Ramones-It's Alive

Heartbreakers-Live at Max's

Glad to see some others like them too. I forgot all about Hanx!. I haven't heard that gem in years. I'll probably get lynched for the next one...

Bob Seger-Live Bullet

The Dragons-Live at the Casbah

The Viletones-Saturday Night/Sunday Morning

That Viletones one is amazing! Too bad almost nobody has heard it. Maybe one day it'll be rereleased.

Television-The Blow Up

Yeah, the sound quality is absolute shite but it's a great set. And my absolute favorite live album:

The Hitmen-Tora Tora D.T.K.

There's also bootlegs by The Mutants, The Heroes, The Pretty Things, The Buzzcocks, D.M.Z. and Jason and The Scorchers.

I have "See You Up There" . and a DVD THAT'S PRETTY GOOD , CAN'T REMEMBER IF THAT'S THE TITLE. YOU MAY BE RIGHT , THO' I HEARD REALLY GOOD THINGS ABOUT THEIR LAST COUPLE OF SHOWS IN CHICAGO. I just did'nt want to see them at House of Blues , as their Bouncers don't know whether to cause violence , or ignore it outright , at "Punk" shows , there. I saw X there , a couple of times , and it was fine , but , other gigs were just absurd.

Do they? I don't know; the last time I saw them was 2006 and I just thought they'd lost their edge - time to stop.

There's a cd/video set from 1999 called "hand held and rigidly digital"; also a couple of live recordings from when they first reformed in the 80s, "see you up there" and "no sleep 'til belfast".

I SEE.....
That was the one time I saw Stiff Little Fingers ,was with Bruce Foxton , maybe in '93. Great show , but , they only reeled off about a half dozen classic tracks. I hear they do a lot more of them , now.
The Fnords said:

Val Doonican; Irish crooner best known for stuff like "Paddy McGinty's Goat" and so on*. SLF covered "Walk Tall" to good effect; the CD is DOJO CD 224 and was recorded in 1993. Bruce Foxton on bass, throwing Jam shapes. I recognised him, but he was out of context so I didn't work out who he was. D.

*and the album "Val Doonican Rocks.....But Gently...."

Val Doonican; Irish crooner best known for stuff like "Paddy McGinty's Goat" and so on*. SLF covered "Walk Tall" to good effect; the CD is DOJO CD 224 and was recorded in 1993. Bruce Foxton on bass, throwing Jam shapes. I recognised him, but he was out of context so I didn't work out who he was. D.

*and the album "Val Doonican Rocks.....But Gently...."

check out some tracks here: https://myspace.com/thepriests

Yeah. It's funny , I'd just got on a Seeds jag , BEFORE I LEARNED THEY WERE REISSUING THE FIRST ALBUM , with a whole CD of extras. The pitiful few younger people who ask my opinion , I tell 'em , you're living in a good time , we all are , as far as Garage reissues are concerned. We had to deal with crappy Eva comps , where the tracking order did'nt always even make sense.....OF COURSE , GNP , AND OTHER LABELS , WERE STILL DOING THE Seeds' MAJOR RELEASES (MAYBE NOT "FUTURE" ?)  . But , when I first found an original copy of "The Seeds" , it not only sounded better , it played better than my GNP reish. Still , the mono sound is lourvely.

Yes, John, it is quite amazing for all of this to be re-released at this late date in such a good way, even after so many re-hashed compilations over the years. The Seeds have their grip on me once again -- a truly timeless mixture they created all those years ago. :) I truly can't wait  for these next two CD sets, which I think will complete my Seeds collection once and for all! (Though I know more dribbles of re-issued sounds will continue, lol.)

Fuzz on, my friends!

So , this singles collection is for real , too. I heard about "Raw and Alive" getting done right. Some of their best songs went on that album , which is pretty amazing for a faux live album , recorded by a band on it's last legs.

People have been picking dirt on The Seeds for ages , and I don't just mean Kim Fowley. I've liked some of the reissues in the past , part . "Travel With Your Mind", but , who'd have thought a treasure trove like this would have ever been released on an unsuspecting world?

I met Sky twice. He was laid back , almost to a fault , not making insane proclamations. Just a gentle soul. He hugged me , twice . I don't know why , all I brought to get signed was my Seeds Hip Pocket record. He asked me if I wanted to sell it , but , quickly changed the subject. 

When Ya Ho Wa 13 played here , shortly after Sky's departure , they put up a big picture of Sky and said "This is Sky Saxon. He was our Brother . And, he was your Brother , too.".

Yes, these current re-issues are lovingly done and should do well to cement The Seeds' legacy. Amazing stuff -- and I am being drawn back into the same Seeds-mania I first felt more than 25 years ago!

Besides the Seeds singles collection, a 2-CD re-issue of "Raw & Alive" should also be out in a few months, including the un-dubbed versions of the tracks (without added crowd noise)! 

