A little bit different , but , they both used the same phrase , albeit differently , to describe the same kind of music.  Of course , those bands were not carbon copies of each other , though Bobby Balderrama , of the Mysterians , has frequently told me that Joe Kelley (Shadows of Knight ) and Rick Derringer (Then Zehringer) of The McCoys were two of his biggest influences as a Guitar player. Of course , The Seeds , Shadows of Knight , McCoys and ? and The Mysterians  toured the states together. Warren may have re - popularized the term , but I was hearing the phrases "Garage Punk" and "60's Punk" in the very early 80's , before Crypt came on , to describe the music still best known via Nuggets , Pebbles , and smaller pressing LPs that were starting to pop up. But , Warren deserves a lot of credit , of course. HE HATED PEBBLES AND SIMILAR COMPS ( I don't.), AND HE MADE IT HIS GOAL TO RELEASE THE BEST TRACKS FROM THOSE COMPS , AS WELL AS PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN TRACKS , WITH GOOD SOUND , BAND PHOTOS , AND QUOTES FROM BAND MEMBERS , WHENEVER POSSIBLE. He raised the bar , to be sure . I'm enjoying this article , but , it's a little late . I'll have to read it , later.  I did read , in magazines like Creem , the word "Punk" being used in conjunction with Aerosmith , if only because Steven Tyler's attitude registered as "Punk" with some. Aping David Johansen's act , then making off wth his old lady . Real Punk. Blue Oyster Cult were being referred to as "Punk", too. their connection to a still - obscure Patti Smith got played up a bit. Question Mark said people called his band "Punks" in the mid- 60's , and Bill Bulinski , of The ELECTRAS , told me that there were certain bands THAT PEOPLE CALLED "PUNK" at the same time , in Minnesota , so , who's to say where it really began , though Marsh and Kaye popularized the expression , even if it took a while to catch on , and Greg Shaw , whose magazine could'nt have been reaching many people at the time , took the ball and ran with it , according to this article. I believe that. But , he did'nt treat this music with nostalgia. It was'nt even that old. Similarly , there was a flourishing Rockabilly scene in LA at that time , and virtually no one cared , tho' even Rockabilly was'nt that old at the time.

Dave Marsh actually called ? and the Mysterians a Punk Rock band.  Lenny called the Shadows of Knight a "classic garage punk band".   A little bit different, I think.  And I don't think it got revived until Tim Warren used it in BFTG reissues.http://books.google.com/books?id=lqS2EuCqO5kC&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=Shadows+of+Knight+classic+garage+punk+band&source=bl&ots=K1iygG7zSY&sig=ytupsH4qFNftDdHOhTZGYlJTavw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5D3OUf6DB8mLiwLxi4HgCg&ved=0CFsQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Shadows%20of%20Knight%20classic%20garage%20punk%20band&f=false

 

LENNY'S USE OF THE TERM SOLIDIFIED IT , THOUGH DAVE MARSH WAS AHEAD OF HIM , JUST BY A BIT ("NUGGETS " CAME OUT IN '72.) . Maybe he did'nt think the term would really take off , or thought it obvious that The Standells and Seeds were in the same league as Shadows of Knight , though certainly different from The Blues Project , Sagitarrius and The Third Rail. There was an article about 60's Garage Bands ,the better known ones and the local bands that maybe put out one 45 , in the British "Story of Pop " Magazine. Kaye may have written it. I'm not sure. It may have been published in '73, if not late '72.The article was called "PUNK ROCK: The History of The Scuz Bands.".........I HAVE'NT SEEN IT SINCE THE LATE 70's.
 
Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

The earliest usage of the term "Garage Punk" goes back to Nuggets when Lenny Kaye was talking about the Shadows of Knight in the liner notes.  Why he didn't use it to describe the Standells or the Seeds is beyond me except that maybe they were one of the few groups to make it that actually just graduated high school.  All the others were pretty professional and in the case of side 4 of that album, studio groups.

