) , Death (Detroit) ,  Purple Image , Shadows of Knight , Neanderthals , Five Americans , Charlie Feathers , Herbie Duncan , Three Souls in My Mind , Mickey Lee Lane , Bobby Lee Trammel , Andy Starr , Lurkers , Dr. Feelgood , Little Bob Story , (Count) Bishops , Cannibals , Kim Fowley , Orphan Egg , Blue Cheer  , Peyote Cowboys   , Nervous Eaters , Spiders/Nazz/Alice Cooper Group , anyway , lots of others. Thank you for compiling this list......

The Shitty Beatles rose from the ashes of Garage Echo , a worse than obscure Dallas Garage / Surf band. They stuck it out for a couple of years , doing sloppy Nuggets  , Elvis , and , yes , Beatle covers , along with a plethora of catchy and hilarious originals. They were over 30 and wore hornrim glasses years before that would get you laid. The local scene was ageist and Led Zeppelin  hair - ist. Even Horton Heat had to bust his ass to build a local following , being 27 , with hair slowly thinning . Key members , Jack Turlington and Cap'n Brewkid , joined up with French Acres (Late of Avant Garage confrontationalists , The Norvells , whose singer , Sally Norvell , later formed Congo Norvell with Kid Congo Powers. She is the reason The Shitty Beatles were mentioned in "Wayne's World".).

Wildfang's hard - to - find LP , produced by Paul Marotta of The Mirrors and The Styrenes , comes recommended. I found it peeping out of the front of a box of Gay Dance 12"s in a thrift store.

wow. I might add Richard and The Young Lions ,  The Leather Boy (Not to be confused with The Motorcycle Boy or that other band with the same name. .), THE C*NTS , The Waste Kings , Lithium Xmas , Third Bardo , Dirty Wurds , Johnny Legend , Jesse Hector , Brownsville Station , Eater , Destroy All Monsters , Los Teen Tops , Los Locos Del Ritmo , Los Camisas Negras , Slade , Third World War , Johnny Hallyday (Psych phase.) , The Pets (Venezuela) , Death (Detroit) ,  Purple Image , Shadows of Knight , Neanderthals , Five Americans , Charlie Feathers , Herbie Duncan , Three Souls in My Mind , Mickey Lee Lane , Bobby Lee Trammel , Andy Starr , Lurkers , Dr. Feelgood , Little Bob Story , (Count) Bishops , Cannibals , Kim Fowley , Orphan Egg , Blue Cheer  , Peyote Cowboys   , Nervous Eaters , Spiders/Nazz/Alice Cooper Group , anyway , lots of others. Thank you for compiling this list......

The Shitty Beatles rose from the ashes of Garage Echo , a worse than obscure Dallas Garage / Surf band. They stuck it out for a couple of years , doing sloppy Nuggets  , Elvis , and , yes , Beatle covers , along with a plethora of catchy and hilarious originals. They were over 30 and wore hornrim glasses years before that would get you laid. The local scene was ageist and Led Zeppelin  hair - ist. Even Horton Heat had to bust his ass to build a local following , being 27 , with hair slowly thinning . Key members , Jack Turlington and Cap'n Brewkid , joined up with French Acres (Late of Avant Garage confrontationalists , The Norvells , whose singer , Sally Norvell , later formed Congo Norvell with Kid Congo Powers. She is the reason The Shitty Beatles were mentioned in "Wayne's World".).

Wildfang's hard - to - find LP , produced by Paul Marotta of The Mirrors and The Styrenes , comes recommended. I found it peeping out of the front of a box of Gay Dance 12"s in a thrift store.

Here is the complete list of everyone mentioned in the two threads, along with a few I added, over 300 in all: 

 

