Drinking and Thinking don't go hand in hand but thanks everybody who's helping me out here.  I'm also using Kopper's old Wayback Machine lists but I am having trouble remembering who was knew and what wasn't. Heh : )

Yeah let us know when the book is done.  I'd like to say something about that in the facebook group I'm in about Musicians standing up against the pay to play practice which spills over into the "bands have to sell tickets in order to play" practice.
 
Daniel M said:

Yeah, your description of the Olympia scene is the type of thing I'm thinking about. And ideally the book will allow people in the scene to get some sense of differences among scenes and for people outside the scene, who are interested in uses of space, to get some understanding of alternatives to more mainstream music industry practices (advance ticket sales, profits from beer sales, etc.).

Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

Oh, allright. I didn't get it at first.  Yeah, a book about the experiences would be great.  I lived in Olympia, WA during the late 80s and early 90s and I thought that scene ruled.  We either found spaces to rent, or someone would put something together at their house either in their living room or basement.  We also had the Evergreen State College and bands would set up in the dorms to play.  It was where people witnesses early performances by Nirvana, Screaming Trees, Fitz of Depression, and Bikini Kill.  It was so much fun.
 
Daniel M said:

PM is private message. I'll sen you a note, John.

I'm not working on a book that is a listing of places (akin to BYOFL or DODIY). Instead, this will be more narrative-focused. If you've read Stephen Duncomb's book about fanzines, that could be somewhat similar or the My First Show book.

Evergreen was in the middle of nowhere so we could get past noise complaints.  There were some Apts across the street but they couldn't hear as across the street was like a couple of acres away.   Parties never got shut down in the city either for that matter.

 
John Battles said:

Yes , even tho' I always thought people could have the option of turning it down , or turning it off....But , it never seemed to go that way. And , at least where I went to school , Frats could pull any kind of shit they wanted. Some were'nt as bad about that as others , but , they could be loud , obnoxious, violent. That was OK , they were'nt dressing "Punk" or "Hippie" (Both of which had lost their shock value CENTURIES before being replaced by those flannel shirts K-Mart used to sell , 3 for $10.).

Personally , I think a book like this could be very interesting. We should be supportive.

 dave said:

Hey, thanks Rod, I'd forgotten about that thing. Just looked it up:

Book Your Own Fuckin' Life

www.byofl.org/

"Don't forget to leave feedback. If you leave comments, people can know what's up. There is no more print version of Book Your Own Life, and there won't be one."

To add to John's input, I was at one of those hippie/diy houses in about '94, listening to a punk band. This was on the outskirts of town, and it *still* got shut down by the cops.

Maybe it's an attitude thing. Police don't like punky lookin' kids being loud, but if Young Republican types do the same thing, it seems to be OK with the powers-that-be.

Yes , even tho' I always thought people could have the option of turning it down , or turning it off....But , it never seemed to go that way. And , at least where I went to school , Frats could pull any kind of shit they wanted. Some were'nt as bad about that as others , but , they could be loud , obnoxious, violent. That was OK , they were'nt dressing "Punk" or "Hippie" (Both of which had lost their shock value CENTURIES before being replaced by those flannel shirts K-Mart used to sell , 3 for $10.).

Personally , I think a book like this could be very interesting. We should be supportive.

 dave said:

Hey, thanks Rod, I'd forgotten about that thing. Just looked it up:

Book Your Own Fuckin' Life

www.byofl.org/

"Don't forget to leave feedback. If you leave comments, people can know what's up. There is no more print version of Book Your Own Life, and there won't be one."

To add to John's input, I was at one of those hippie/diy houses in about '94, listening to a punk band. This was on the outskirts of town, and it *still* got shut down by the cops.

Maybe it's an attitude thing. Police don't like punky lookin' kids being loud, but if Young Republican types do the same thing, it seems to be OK with the powers-that-be.

Yeah, your description of the Olympia scene is the type of thing I'm thinking about. And ideally the book will allow people in the scene to get some sense of differences among scenes and for people outside the scene, who are interested in uses of space, to get some understanding of alternatives to more mainstream music industry practices (advance ticket sales, profits from beer sales, etc.).

Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

Oh, allright. I didn't get it at first.  Yeah, a book about the experiences would be great.  I lived in Olympia, WA during the late 80s and early 90s and I thought that scene ruled.  We either found spaces to rent, or someone would put something together at their house either in their living room or basement.  We also had the Evergreen State College and bands would set up in the dorms to play.  It was where people witnesses early performances by Nirvana, Screaming Trees, Fitz of Depression, and Bikini Kill.  It was so much fun.
 
Daniel M said:

PM is private message. I'll sen you a note, John.

I'm not working on a book that is a listing of places (akin to BYOFL or DODIY). Instead, this will be more narrative-focused. If you've read Stephen Duncomb's book about fanzines, that could be somewhat similar or the My First Show book.

Nuggets coming out in 1972 was almost the equivelent of watching great shows from the 60s in reruns during the afternoon during the same time period.  Shows that were only off the air a few years but they felt like....a long time ago.  Probably because they were so different from what was airing at night on network.  But you don't get that same feeling now with watching 30 year old shows today.  The same way 30 year old songs today don't feel that old (and magical).  Overplayed?  Never having the chance to disappear? or the fact that production for major labels has stayed bland?  Whatever it was about production that happened during the "Nuggets" age seems like it can never be recaptured no matter how you try.

.....This is where it all began. Most of the songs on "Nuggets" were only six years old , tops , and , some , even less , in 1972 , when it was released. But , the need for a collection like this was already there. It was probably called an anachronism at the time , just as some people call it one , today , only because there's a shitload more rarities , readily available , but , it took one man's vision to set the cogs in motion. Besides , the original 2 LP set was not as readily available some 10 , 12 years later. I had to settle for a copy of "Nuggets" with one record missing for years....I even had the 8-Track , which would'nt play , before I found an original 2 LP set. All in all , the original "Nuggets " set , a good portion of Rhino's LPs in the "Nuggets" series (The CDs were terrible . A situation later rectified with the 4 CD box set) and the aforementioned box set , still sound great today.     Mazeltov , Lenny.

"And of course the bottom line is that all of these are great songs. They're just not genre pieces. There has been a lot of archaeological dig in the world of garage since Nuggets. But to me, what made the album initially attractive beyond any musical philosophizing was the fact that every one of these songs were great songs beyond genre."

http://www.spinner.com/2012/12/18/lenny-kaye-nuggets-40th-anniversary/

You Better, You Bet was Ok I guess.  But Athena from the next album was pretty bad.  You're right, why bring it up.
 
John Battles said:

God , I know.....If "Face Dances " had been ABOUT as good as "Empty Glass"
, people might have taken it more seriously....Is it a coincidence that the hits on both albums sound alike, tho'? A lot of Pete's songs were works in progress , some of which he'd have The Who perform before they sounded fully realized. People who saw that show in 1980 , the one that I was lucky enough to see , agreed that Jones sounded much better live than on "Face Dances"...."It's Hard" , why even bring it up? I did'nt even try to get a ticket on that tour. Of course , holding the show outdoors in December , with Billy Squier as support , why would I have?   But , The Who were'nt the only major band having a mid-life crisis at the time........
Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

Nobody will ever be Keith Moon but I never truly thought it was fair to blame Kenny Jones for the band the way they ended up.  He's competent.  The whole thing is like Pete Best in reverse.  But howabout blaming Pete Townshend for keeping all the good songs for himself on Empty Glass and All the Best Cowboys have Chinese Eyes and giving the band crap.  Not a fan of those songs but I'm not gonna deny they have quality.  Even Emminence Front was a solo song that he put on a Who album.  But Jones' drumming wasn't bad.  It was just different.

I did'nt need to see Roger's chest , either , but it was'nt Johnny Rotten - awful !!