Tyler , It's all right. Sometimes what we want to say , up here (Points to his head) comes out differently , transcribed on paper , or here , online , than it would if you were just saying it aloud, in a conversation.....I've looked at things I've posted online , then thought , that's not what I said , or meant to say , at least..... That said , When Tim Warren got Crypt Records going , which was , what? about 1985 , maybe earlier , most of those bands he later championed , like Teengenerate and The Devil Dogs , either did'nt exist yet or were just getting their thing together....with the exception of The Lazy Cowgirls , WHO'D BEEN AROUND AWHILE.    I think most people just called 'em Punk , tho' they had a mid 60's Garage , and 50's R'N'R , influence , because they refused to cave to SO. CAL. Hardcore sensiblilities. As one friend told me , almost 20 years ago , "It's music by old men , for old men". If younger people want to embrace it , that's great. But , they can , or could , PLAY , so that's a handicap, these days . Devil Dogs could play , too. They were , as Warren put it so well , "Punk Rock as in Saints - DMZ , NOT Post - Punk.". But , not many bands on Crypt seemed to have that "Back From The Grave" /60's Punk thing going on , at least , not so much that I could ever notice. One of the first bands I ever saw that "Got it" , "IT" , being the relationship between 60's and 70's Punk Rock was Sons of Hercules , and that , too , was only about 20 years ago.

There's nothing wrong with citing differences between things that are related , though.

But , I  think a lot of people , today , make too big of an issue , segregating music that obviously goes hand in hand . For the same reason (If you can call it that.) Rockabilly fans generally don't like Garage Punk (Which is like liking you Mom and not your Dad.) , in the "Hardcore Uber Alles" 80's Underground , it was'nt cool to like Rockabilly , Garage or Psych....BUT THAT CHANGED , IN TIME .
 
  Tyler said:

Shit....yeah I just worded that very badly

Back From the Grave is the definition of "60's punk" to me. I  just meant that "60's punk" and "garage rock" to me are the same thing...just one term was used later than the other (first it was "punk rock", then when punk hit as we know it today, it was relabeled "60's punk" to differeniate it from the new sound, then it became labeled "garage rock"). 

 What i meant at the end regarding Back From the Grave is that I find it funny how Tim Warren referrred to it as "garage punk" on the front cover....because, to me, Garage Punk is a term used to describe later bands like Lazy Cowgirls, Devil Dogs and Teengenerate...like, bands influenced by both the 60's stuff, AND the late 70's stuff. 

I'm not saying I'm correct...it's just what I always thought the terms meant. I'm obviously splitting hairs here, and wording it horribly :P

 

John Battles said:

I'm following you , here , except , why would'nt you consider the bands on "Back From The Grave" to be 60's Punk. Or , AM i MISREADING YOU , AND YOU'RE REALLY SAYING THERE'S TWO HEAVILY USED TERMS "60'S PUNK" AND "GARAGE ROCK" , AND THAT MAKES IT CONFUSING TO SOME? 
 
 
 

The earliest usage of the term "Garage Punk" goes back to Nuggets when Lenny Kaye was talking about the Shadows of Knight in the liner notes.  Why he didn't use it to describe the Standells or the Seeds is beyond me except that maybe they were one of the few groups to make it that actually just graduated high school.  All the others were pretty professional and in the case of side 4 of that album, studio groups.

Shit....yeah I just worded that very badly

Back From the Grave is the definition of "60's punk" to me. I  just meant that "60's punk" and "garage rock" to me are the same thing...just one term was used later than the other (first it was "punk rock", then when punk hit as we know it today, it was relabeled "60's punk" to differeniate it from the new sound, then it became labeled "garage rock"). 

 What i meant at the end regarding Back From the Grave is that I find it funny how Tim Warren referrred to it as "garage punk" on the front cover....because, to me, Garage Punk is a term used to describe later bands like Lazy Cowgirls, Devil Dogs and Teengenerate...like, bands influenced by both the 60's stuff, AND the late 70's stuff. 

I'm not saying I'm correct...it's just what I always thought the terms meant. I'm obviously splitting hairs here, and wording it horribly :P

 

John Battles said:

I'm following you , here , except , why would'nt you consider the bands on "Back From The Grave" to be 60's Punk. Or , AM i MISREADING YOU , AND YOU'RE REALLY SAYING THERE'S TWO HEAVILY USED TERMS "60'S PUNK" AND "GARAGE ROCK" , AND THAT MAKES IT CONFUSING TO SOME? 
 