68 Comeback

A-Bones

Action Swingers

Hasil Adkins

Dave Agulair

The Alarm Clocks

Dave Allen and the Arrows

GG Allin & the Murder Junkies

Randy Alvey and the Green Fuz

American Soul Spiders

Antiseen

Armitage Shanks

Archie & the Pukes

The Artisans

Lester Bangs
Bantam Rooster

The Barons

The Barracudas

Bassholes

Paul Bearer and the Hearsemen

The Beasts of Burbon

The Beguiled

BellRays

The Beguiled

Berlin Brats

Chuck Berry

The Bevis Frond

The Birthday Party

The Black Lips

Bob Log III

The Bomboras

Boss Hogg

Boys From Nowhere

The Brides

The Brood

Bunker Hill

The Candy Snatchers

Captain Beefheart

Dean Carter

Cheater Slicks

The Chesterfield Kings

Billy Childish/Thee Milkshakes/Thee Mighty Ceasars

The Chimney Sweeps

Alex Chilton

Chinese Millionares

The Chocolate Watch Band

Clone Defects

Chrome Cranks

Claw Hammer

Fred Cole

Stud Cole

Color Me Psycho

The Compulsive Gamblers

Cosmic Psychos

Count Bishops

The Count Five

The Country Teasers

The Cowslingers

The Cramps

The Creation

The Creeps

Dave Crider

The Customs

The Cynics

Thee Daggermen

The Damned

Kenny Daniel

Ronnie Dawson

The Dead Boys

Dead Moon

The Dead Milkmen

Death of Samantha

Deja Voodoo

Demolition Doll Rods

Demotrons

Derelicts

The Detroit Cobras

The Devil Dogs

Bo Diddley

The Didjits

The Dirtbombs

The Dirty Loves

The Dirtys

DMZ

Les Dogs

Don & the Goodtimes

Doo Rag

Downliners Sect

The Drags

The Drones

The Droogs

The Dummies

The Dwarves

The Eastern Dark

The Elites

Electric Frankenstein

The Electric Prunes

The Evil

The Fall Outs

The Fatals

The Fe Fi Fo Fuours Plus 2

The Fells

Fireworks

The Five Canadians

The Flamin’ Groovies

The Flaming Stars

The Flat Duo Jets

The Fleshtones

Fortune and Maltese

Kim Fowley

Frumious Bandersnatch

The Fuzztones

Gallon Drunk

Gas Huffer

Gasolheads

Tim Gassen

Gaunt

Gibson Brothers

Girl Trouble

Gonn

The Gories

The Groupies

Guitar Wolf

The Gravedigger V

The Gruesomes

The Guess Who

Guilty Pleasures

Gun Club

Halo of Flies

Hara Kee Rees

The Hardons

Jimmy Harold

The Hatepinks

The Haunted

Hawkwind

The Hellacopters

The Hives

The Homewreckers

Daryl Hopper

The Horrors

The Humpers

The Hunches

The Inhalants

The Intelligence

Cordell Jackson

Wanda Jackson

Lee Joseph

July

Hans Kasteloo

Lenny Kaye

The Keggs

King Khan & the Shrines/ King Khan & BBQ

King Uszniewicz and the Uszniewicztones

The Kinks

The Konks

Larry & the Bluenotes

The Lazy Cowgirls

The Leaves

The Legendary Stardust Cowboy

Miriam Lina & Billy Miller

The Little Biys

Adrian Lloyd

The Lollipop Shoppe

The Loons

Lost Sounds

Love/Arthur Lee

James Lowe

Greg Lowery

The Lyres

MAD3

Magnetix

The Make-Up

The Makers

Man or Astro Man?