But......Compared to seeing Springsteen , Roger Waters , Bon Jovi , Billy Joel and Kanye West , seeing Daltrey's gut was'nt SO horriffic. Then again , it was'nt about our entertainment. I'd gladly play on a NY/NJ benefit , but I usually don't get asked to perform for GOOD causes , and , with the apparent gridlock on localized disaster relief (Have you seen Red Cross donation cans at any of your local businesses? Me either , nor for Japan , Haiti or New Orleans.), it does'nt look like this wee small burg , Chicago , will be doing any Hurricane Sandy relief benefits. Hey , I hope I'm wrong.
melissa scott said:

Yeah, I'm sorry to say, YEAH, couldn't give a damn about anything later either. And I so want to. All that talent in his hands and Townsend just wastes it.

As for Daltry, he really should rethink trying to hit those high notes now. Oh, wow, worst part of last week's performance. Besides him opening his shirt front. *sigh*

Mel

James Porter said:

1965-68 = essential Who

1969-78 = still good, just not great

1981 onward = terrible

God , I know.....If "Face Dances " had been ABOUT as good as "Empty Glass"
, people might have taken it more seriously....Is it a coincidence that the hits on both albums sound alike, tho'? A lot of Pete's songs were works in progress , some of which he'd have The Who perform before they sounded fully realized. People who saw that show in 1980 , the one that I was lucky enough to see , agreed that Jones sounded much better live than on "Face Dances"...."It's Hard" , why even bring it up? I did'nt even try to get a ticket on that tour. Of course , holding the show outdoors in December , with Billy Squier as support , why would I have?   But , The Who were'nt the only major band having a mid-life crisis at the time........
Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

Nobody will ever be Keith Moon but I never truly thought it was fair to blame Kenny Jones for the band the way they ended up.  He's competent.  The whole thing is like Pete Best in reverse.  But howabout blaming Pete Townshend for keeping all the good songs for himself on Empty Glass and All the Best Cowboys have Chinese Eyes and giving the band crap.  Not a fan of those songs but I'm not gonna deny they have quality.  Even Emminence Front was a solo song that he put on a Who album.  But Jones' drumming wasn't bad.  It was just different.

The Who invented punk rock. Period.

What happened after that (until Keith has been his regular amazing self as a drummer, that means until Live at Leeds, where they invented hard rock), it's just history.

But the renditon of A Quick One on the Rock'n'Roll Circus is the greates live performance ever done by a band. And will never be outlasted.

Yeah, I'm sorry to say, YEAH, couldn't give a damn about anything later either. And I so want to. All that talent in his hands and Townsend just wastes it.

As for Daltry, he really should rethink trying to hit those high notes now. Oh, wow, worst part of last week's performance. Besides him opening his shirt front. *sigh*

Mel

James Porter said:

1965-68 = essential Who

1969-78 = still good, just not great

1981 onward = terrible

I wrote an essay on the best and worst Christmas songs, where I put the worst as Cliff Richard, Wizzard and Mr Blobby. The angle was the best & worst No 1's in the UK, where I laid the conventions of the Christmas hit bare.

Sloppy Seconds - Lonely Christmas
Anti-heros - All Hail Santa

It' not there at the link location. I gotta hear some psychedelic Korean Christmas music! 

Can someone repost it?

Grazianohmygod said:

My girlfriend found this album by HE5, a Korean psychedelic band from the late 60's. No lyrics, but some pretty dirty 'n' fun versions of some Christmas Standards.

The Dirtbombs - My Last Christmas

JD McDonald - Boogaloo Santa Claus 

This wouldn't normally fall into the garage category but it's nice and raw

My girlfriend found this album by HE5, a Korean psychedelic band from the late 60's. No lyrics, but some pretty dirty 'n' fun versions of some Christmas Standards.

The Dirtbombs - My Last Christmas

JD McDonald - Boogaloo Santa Claus 

Andy Climax said:

Not too shabby! Also check out Acid Mothers Temple, Bo Ningen and Boris. I'd rock hard if i wasn't soooooo munchied, haha

Dont know if you get BBC I-player in the rest of the world but if you do tonight is Slade night, including Slade in Flame as discussed on here, gotta be worth a look!

A new episode of The Mal Thursday Show is up at http://garagepunk.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-mal-thursday-show-46-the-ballad-of-mal-thursday-pt-8

I'd make you comps, no problem.  What is the easiest way to make a comp available to someone via the Web?

