I finally clicked the purloined BBC link and read the article. I only saw the link to the band list before. I totally agree, it's an article for squares. Poor phrasings, like the ones you mentioned, just kinda fall flat and sound over-generalized. And I gotta ask what cause are they "deeply committed" to? Nevertheless, the writer does expose interesting roots of certain punk ideals. I for one never new about the French Situationist influence on manipulators like MacLaren and Wilson. I do think that my interest in NY punk in part led me to major in French; everything from Tom Verlaine & Richard Hell's fascination with Verlaine and Rimbaud and Patti Smith's intro to the Anthology of French Poetry to David Byrne screaming "Qu'est-ce que c'est?" in Psycho Killer and Debbie Harry's dabbling in la langue francais. This article seems to suggest that punk came full circle in the French scene. I don't see it as such an even fit. I agree mostly that an article delving into what punk in Paris was like at the time, with anecdotes of live shows and band bios would be more informative than subjective musing. From a histological perspective I still find some of the trivia connecting French culture to punk is worthy of note, but I'm not sure it works towards supporting the thesis.

Phil holloway said:

Wow,  I hardly know where to start with what is fundamentally wrong with this article.

what a long long stretch this writer has made to prove a thesis.  Always a danger when intellectuals and writers try to define musical expression.  No?

 

""Now deified as arguably punk's most important individual, Malcolm McLaren,""

""US punk "godmother" Patti Smith""

Not hard to find a quote from Mr Lydon refuting both these claims.

 

I think most would prefer an article on the French punk scene and a list of bands to check out rather than this.

 

It supposes that punk gets it's meaning from politics. (rather than from the expression of teenagers feeling both alienated and horny)

To quote Marshall McLuhan "the Medium IS the message".

I am sure most  punk rock fans in France would agree.

 

I'm interested in 70s punk bands from france that sing in english. Or other foreign bands. I think the accents can put a unique twist on the sound but im far too lazy to translate languages. I like Briard from finland, I think. Recommended by me so you should all buy it, of course.

I can burn dogs cd for stinky toys copy if interested.

Duke Of Earl said:

I found the Dogs cd used for like 8$. All the notes in the book are in french so maybe its hard to get over here. Id wanna get a StinkyToys cd too. Not easy to find though for a fair price. Im not interested in french hardcore just raw punk type stuff. 

Marty Shane, Pacifiction Records said:

When I lived in France as a student about 10 years ago I was looking for 70's punk and found a live comp from '78 called "Rock D'ici A L'olympia: La Nuit Punk De L'olympia" with a few of the bands on that list.  I think a lot of French stuff from that period leans more towards new wave, but some of the artists like Stinky Toys, Diesel and Bijou I remember being pretty cool. And I still gotta check out the Dogs. Anyway, I think you can get "Rock D'ici A L'olympia" here:

 

http://sonsofthedolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/le-rock-dici-lolympia.html

I found the Dogs cd used for like 8$. All the notes in the book are in french so maybe its hard to get over here. Id wanna get a StinkyToys cd too. Not easy to find though for a fair price. Im not interested in french hardcore just raw punk type stuff. 

Marty Shane, Pacifiction Records said:

When I lived in France as a student about 10 years ago I was looking for 70's punk and found a live comp from '78 called "Rock D'ici A L'olympia: La Nuit Punk De L'olympia" with a few of the bands on that list.  I think a lot of French stuff from that period leans more towards new wave, but some of the artists like Stinky Toys, Diesel and Bijou I remember being pretty cool. And I still gotta check out the Dogs. Anyway, I think you can get "Rock D'ici A L'olympia" here:

 

http://sonsofthedolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/le-rock-dici-lolympia.html

Still,  I would give Lydon more credit than McLaren who pretty much is justifiably documented as being a notorious cad.

However I would give McLaren credit for smelling a trend before it blows up.

I think what Lydon says in "the filth and the fury" documentary is basically close to the truth. 

Ultimately we should judge a tree by the fruits. that fruit being the actual output of music. 

nothing else. 

"The real punk movement started in New York and Paris came before the UK because we were really connected to New York..."  Can we at least assume this statement, Unless we redefine "REAL PUNK",  is utter pretentious nonsense?? 

Currently I myself am working on an article about how Motorhead would not have become a band without ABBA winning the 1974 Eurovision song contest.

I was wondering whether someone would give that article a bit of criticism, I'm suprised it took so long. When I was reading it I thought some of the stuff was a bit dubious if not pretentious. Of course I still found it interesting because I knew nothing about French punk before that and now I know a little.

The claim that British punk rock would just be growly men with guitars is pretty stupid. Neither the Sex Pistols or the Clash were really intelectually political, the Clash at the start were angry punks with more social concerns than wider philospising. Perhaps though there might be some truth for bands like Crass, and then stuff like TSOL? Although even there I can't imagine many anti-establishment punks reading anarchist philosophy in French.

But I wouldn't listen to anything Lydon has said, he just talks crap before claiming to have invented anything from pogoing to Green Day.

Whats up guys. This is Tito from 4808 records and mail-order. I sell mostly instrumental but I'm thinking of expanding. Are you interested in working on consignment?

Bomp mailorder is a good one.

http://www.bompstore.com/servlet/StoreFront

Mordam, Get Hip Distribution, Midheaven, Subterranean, Revolver USA, Caroline, Carrot Top, Touch and Go, Cargo USA, Goner Records Mailorder, etc.