The Masonics

The MC5

Legs McNeil  & John Holstrom

The Meteors

Midnight Movies

Milano/the Leather Boy

The Milkshakes

The Miracle Workers

The Michelle Gun Elephant

The Modern Lovers

The Monks

The Mono Men

The Monsters

The Montells

The Moony Suzuki

The Moorats

Johnny Moped

The Morlocks

Motorcycle Boy

The Motards

Mouse & the Traps

The Movie Star Junkies

The Moving Sidewalks

Mudhoney

The Muffs

The Mummies

The Murder City Devils

The Music Machine/Shawn Bonniwell

MX-80

Naked Raygun

The Necessary Evils

The Neurotic Swingers

The New Bomb Turks

The New York Dolls

Night Kings

Nights and Days

Nipple Erectors/The Nips

Nobody’s CHildren

The Oblivians

Terry Ork

The Outsiders

The Pagans

The Pandoras

Rudi Petrudi

Phantom Surfers

Plan 9

The Pleasure Fuckers

The Pleasure Seekers

Poison 13

The Pretty Things

Paul Pierce

Plasticland

The Priests

The Prisoners

Prisonshake

Rudi Protudii

Pussy Galore

PVC

The Q65

Russell Quan

? and the Mysterians

Radio Birdman

The Ramones

Rare Breeds

The Raunch Hands

The Real Kids

The Reatards/Jay Reatards

Reigning Sound

The Remains

Paul Revere & the Raiders

Rocket From the Tombs

Rev.  Beat Man

Ron Rimsite

The Rip Offs

Rocket 555

Leland Rogers

The Rolling Stones

The Royal Pendletons

Los Saicos

The Saints

Sam the Sham & the Pharoahs

The Sateliters

Jan Savage

The Scientists

The Seeds/Sky Saxon

Sex Museum

Sexareenos

The Shadows of Knight

Los Shains

Greg Shaw

The Shitty Beatles

The Sinister Six
Sir Douglas Quintet

Sirens

The Slickee Boys

Slobs

Sons of Hercules

The Sonic Rendezvous Band

The Sonics

The Spaceman 3

The Spaceshits

Jon Spencer Blues Explosion

Mike Spencer

The Spits

The Splash 4

The Standells

Jack Starr

The Statics

Mike Stax

The Stoics

The Stooges

STP

Supercharger

Supersnazz

The Supersuckers

Screaming Lord Sutch

The Swamp Rats

The Swingin’ Neckbreakers

T. Rex

Teengenerate

The Tell Tale Hearts

Tev Falco

Thanes

Marty Thau

Third Bardo

13th Floor Elevators/Roky Erickson

Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments

Les Thugs

Johnny Thunders & the Heartbreakers

The Trashmen

The Trashwomen

The Troggs

Turbonegro

Marcus Tybalt

The Ugly Ducklings

The Unclaimed

Unrelated Segments

Untamed Youth

The Untold Fables

The Urges

The Velvet Underground

The Vipers

The Von Zippers

Vulcan Detective Agency

The Wailers

Travis Wammack

Tim Warren

Waste Kings

Danny Waugh

The Weeds

Shane White

The White Stripes

The Wild Mammouths

The Wildebeasts

Wildfang

Willie the Wild One

Andre Williams

Wimple Witch

The Woggles

Link Wray

Los Yorks

Zachary Thaks

Zeke

I had a similar thread here a few years ago with 9 pages full of nominations. 

And I think it should be in Tacoma. We could get some cheap real estate and they could use the tourism. Plus weed is legal in Washington now.

 DIG ME HARD , mIKE , I WAS'NT TRYING TO PUT AN ALL - ENCOMPASSING LABEL ON TENPOLE TUDOR. THAT WOULD'NT BE FAYRE...I MEAN , FAIR. BUT IF THEY / HE DID ANYTHING THAT COULD BE LABELLED "PSYCHOBILLY" , I MISSED IT. YOU'RE RIGHT , THO' ADAM ANT TRIED TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR, DRAWING FROM HISTORICALLY INACCURATE SOURCES (NICE ONE !) ....BUT, BRITAIN COULD BE BEST SERVED IF WE ALSO REMEMBER FREAKBEAT , EARLY PSYCH , THE TROGGS , PRETTY THINGS , DOWNLINERS SECT , SCREAMING LORD SUTCH , AND PROTO PUNK , LIKE THE DEVIANTS , THIRD WORLD WAR , STACKWADDY  , JESSE HECTOR IN GENERAL , AND THE PINK FAIRIES, TO NAME A FEW....
Mike Humsgreen said:

I think Tenpole Tudor was just fun, putting it in a box like Celtic or olde English makes it sound like he was taking it too seriously! But I would say any hall of fame would need to be different based on geographical locations. So for instance New York would have a garage rock hall of fame completely different to Detroit.

The UK would have a hall of fame that would see more British invasion type stuff along with the glam punk, and I would put Tenpole Tudor in with them. Maybe he wasn't quite like the Addicts but then Adam and the Ants was doing a similar thing about historically inaccurate highwaymen.

John Battles said:

I was going to mention Hasil. His APPROACH was Garage Punk , even if his music was wild Rockabilly. It's also true of Cordell Jackson , the Mother of D.I.Y. . Do people consider Tenpole Tudor "Psychobilly"? Seems he was around before The Meteors , Guana Batz , Demented Are Go , etc. , were happening. He was into this Celtic/Olde English thing that's very interesting. Bloodshot Bill , again , rare , non - pussy Rockabilly , but, arguably Garage Punk in approach.