 
 

Probably Liar Liar by the Castaways heard on my beloved transistor radio in 1965, at the impressionable age of 13.  It has that eerie guitar opening and one of the best screams in all garagedom. 

I'm with Johnny Thunders on this one: "it's all all just rock'n'roll at the end of the day."

I'm following you , here , except , why would'nt you consider the bands on "Back From The Grave" to be 60's Punk. Or , AM i MISREADING YOU , AND YOU'RE REALLY SAYING THERE'S TWO HEAVILY USED TERMS "60'S PUNK" AND "GARAGE ROCK" , AND THAT MAKES IT CONFUSING TO SOME? I've used both those terms , plus "Garage Punk" , to describe the same thing. But , boil it down to a single shot , it's still Rock'n'Roll. We just have MORE GENRE PHRASES , TODAY , THAT CAN BE GOOD , OR , NOT SO GOOD.....I agree , bands like The Stooges , Velvets , MC5 , DOLLS , and Blue Cheer , tho' no one , these days , agrees , can be classified as "Proto Punk" , or you could say a lot of them WERE PUNK , for their time.  JUST AS YOU COULD SAY Screamin' Jay Hawkins , Link Wray , Lord Sutch , The Johnny Burnette Trio , etc. were Punk , in their day

 
Tyler said:

 When I think of "proto punk" though (as a genre of music), I don't think of those 60's punk groups (aka garage rock groups) at all. I think "60's punk" and "proto punk" are two separate things.
 "Proto punk" are groups that formed BEFORE the Ramones that had a heavy influence on what would become THE 70's punk sound. ex- Stooges, Mc5, Velvet Underground,  etc. To my ears, those bands do NOT fit in with the sound of those Nuggets and Pebbles groups though.
 "60s' punk" (or Punk Rock, in the early 70's Dave Marsh sense of the term) is, to me, strictly the young groups that were influenced by the rawer sounds of the british invasion. Ex- bands on Nuggets, BackfromtheGrave, Teenage Shutdown comps, etc.  I figured critics started referring to "60's punk" as "garage rock" to make things less confusing. So basically, 60's punk and garage rock are the same thing.

 Another example...I would consider the Stooges "proto punk", but i'd consider the Iguanas "60's punk". In terms of the Mc5, maybe their first single (with the THEM cover on it) would be 60's punk, but by Kick Out the Jams, that's total Proto Punk.
 
...I know I'm just splitting hairs here...I know "punk" has been used to describe everything from Cooper to the Bay City Rollers eventually...and some groups could even fit into both categories (like the Monks)...
...but it's all for the sake of discussion. Good rock'n'roll is good rock'n'roll, of course :P 
...and according to those BFTG comps, those groups are called "garage punk"...which makes even less sense to me, and makes things even more confusing for everyone, including myself!
 

That's true , Marsh's description of a later ? and The Mysterians show (Which I think was in '71 , but , don't quote me.) is largely credited as the first use of the term "Punk Rock" as a musical phrase. Lillian Coxe's "The Rock Encyclopedia" had a short entry dedicated to "Punk Rock", but , it referred to bands like Alice Cooper , Black Sabbath , and even Bloodrock , implying they were musically inept , compared to the competition , like , uhhhh, Led Zeppelin? Hardly . Coxe's book lists the memebers of Led Zeppelin as being the latter day Yardbirds lineup !  So , I'm guessing the book was written in '69 , as it also referred to Randy Holden as Blue Cheer's current Guitarist , which he was , for a few months , that year, or maybe '70 if the Author was extremely , NOT JUST VERY , OUT OF TOUCH.
 