Joey Fuckup said:

Damn, care to make me some comps? Or would you by chance have a way of putting all this in a zip file?  ;)
ShapelyDice said:

A few weeks ago I made a series of comps for a friend who is into electronic nonsense (ugh...).  Three comps, each with 22 tracks, for a total of 66, as in the year 1966.  Great, huh?  Anyway, this was my attempt to "convert" him to garage.  I titled my comps "Murky Mysteries From the Savage Sixties."  I'll post them here so you can see what I included:

MURKY MYSTERIES FROM THE SAVAGE SIXTIES
1. The Vectors – Paisley Haze
2. Art Guy – Where You Gonna Go
3. The Bittersweet – She Lied
4. The Younger Brothers – Go Away
5. The Keggs – To Find Out
6. Dennis and the Times – Flight Patterns
7. The Sound Barrier – Hey, Hey
8. Licorice Schtick – Flowers, Flowers
9. Silk Winged Alliance – Hometown
10. The Remaining Few – Painted Air
11. The Chob – We’re Pretty Quick
12. The Colony – Things on My Mind
13. It’s Us – Don’t Want Your Lovin’
14. Kiriae Crucible – Salem Witch Trials
15. The Wave-Riders – Ain’t It a Shame
16. The Eastern Alliance – Love Fades Away
17. The Burgundy Runn – Stop!
18. Children of the Mushroom – August Mademoiselle
19. Richard Pash and the Back Door Society – I’m the Kind
20. The Assortment – Bless Our Hippie Home
21. The Human Expression – Readin’ Your Will
22. Godfrey – Let’s Take a Trip

MURKY MYSTERIES FROM THE SAVAGE SIXTIES II
1. Magical Mist – Time Out to Fly
2. The Tremors – Wondering Why
3. The Painted Ship – Frustration
4. Teddy and His Patches – Suzy Creamcheese
5. The Outcasts – 1523 Blair
6. The Us Too Group – Girl With the Golden Hair
7. The Savages – The World Ain’t Round, It’s Square
8. The Painted Faces – Anxious Color
9. Just Two Guys – I’m Free
10. Park Avenue Playground – The Trip
11. The Jesters of Newport – Stormy
12. The Weads – Don’t Call My Name
13. The Mind’s Eye – Help, I’m Lost
14. The Hazards – Hey Joe
15. The Human Expression – Every Night
16. The Dearly Beloved – Flight 13
17. The Big Town Boys – August 32nd
18. Tyde – Psychedelic Pill
19. Crystal Chandelier – Setting of Despair
20. The Wee Four – Weird
21. The Graveyard Five – Marble Orchard
22. The Raven – Calamity Jane

MURKY MYSTERIES FROM THE SAVAGE SIXTIES III
1. Graf Zepplin – You’re in My Mind
2. The Baytovens – My House
3. The Warlocks – Mindbender (Confusion’s Prince)
4. The Shades of Night – Fluctuation
5. T.C. Atlantic – Faces
6. The Explorers – Blue Flavored Lollipop
7. Aluminum Dream – Strangers Calling
8. The Monacles – I Can’t Win
9. The Beaux Jens – She Was Mine
10. The Mustard Men – I Lost My Baby
11. The Buck Rogers Movement – Baby Come On
12. The Stoics – Enough of What I Need
13. The Bees – Voice Green and Purple
14. The Tides In – Trip With Me
15. Fe-Fi-Four Plus 2 – I Wanna Come Back (From the World of LSD)
16. Los Chijuas – Changing the Colors of Life
17. The Five Canadians – Writing on the Wall
18. The Shaynes – From My Window
19. The Other Half – The Girl With the Long Black Hair
20. Oscar and the Majestics – House of the Rising Sun
21.The Outsiders – She’s Coming On Stronger
22. The Psychotics – If You Don’t Believe Me, Don’t

Let me know what you think.  I had initially rummaged through all my stuff to pick out the ones I thought needed to be included, and I had well over 150 tracks.  I thought that was too much, so I shortened it to 66. 

"Quite right slick!"

Erik said:

Dylan wins simply because he never wrote somthing as awful as mello yellow!