I'll throw the Beguiled into the mix. A fucking great band.

I think Tenpole Tudor was just fun, putting it in a box like Celtic or olde English makes it sound like he was taking it too seriously! But I would say any hall of fame would need to be different based on geographical locations. So for instance New York would have a garage rock hall of fame completely different to Detroit.

The UK would have a hall of fame that would see more British invasion type stuff along with the glam punk, and I would put Tenpole Tudor in with them. Maybe he wasn't quite like the Addicts but then Adam and the Ants was doing a similar thing about historically inaccurate highwaymen.

John Battles said:

I was going to mention Hasil. His APPROACH was Garage Punk , even if his music was wild Rockabilly. It's also true of Cordell Jackson , the Mother of D.I.Y. . Do people consider Tenpole Tudor "Psychobilly"? Seems he was around before The Meteors , Guana Batz , Demented Are Go , etc. , were happening. He was into this Celtic/Olde English thing that's very interesting. Bloodshot Bill , again , rare , non - pussy Rockabilly , but, arguably Garage Punk in approach.

I was going to mention Hasil. His APPROACH was Garage Punk , even if his music was wild Rockabilly. It's also true of Cordell Jackson , the Mother of D.I.Y. . Do people consider Tenpole Tudor "Psychobilly"? Seems he was around before The Meteors , Guana Batz , Demented Are Go , etc. , were happening. He was into this Celtic/Olde English thing that's very interesting. Bloodshot Bill , again , rare , non - pussy Rockabilly , but, arguably Garage Punk in approach.

Silver Apples and Suicide ,to me ,fall under the banner of "Electronic music that does'nt suck"

Were they still active ( THE LATE , GREAT , Cub Koda WAS KING USZNIEWICZ , AND tHE WIGGINS SISTERS DON'T SEEM INTERESTED IN REFORMING, THOUGH , TWO OF THEM DID , ONCE.) , King Uszniewicz vs. The Shaggs would be the ultimate Battle of The Worst Rock'n'Roll Bands . Don't get me wrong , love 'em both.

Deja Voodoo are hilarious. They sound liek a Cramps bootleg , almost. They did a "REUNION" WITH bLOODSHOT BILL FILLING IN ON DRUMS.

EATER JUST HAD A ONE OF A KIND SOUND....yES , IT WAS pUNK , BUT , WHERE DO YOU PLACE IT?   Classifying Esquerita is difficult , too , but , he's definitely an Artist from the 50's who fucked shit UP! ( He recorded and released records in the 60's , too.).

Stooges speak for themselves , but, you're on to something , here.  It's not just one group or style.

Old School Division; Hasil Adkins, King Unzebewicz, The Shaggs, Esqueritta, The Stooges, The Silver Apples

Old School Punk Division; Eater, The Germs (first cassette), Beastie Boys (first ep), DRI, The Mentors, Suicide

Neo Garage Division; Mummies, Bloodshot Bill, Deja Voodoo, Old Skull, Transylvania 5000

Psychobilly Division; King Kurt, Tenpole Tudor, Frenzy

MORE PEOPLE USED TO SAY "60's Punk" Than they do , now , I think....But , that confused younger people living on a steady diet of HC or 70's Punk. The "Garage Punk Unknowns " tag did'nt confuse me , but , Warren started that series before the phrase began to mean more to people than 60's Punk or 80's bands trying to play it (Some succeeding.). I can see where it would throw people off , now , but the band photos made it pretty obvious what was inside. It was'nt like the "Ear - Piercing Punk" comp with the misleading 70's Punk graphics. It's a great 60's Garage collection. Warren made it clear that he dug the 70's Punk bands , but was selective about it. In the liners to "Grave 7" he stressed The Ramones' (Then understated) importance , and that he'd release rarities by The Lurkers , Users , Sex Pistols ,etc., if he could get the rights. I think his comps , then were a hardsell.

I heard putting"100% PSYCHOTIC REACTION" ON THE COVER OF A"GRAVE " COMP WAS HIS WAY OF APPEALING TO THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR , PEOPLE WHO'D ONLY HEARD ANY OF THIS STUFF ON OLDIES RADIO , BACK WHEN YOU COULD ACTUALLY HEAR "NUGGETS" TYPE SONGS  ON THOSE STATIONS , WHICH WAS'NT A BAD THING AT ALL .