Glenn Peart said:

And now from Wikipedia: "The invention of the term "punk rock" is generally credited to critic Dave Marsh who used it in 1970 to describe the group Question Mark & the Mysterians, who scored a major hit with their song "96 Tears".^[34] Over the next few years, the term was used occasionally to describe a number of American bands, mostly active in the mid-to-late '60s, playing music that today would be classified as garage rock: a ragged, highly energetic, often amateurish form of rock and roll." So back in 1970 Iggy and the Stooges would have been considered 'garage' since the term 'proto punk' hadn't been invented yet. It seems to me that what is considered 'garage' at one point in time, is labeled 'proto punk' later. When the Ramones came out they were called a garage band, but that changed to 'punk' soon after. Some people still consider the Ramones a garage band, but as Billy Joel once said "It's still rock and roll to him".

I never knew about garage except for the radio, I was into Sabbath and Motorhead and Hendrix, Doors, Zep, etc.

I got into garage when I started performing cause it was the (only) style to suit my non talent. I played the Sonics, Mummies (Duel) and the MC5 (Looking at You) and the Stones (Out of Time) and started listening to WFMU (like Bill Kelly and Joe Belock) then found other stuff like Grunnenrocks. By then my mind was twisted and I started Nuggets, Back from the Grave, Girls in the Garage and foreign garage.

In all my travels, the finest single garage song to me is "Uptight Tonight" by Memphis Flash and the Casuals and another lost smash is Don't Ever Let Me Go by the Kinks. 

Karma To Burn for me! And clutch.

I SEE.....
That was the one time I saw Stiff Little Fingers ,was with Bruce Foxton , maybe in '93. Great show , but , they only reeled off about a half dozen classic tracks. I hear they do a lot more of them , now.
The Fnords said:

Val Doonican; Irish crooner best known for stuff like "Paddy McGinty's Goat" and so on*. SLF covered "Walk Tall" to good effect; the CD is DOJO CD 224 and was recorded in 1993. Bruce Foxton on bass, throwing Jam shapes. I recognised him, but he was out of context so I didn't work out who he was. D.

*and the album "Val Doonican Rocks.....But Gently...."

Val Doonican; Irish crooner best known for stuff like "Paddy McGinty's Goat" and so on*. SLF covered "Walk Tall" to good effect; the CD is DOJO CD 224 and was recorded in 1993. Bruce Foxton on bass, throwing Jam shapes. I recognised him, but he was out of context so I didn't work out who he was. D.

*and the album "Val Doonican Rocks.....But Gently...."

Teengenerate- Live At Shelter is a great one. It gets so out of tune as the show goes on..and the intro is great. "(something in Japanease) Mothafucka! Okay Mothafuckin...TEENGENERATE!"

Smugglers- Growing Up Smuggler. One of my favourite live albums ever. Better than any of the studio albums.

 

Radio What Wave Playlist June 27/2013. Sounds From London Ontario Part 2!!

Yet another all local (London Ontario and surrounding area) special as we play music from the last 40 years of London Ontario....There is TONS more talent out there that didn't get played on these shows, but with only 3 hours total, you can't get 'em all!

1. Flying Squad...I Want You Right Now....recorded live at Call The Office 1/4/86. Biker rock ala MC5 with facial antics ably supplied by vocalist Tim Murphy.

Flying Squad at Call The Office...mid 80's.

2. Puff Forbes....Song 665...from Stratford Ontario and from their self titled limited edition CD from about 5 years ago.

Puff Forbes at Black Shire Pub 10/20/2008

3. Standstills...Blues Radio...a demo they supplied us from Oct 2008. 2 piece combo that lived in London for a coupla years while both members attended Fanshawe College.

The Standstills at Black Shire Pub, 3/27/2009

4. Jason And The Nomads...Earthquake...from the Warp Speed Ahead CD.

5. Black Holes....Big Sky/I'm A Hobo...recorded live at The Brunswick Hotel.

6. Jiggawatts...Me Time...from the Burning Bridges CD from 2009. This punk combo won best Punk Band in Scene (local giveaway paper) Magazine. Don't hold the award against these guys as i've seen them a few times and they are VERY good at what they do!!

Jiggawatts at Call The Office 12/6/12

7. Black Donnelys....from a demo and no idea what the song is. Think i got this cassette in a trade swap from a guy in Alberta many years ago.

8. Giggleswitch...How Good You Look...from the VII CD. A mixture of youngsters and old farts in this family combo that used to play out quite often a coupla years back.