Aint 1200's more of a DJs turntable? I'd get something with automatic return, so when you are laying a turd, or pass out the needle doesn't stay in the groove. My suggestion though is don't buy new, because almost everything new is cheap and costs more.

Bon Von Wheelie of the Tacoma, Washington garage-rock band Girl Trouble has been maintaining a great website over the years where she calls out certain promoters or production companies on their pay-to-play scams. While the design of the site doesn't make it easy on the eyes to peruse, it does contain tons of valuable information warning bands of these shysters. Check it out:

www.neverpaytoplay.com

One particular shyster, Gorilla Productions, even went so far as to sue the band over what the site says about their operation. It's a lawsuit filed to bully her into taking it down. So she's fighting it. You can see the details of that here:

http://neverpaytoplay.com/&Lawsuit.htm

And here is Never Pay to Play's page on Gorilla Productions pay-to-play scam:

http://neverpaytoplay.com/Gorilla/&GorillaBOTB.htm

Bon told me that they still haven't gotten a ruling on this lawsuit. They still might be able to haul them into Ohio court. In Wash state this ruling takes about 30 days. In Ohio, it's almost been a year. Nobody can figure it out. She has spent thousands of dollars of her own money in lawyers and pretty much has nothing to show for it. Meanwhile, Gorilla is operating freely all over the US, including Seattle, and she can't even send an email to somebody in Ohio for fear it will further connect them. So they just wait.

Hopefully she will win (she should), but it sucks that she's had to spend over $13k in lawyers feeds in order to fight these greedy bastards. Her website is very beneficial to bands everywhere in warning them of the dangers of this kind of crap, and I've used it myself in the past when warning local bands of a similar scam that popped up here in St. Louis several years ago.

well, anything off this page for starters!!:

http://www.nartystation.com/Music.html

Plus more American than Irish.

Alex said:

I'd say the Dropkick Murphys, but they're more punk than garage.  Still good though.

night on the tiles!!!

The Big Bad Bollocks from Massachusetts

From a Good Vibrations (Belfast label/record shop) compilation...and this is in order.....Rudi, Victim, The Outcasts, The Undertones, X Dreamysts, Protex, The Idiots, Spider, Ruefrex, The Tearjerkers, The Moondogs, The Shapes, The Bankrobbers, The Bears, The Jets, Shock Treatment, The Lids, The Androids, Terri & the Terrors.

Also "Little Monkeys With Lots of Money" CD single/EP (tracks - Daria/Jackie Chan/Feminist). I'd heard Daria (I think) on John Peel's radio show and found myself in Belfast with a bit of time to kill after the 24hr race, so went to Good Vibrations and bought it. More pop than garage punk, but I like it.

D.

Victim&Outcasts spring to mind because I listened to them lately. There was actually a book that came out exclusively about irish punk a few years back so its obvious to me that there was probably quite a few good-uns. No I never read it. I should have though. Im not a very fast reader. Maybe I can find it some day with the luck of me irish luckyyyy charmssss.

I'd say the Dropkick Murphys, but they're more punk than garage.  Still good though.

And thanx for all of the other help too...completely forgot about The Urges LP that i bought a coupla years back.

And Bonnevilles, remember checking them out awhile back and dug them!!

Thanx everyone!!!

The Wheels.....that was the band i was trying to think of.......Road Block, killer garage stomp from 66 on Pebbles 6. Thanx for your help Bob!

Plus they have a bunch of other songs on the English Freakbeat and Sugar Cube comps...including Bad Little Woman which is another killer!

Bob said:

Hi. More modern bands like Cheap Freaks / The Things / The Urges / The Revellions / The Bonnevilles / The Mighty Atomics 

60's ireland wasn't the best place for garage punk but the singer from the Count 5 Sean Byrne was from Dublin. Eire Apparent were another psych rock. Dr Strangely Strange were a Cork band. The Wheels from nuggets II comp are from Ireland, songs called bad little woman. If you are scrapping the barrel guitarist from Beau Brummels is Irish! plays the harp on Laugh Laugh! :)

 

 

 

 

 

Might be tenuous in terms of garage (it's really Brit Pop) but Ash have a few decent songs on 1977.

You could try the Golden Horde, 80s band from Dublin with some garagepunk/psych/billy isms.

What Javier said.

I highly recommend some excellent garage/punk/blues by The Bonnevilles (http://garagepunk.ning.com/profile/AndyMotorSounds). Check out The Things and The Revellions as well. Oh, and The Mighty Stef - not so much garage punk, but great for Paddy's Day. Or any day for that matter ;o)

Can't think of any other bands at the moment, will get back if I do.

Hi. More modern bands like Cheap Freaks / The Things / The Urges / The Revellions / The Bonnevilles / The Mighty Atomics 

60's ireland wasn't the best place for garage punk but the singer from the Count 5 Sean Byrne was from Dublin. Eire Apparent were another psych rock. Dr Strangely Strange were a Cork band. The Wheels from nuggets II comp are from Ireland, songs called bad little woman. If you are scrapping the barrel guitarist from Beau Brummels is Irish! plays the harp on Laugh Laugh! :)

Hi folks!

I really like The Urges, from Dublin. I recently listened to The Mighty Atomics and they're not bad at all. Hope this helps.

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