If only he included the word "and" between "garage" and "punk"...everything would be peachy keen!

 
kopper said:

I would pretty much completely agree with you, Tyler, except for the fact that Tim Warren screwed things up when he released "Garage Punk Unknowns" that was all '60s garage stuff. Bastard. No wonder we're confused!
 

I would pretty much completely agree with you, Tyler, except for the fact that Tim Warren screwed things up when he released "Garage Punk Unknowns" that was all '60s garage stuff. Bastard. No wonder we're confused!

Tyler said:

Maybe i"m not old enough to have a real opinion on this (so none of this might not make any sense)...

But the only reason I can see someone calling a 60's band "garage punk" is because both the "garage" and "punk" terms have been associated retrospectively with those bands. Personally, I find lumping those two words together to describe a band FROM the 60's makes things really confusing when it is also used to describe a band like NewBombTurks.  For me, a band like say, the Seeds, is simply "60's punk" or "60's garage".

So, when I immediately think of the word "garage punk" I think of bands influenced by  60's punk AND the 70's sound....bands from the 80's to present who took influences from both "punk" eras, like the Rip Off records sound for example.
 At the same time though, I also think "garage punk" can be associated with specific bands from the late 70's punk era that were heavily influenced by 60's punk, like DMZ or the Saints....who at the same time, were also influenced by the  sound currently around them.

So in conclusion, when I see the word "punk" WITHIN the term "garage punk", I think of the  Post-Ramones Punk sound of the 70's.  When I see the word "garage" WITHIN the term "garage punk", it's referring to the garage rock (60's punk) sound of the 60's.

 I can only do these  "hall of fame infamy" lists in my head if I go decade by decade.

 ohn Battles said:

 To most people , I think , Garage PUNK or Rock means a lot of things.
 

Maybe i"m not old enough to have a real opinion on this (so none of this might not make any sense)...

But the only reason I can see someone calling a 60's band "garage punk" is because both the "garage" and "punk" terms have been associated retrospectively with those bands. Personally, I find lumping those two words together to describe a band FROM the 60's makes things really confusing when it is also used to describe a band like NewBombTurks.  For me, a band like say, the Seeds, is simply "60's punk" or "60's garage".

So, when I immediately think of the word "garage punk" I think of bands influenced by  60's punk AND the 70's sound....bands from the 80's to present who took influences from both "punk" eras, like the Rip Off records sound for example.
 At the same time though, I also think "garage punk" can be associated with specific bands from the late 70's punk era that were heavily influenced by 60's punk, like DMZ or the Saints....who at the same time, were also influenced by the  sound currently around them.

So in conclusion, when I see the word "punk" WITHIN the term "garage punk", I think of the  Post-Ramones Punk sound of the 70's.  When I see the word "garage" WITHIN the term "garage punk", it's referring to the garage rock (60's punk) sound of the 60's.

 I can only do these  "hall of fame infamy" lists in my head if I go decade by decade.

 ohn Battles said:

 To most people , I think , Garage PUNK or Rock means a lot of things.
 

I agree: less is more.

I would, if I were setting up a "garage punk hall of infamy", stick to the bands that were the raunchiest, most subversive, and notorious (in both sound, appearance, and/or demeanor).

LOL! oh man, sounds complicated. let's not take this too seriously, 'k?

Ken said:

Before the discussion list explodes with everybody throwing in their two cents...  What about using google docs or something to set up an actual nomination form?  That way we could easily count up entries/noms and maybe set up a few categories

I would be willing to host it on my website.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD THINK IT MALICIOUS OF YA. I INTERVIEWED CHRIS BRITTON FROM THE TROGGS. HE SAID THE DRAG PART OF DOING CABARET (OLDIES SHOWS , TO MY  COUNTRYMEN.) WAS  ''THE " BLUE RINSE BRIGADE" THAT COME TO SEE GERRY MARSDEN , AND PILE ALL THEIR WALKERS AND ZIMMER FRAMES LIKE SO MUCH SCAFFOLDING IN FRONT OF THE FIRE EXITS ''. I KNEW WHAT HE MEANT , BUT , WE DON'T SAY "ZIMMER FRAME" IN THE STATES , SO IT WENT OVER MY HEAD FOR A MINUTE.
 