9. Hell's Half Acre....United States Of Canada...from It Came From Canada Volume 4. Shedden Ontario was home to these guys. It's just past Buttfuck on the highway, don't blink or you'll miss it! These guys once opened for Deja Voodoo at The Key West in the mid 80's here in London. One of the members was in a recent punk band, 120 and the Firghting 68's that we played last week.

10. The Demics...Takin' My Time....recorded live in Toronto, probably about 1980. Betcha never heard this song before!

11. The Regulators...What Goes On....recorded live at the Polish Hall, Halloween 1979 when they played with NFG and maybe The Demics.

12. The Stoves...Look Through Any Window...recorded live at The Cedar Lounge 1979 and yes, this is The Hollies song from 1965. 

13. Uranus...Shake Some Action....recorded live from CFNY in Toronto in 1980. Uranus played at some kind of car show in Toronto and it was aired lived on CFNY, which used to be a really cool radio station back then.

Uranus at Call The Office 10/26/2012 for the Graphic Underground London 1977-1990 show

14. Frank Ridsdale...Little Red Riding Hood....recorded live on Radio What Wave 10/16/2010 as we had Frank onair playing up a storm! And Frank was in Uranus, the band we just played.

Frank Ridsdale live to air 10/16/2010

15. Orie Hitt Machine....Killer Inside Me....demo from a local maniac!

16. Captain Scarlet and The Mysterons...A Piece Of Me...late 80's demo. Singer/guitarist Tom is now in The Ridzdales, coincidentally named for Frank Ridsdale.

Captain Scarlet and The Mysterons....Call The Office, late 80's.

17. Thundermug...Africa...1972 AM radio hit. Member Bill Durst plays around occasionally and he also just won an award from Scene Magazine (but don't hold that against him).

18. Ukase....Jealousy...late 80's demo. The Zellots used to do this song in the late 70's/early 80's and it finally got recorded. You can read the full story of The Zellots in the last 2 issues of Mongrel Zine outta Vancouver and available locally at Grooves Records.

19. Dead Rabbits....Sink The Loveboat....recorded live at The Cedar Lounge 10/9/81.

20. The Sinners...No Brains Required...from their only 7" and definitely a pre-req for this radio show!

21. Lonesome Ghost....Haunted By God...from the 2nd volume of Garagepunk Hideout download CD's. AND the only local band to ever be on one of these comps. Lonesome Ghost were a 2 piece from Aylmer Ontario and blew a lot of minds in their way too short existence.

Lonesome Ghost at Grooves Records 6/20/2009

22. Bitchlove...Picket Fences...proof positive there is still life right here in sleepy London!

23. Wedge...Ain't Got No Job...from the Feedback cassette from 1993....the cassette kept playing and i started yammering not realizing the tape was still going. It ain't Radio WW without a coupla (sometimes more) fuckups!!!

24. Jim Ashby...Speed City...best fucking record to ever come outta this sleepy city and a fitting end to the show!

Jim Ashby at Call The Office 4/21/2007

Thanx Tons for all the phone calls, emails, requests, facebook messages and HEY's!!!!I know a lot of you dig these local specials and we'll do another in a few months.

Next week, it's an all Canadian show as we celebrate Canada Day on Thursday July 4th. We'll be doing some Canadian put down songs of the US as it's their birthday on show day. Requests welcome as always.

All photos from the What Wave archives...please don't reproduce without asking.

And here's a link to the podcast:

http://chrwradio.ca/content/radio-what-wave#prev-shows

the priests one of my favorite bands from my hometown, rochester, ny! i am listening to there record, Tall Tales right now. the record was put out on get hip records! the priests disband a while ago but there music prevails. the priest are dark, the priest are savage, the priests evil, the priests are rock n roll! there grooves are amazing. Sometimes it makes me think of a darker version of the seeds but with there own shit going on.  I saw them play about half a year ago. they got back together to play a show at the bug jar with the st phillips escalator. it was amazing!!ever since then I'v been hoping they get back together.