Mike Humsgreen said:

Hmm on second thoughts sorry to anyone who uses disabled spaces, that was a bad joke.

Well , these were just some of the first names that came to mind. I don't think I getting that far outside of the box. I think , most people believe that "Garage Punk" or "Garage Rock" (  I first heard the terms being used more than 30 years ago.) began with the thousands of mid-60's teen bands , some of whom had hits , mutating into the 70's Punk bands (Maybe some of them do , and others don't , fall under that banner.) , the early 80's Garage Revival , the 90's Garage Revival and Garage Punk scenes (Like the bands you mentioned. Some were more 70's , and even 80's - influenced. Some people say Punk Garage , instead , because the 60's influence in many - not all -  of those bands is less apparent.), and still mutating  to this day. I would'nt dedicate a huge wing to the 50's ,  if , in some better world , the museum became a reality  , but , I would'nt ignore the bands and individual artists that had a direct effect on that stuff ,either.
The first KNOWN use of the word "Punk" to describe a musical genre , in a magazine , was by Dave Marsh , reviewing a Question Mark gig in 1971. Story of Pop in The UK RAN AN ARTICLE JUST CALLED"PUNK ROCK" IN '72 OR 73 (?) , referring to mid -60's US Garage bands , well known and not so much.But , The Encyclopedia of Rock (ca. 1969 or 70.)by Ellie Coxon  (sic) also referred to "Punk Rock" , but meaning Alice  Cooper , The Sabs , even Bloodrock. Greg Shaw , Bomp! and Pebbles , too , no doubt , had a hand in it , as did Lenny Kaye , who also used the phrase in the liners to "Nuggets" in '72. To most people , I think , Garage PUNK or Rock means a lot of things.
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opper said:

The problem with these things, if you ask me, is once you start including bands, then you start including their influences and pretty much any band or artist that somehow falls under wild rock'n'roll gets lumped in with "garage punk." There's too much crossover between good ol' rock'n'roll and garage rock and garage punk and whatever else you wanna call this noise we all dig. Now, if you ask me (again, ha!), the title of this thread says it all: Garage-Punk Hall of Infamy. Which bands were "from the garage" (or had that "sound") and then combined that with punk attitude? While I think punk has obvious roots in the '60s (and even '50s), ya gotta remember that it wasn't called that back then, and it wasn't until the '70s that bands started being called (or calling themselves) "punk" and then "garage punk" came even later than that (thanks to Tim Warren, I think). Retrospectively, you can look back at the recorded output of lots of bands and say, yeah, ya know, the Sonics, Monks, Link Wray, Seeds, all of that stuff is essentially punk rock... even though at the time it was just called rock'n'roll or teen music. Bands of the '80s garage revival... the rowdier ones, anyway, were the first to really combine garage AND punk and make it into its own distinct style or subgenre of rock'n'roll, which is where the Mummies, Oblivians, Cynics, Guitar Wolf, Stomachmouths, New Bomb Turks, Teengenerate, the Devil Dogs, Thee Mighty Caesars/Headcoats and so on fit into this. And notice, too, that he used the word "Infamy" and not "Fame"... what's infamy? Having a reputation for something that's viewed as evil or bad. Not for being "famous" (which has always been my problem with the "Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame"... a lot of the greatest rock'n'roll acts were never all that famous, sad but true).

Not sure where I'm going with this, but it's interesting nonetheless. I guess some of those acts that you recommended, John, while I agree are all fantastic, I just don't think all of them fall under this sort of category unless you really start opening the floodgates, ya know?

Decisions, decisions. Infamy? I'd say The Cramps, The Velvet Underground, The 13th Floor Elevators, Captain Beefheart (as much for being a bastard to work with as any great music he put out), The Birthday Party, Gallon Drunk, JSBX, Bob Log III, GG Allin (more hardcore, but he's so bad he's good).

I'm thinking of the most challenging, provocative, confrontational, outfits of their time. Either because they were sleazy, nihilistic, putting out music that was weird & outre or all three. If not that, anything that gave them some degree of notoriety. If you want infamy, you've got it.

 

Hmm on second thoughts sorry to anyone who uses disabled spaces, that was a bad joke.

Well you've named the big American cities, but what about a bit further east? London's an obvious one, Liverpool of course ;-) see other thread. Hamburg and 80s Matchbox B Line Disaster alone is enough to put Brighton on the garage map.

And although in the grand scheme of things the Ruhrgebiet could be flattened and no one would notice the cultural void left. I would still put Essen and co as garage cities for that reason. Because although little gets made here someone needs to listen to this shit. And well there must be like 5 million people in a region that seems like one big disabled car park!  You don't get more primitive than that.

The problem with these things, if you ask me, is once you start including bands, then you start including their influences and pretty much any band or artist that somehow falls under wild rock'n'roll gets lumped in with "garage punk." There's too much crossover between good ol' rock'n'roll and garage rock and garage punk and whatever else you wanna call this noise we all dig. Now, if you ask me (again, ha!), the title of this thread says it all: Garage-Punk Hall of Infamy. Which bands were "from the garage" (or had that "sound") and then combined that with punk attitude? While I think punk has obvious roots in the '60s (and even '50s), ya gotta remember that it wasn't called that back then, and it wasn't until the '70s that bands started being called (or calling themselves) "punk" and then "garage punk" came even later than that (thanks to Tim Warren, I think). Retrospectively, you can look back at the recorded output of lots of bands and say, yeah, ya know, the Sonics, Monks, Link Wray, Seeds, all of that stuff is essentially punk rock... even though at the time it was just called rock'n'roll or teen music. Bands of the '80s garage revival... the rowdier ones, anyway, were the first to really combine garage AND punk and make it into its own distinct style or subgenre of rock'n'roll, which is where the Mummies, Oblivians, Cynics, Guitar Wolf, Stomachmouths, New Bomb Turks, Teengenerate, the Devil Dogs, Thee Mighty Caesars/Headcoats and so on fit into this. And notice, too, that he used the word "Infamy" and not "Fame"... what's infamy? Having a reputation for something that's viewed as evil or bad. Not for being "famous" (which has always been my problem with the "Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame"... a lot of the greatest rock'n'roll acts were never all that famous, sad but true).

Not sure where I'm going with this, but it's interesting nonetheless. I guess some of those acts that you recommended, John, while I agree are all fantastic, I just don't think all of them fall under this sort of category unless you really start opening the floodgates, ya know?

I'd be hard pressed to nominate too many newer acts. The  Jeffrey Evans honorary mention was was real class. But , if The Oblivions , Gories , and other contemporaries of his would eventually all be nominated , then Jeff shouldget full honors.

Since they should have been in the so -called Rock Hall 25 years ago , I'd have to  nominate Paul Revere and The Raiders , and , as longas I'm thinkin' Northwest (Which is probably where such a Hall might well reside. We used to call stuff like The Sonics "Grunge Rock" before the movement using that name sprang up.) , Tha Wailers is where I'd begin , then move on to tHE KINGSMEN , Don and The Goodtimes , and many lesser knowns.

Other nominees for location might include Chicago (Hey , we had a HUGE scene for this stuff , even if virtually no one cares , anymore.) , Dallas/Ft.Worth (Ditto. Tho' the "Teen A Go Go  FILM MUST NOT ESCAPE YOUR RADAR.), AND , i DUNNO , A BUNCH OF OTHERS.

I would induct , if it were only in my power , Fred Cole , Roky Erickson , Sky Saxon , Question Mark , Kenny Daniel ,  Sean Bonniwell , James Lowe , Arthur Lee , Dave Aguilar , their bands , their friends' bands, and many more that none of 'em ever met.....

Link Wray , OF COURSE , takes top honors. As does Davie Allan and Travis Wammack.

Far lesser knowns like Milan/The Leather Boy , Dean Carter , Jack Starr , Donny B. Waugh , Stud Cole , Swamp Rats , Nobody's Children , Third Bardo and a zillion others deserve some kind of placement , too.

As far as more recent stuff , I'd say Fortune and Maltese , The Brood , The Woggles , Royal Pendletons , Cynics , Sons of Hercules , Sirens , Waste Kings , Loons , and even the original Shitty Beatles (Dallas , mid - 80's.).