RSD releases can be a little silly. One of my friends said this in defense of "Go Skateboarding Day": "So maybe you think it's lame but so is Valentines Day. At least on this day it's our local parks and shops that get a small spike in sales." 

And that's basically how I feel about Record Store Day. We don't have to buy the overpriced collector's box set that has gratuitous "rare" recordings of someone coughing on the first take. But considering how many people don't think they need to pay for music, or anything, anymore, I'm inclined to approve of any kind of novelty that gets people to support small businesses and music, with cash money. 

I don't blame you failing to understand my rant. It was borne of frustration that I will never get to hear these exclusive Seeds cuts.

I thought I made it clear that I love vinyl. I own many vinyl albums and love to peruse record stores. My 'hate' is for the exclusivity of the content being sold by record companies in the name of "Record Store Day." Because I do not have the funds to purchase the exclusive vinyl or a turntable I will never get to hear these Seeds classics from two Record Store Days. My 'hate' is reserved for the elitism of this choice not for the stores themselves.

In re-reading my original post, I never said I hated record stores. I wasn't even addressing the record stores themselves! 

As for the title of the post, I thought it sounded like a punk/garage rock song title. But I guess we all have to be attacked for *something*.

I guess I'm just failing to understand the brevity of your usage of the word "HATE" here, which is a pretty strong word in and of itself, and you even used it three times!

So are you expecting "brick & mortar" record stores to sell digital downloads, too? Because some of them already do this via their websites. I love vinyl but I also love the ease and convenience of digital copies of albums. I got the new Oblivians LP on vinyl but still have yet to set up my turntable to play it, so I used the download code it came with to load the songs on my iPod where I can enjoy it in my car. I still love to go "record shopping" and I think that's the point of Record Store Day, to remind people that records (including CDs and even cassettes) are still out there and available for purchase at unique and individualized stores that are fun to explore and shop at. And the fact that you can do this while also hearing some local bands bash out their noise is an added bonus. I really don't have any complaints, but then again I suppose everyone's gotta have *something* to complain about...

It's a great concept and a noble effort to save record stores. But it's a horrible execution - a form of elitism aimed at those who have turntables, limited to a very few who are lucky enough to be ones of the first in the know.

Now, I will admit to being a bit of a hypocrite here; if I had the money the Seeds' records would have been on my Oracle or Dual in a second and I wouldn't have had a thought about those on pensions or anyone who can't afford the luxury of a turntable. I have been a Seeds fanatic since 1966 who no longer has a turntable. Excluding people like me IS pure elitism. And it sucks.

The least that could be done is to offer these tracks later to digital owners, like most of us. (I love analog by the way and still have dozens of my favourite records, many dating back to the late 50's, I just can't afford a decent table.)

ok GW played Gibus in Paris (famous club, home of johnny thunders back then...), two weeks ago ! Best show i saw , but maybe because i finally manage to get on stage when Seiji pass his guitar to the audience ! 10years i ve been trying to do so !   They went to Pigalle afterwards to drink wine and eat with Jon Von, but i didn't , had to work in the morning ! 

New record is brillant ! more mid tempo songs but still aggressive !

http://youtu.be/sGJM-c86v0k

They rock!!

yikes !!!!

Johnny Lurg said:

John Battles said:

"NIGGLERS?!" THAT'S A WORD THAT , TO MY KNOWLEDGE , ONLY ENGLISH PEOPLE USE. I THOUGHT CHRISTGAU WAS AMERICAN......IT'D BE PRETENTIOUS (AND PERCIEVED AS RACIST , MOST LIKELY.) TO USE THAT WORD IN A SENTENCE THIS SIDE OF THE ATLANTIC , WITHOUT AN EXPLANATION.

 I saw Faron Young on Ralph Emery's show on TNN , once. Mind you , Faron was older , and a certified NUT. EMERY QUOTED A PIECE FROM THE BRITISH PRESS , AND ASKED IF ANYONE KNEW WHAT THIS WORD "NIGGLED" MEANT. FARON YOUNG SAID "I THINK THAT'S CHARLIE PRIDE'S COUSIN !" . EVEN THE NASHVILLE AUDIENCE, AND THE OTHER GUESTS , GROANED AUDIBLY. MYSELF , I DON'T HATE FOGERTY , I JUST FIND HIM TO BE OVERRATED.
 
John Battles said:

DID I SAY I DID'NT KNOW THAT SONG? I DID'NT KNOW IT BY NAME , BUT I DO KNOW IT AS FOGERTY'S BASEBALL SONG. YOU COULD'NT GET AWAY FROM HIM DURING HIS FIRST COMEBACK BID , AND , YES , THERE WAS MUCH WORSE ON THE RADIO, then , LIKE JOE WALSH'S "DOWN AT THE SUNSET GRILL", FOR ONE.....Boy , you did your research . I did say that , but it was probably more like....no ,you're right , it was 35 years , Rangers Vs. Red Sox , 1978. Went to see The Monkees AFTER a Rangers game in '86. Would have watched some of the game , anyway , but , we got there as the Peter Noone - less Herman's Hermits were doing their last song. They did let us in for free. Now , the shitty seats for the last Monkees show , here , were over $100. I PASSED ON A FREE TICKET TO A FOGERTY /WILLIE NELSON BILL , ONCE. I'd be hard - pressed to name my least - favorite Willie song.
 
Johnny Lurg said:

According to Robert Christgau, only "nigglers" hate John Fogerty:

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/cdrev/fogerty-ble.php

And here's that Fogerty song Swamis was referring to, since John Battles claims not to know it, meaning he hasn't been to a single American baseball game in the past 35+ years:

Great Dismal Swamis said:

1) John Fogerty- without the revival-
" put me in coach"- no thanks, dick..

John Battles said:

"NIGGLERS?!" THAT'S A WORD THAT , TO MY KNOWLEDGE , ONLY ENGLISH PEOPLE USE. I THOUGHT CHRISTGAU WAS AMERICAN......IT'D BE PRETENTIOUS (AND PERCIEVED AS RACIST , MOST LIKELY.) TO USE THAT WORD IN A SENTENCE THIS SIDE OF THE ATLANTIC , WITHOUT AN EXPLANATION.

 I saw Faron Young on Ralph Emery's show on TNN , once. Mind you , Faron was older , and a certified NUT. EMERY QUOTED A PIECE FROM THE BRITISH PRESS , AND ASKED IF ANYONE KNEW WHAT THIS WORD "NIGGLED" MEANT. FARON YOUNG SAID "I THINK THAT'S CHARLIE PRIDE'S COUSIN !" . EVEN THE NASHVILLE AUDIENCE, AND THE OTHER GUESTS , GROANED AUDIBLY. MYSELF , I DON'T HATE FOGERTY , I JUST FIND HIM TO BE OVERRATED.
 
John Battles said:

DID I SAY I DID'NT KNOW THAT SONG? I DID'NT KNOW IT BY NAME , BUT I DO KNOW IT AS FOGERTY'S BASEBALL SONG. YOU COULD'NT GET AWAY FROM HIM DURING HIS FIRST COMEBACK BID , AND , YES , THERE WAS MUCH WORSE ON THE RADIO, then , LIKE JOE WALSH'S "DOWN AT THE SUNSET GRILL", FOR ONE.....Boy , you did your research . I did say that , but it was probably more like....no ,you're right , it was 35 years , Rangers Vs. Red Sox , 1978. Went to see The Monkees AFTER a Rangers game in '86. Would have watched some of the game , anyway , but , we got there as the Peter Noone - less Herman's Hermits were doing their last song. They did let us in for free. Now , the shitty seats for the last Monkees show , here , were over $100. I PASSED ON A FREE TICKET TO A FOGERTY /WILLIE NELSON BILL , ONCE. I'd be hard - pressed to name my least - favorite Willie song.
 
Johnny Lurg said:

According to Robert Christgau, only "nigglers" hate John Fogerty:

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/cdrev/fogerty-ble.php

And here's that Fogerty song Swamis was referring to, since John Battles claims not to know it, meaning he hasn't been to a single American baseball game in the past 35+ years:

Great Dismal Swamis said:

1) John Fogerty- without the revival-
" put me in coach"- no thanks, dick..