A great time to be a Seeds fan -- and it has made me think back on my various Sky meetings over the years. :)

Yes , very cool. I'm just glad to be seeing THE SEEDS FINALLY GETTING THEIR DUE , THO' , SADLY , ONLY TWO OF THEM LIVED TO WITNESS THIS.  Sky ,at least , toured extensively with The Wooly Bandits. I saw him once , and it was extraordinary. The second time , Sky was singing in keys known only to himself , but , it was still a good time. A friend of mine , who knew both ARTHUR LEE and SKY SAXON ,WAS OVERTHE MOON WHEN ARTHUR STARTED PLAYING HIS COMEBACK SHOWS (THO' THE 500 OTHER PEOPLE WHO WERE AT HIS FIRST POST - PRISON GIG IN CHICAGO COULD HAVE JOINED ALL 75 OF US WHEN HE PLAYED HERE IN '93.).....MY FRIEND SAID , NOW THEY NEED TO DO THE SAME FORTHE SEEDS ! HE WAS RIGHT , AND , ATLEAST FOR A WHILE , IT HAPPENED , THO' WITHOUTANY OTHER ORIGINAL MEMBERS (BARRING JAN SAVAGE , WHO PLAYED WITH THEM , EARLY ON.)

The "long version" Pushin' Too Hard 45 from the UK has arrived -- I probably wouldn't have noticed the extra verse if I didn't listen for it -- and it looks like it will be included in an upcoming CD singles collection anyway. But having it on actual vinyl is cool! :)

A hundred is crazy , especially , back then . I eventually found a good copy of The Elektra version for $8 OR $10 , I THINK. I even had the 8 Track at one point , and I should have left it teh hell alone (Or , had I known ,several years later , I'd be meeting some of these people , plus Lenny Kaye , I would've asked them all to sign it.) But , no , It tried playing it (In the 80's a lot of stereo amps still had 8 - Track players , at least if they were slightly used.), and it broke , instantly. Still , I was glad to plunk down my change to get the Rhino Nuggets box set (Both of 'em) ....I was able to find 'em both at a little under half - price. The first one , I have every song on it , save for maybe two , but the SOUND is so much better (Especially compared to their own early Rhino CDs.).

That makes a lot more sense now, that Bobby Balderrama comment.  Thanks.

Yeah, I got the Sire edition for 20 bucks but that was better than the Hundred I saw for the Elektra and a hundred bucks was harder to come by in 1986 than 20 was in 1996.  So it was a deal.
 
John Battles said:

Rockin' Rod , Bobby told me he was inspired by Joe Kelley , as they did a lot of dates together on that tour I mentioned , and , he said he loved listening to him play , live. The only then - big name Guitarist he ever mentioned looking up to at teh time was Jeff Beck. Bobby  told me , though , that the label brought in studio musicians for parts of "Action" , though , he was improving . No doubt , the whole band was . But , Allen Klein wanted it done his way. Even their post - CP singles show growth , but , they could'nt hit on a formula for another big - selling record.....Even though , now , they're credited for inadvertently creating the classic "Bubblegum" prototype with 'Do Something To Me". With Kasenetz/Katz's help , of course. Bobby , today , of course , is playing on top of his game.....He can throw in these fancy Blues - Rock leads and not detract from the song.   Joe Kelley , I've seen once , doing that predictable Hendrix/70's Albert King -style Heavy Blues - Rock. Not bad , for what it was. Better than most of his peers who are still playing in Chicagoland. I don't know how many people were aware of BFTG when the first records came out. I did'nt , personally , see the records (Grossly overpriced , but , I'm not pinning that on Tim) until about 1986. I know I was'nt seeing their hilarious ads ,with Mort Todd's artwork and Tim's hilarious "Everything sucks !'' rants , until around that time , either......I DID'NT START BUYING THEM TIL I MOVED TO CHICAGO , WHERE I COULD GET THEM FOR $8 , but.  I'd been aware of 'em for a while. The original "Nuggets " set WAS hard to score , affordably , and I , too , seldom saw the Sire re-issue. I found it with only one record , for about $3 , and bought it anyway , as I had a radio show , and wanted to play some of those songs. It IS hard to describe one's own music , if it's not just a cookie cutter , across the board , copy of an established genre. That's  why it's more fun to let people tell you what it reminds them of , and see how close  they are.  Like , when I first saw Sons of Hercules , I told them , I can hear The Seeds AND Johnny Thunders in your music. They said , you're right on the money.

Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

I'm surprised that Bobby Balderrama would mention Joe Kelley as an influence as both their singles and albums came out roughly at the same time and they really weren't travelling all that much until after the releases.  But then again, he probably meant that seeing him play encouraged him just to get better.  Bobby's playing grew by leaps and bounds by the time ACTION  had come out in 1967.   Anyway....I just thought the term "garage punk" was a bit more unique than just "punk rock" so was surprised to find it used on the NUGGETS album.  I didn't pick it up until 1996 (a friend had it but I never read the liner notes) as it was for years a very expensive album in its Elektra issue and Sire copies weren't that common in the 80s in Seattle.  Crypt's BACK FROM THE GRAVE came out in 1983 so it wasn't that far into the 80s when the phrase became popular again but I didn't pick up on it until 1987 when I bought my first BFTG and saw the catalog that included GARAGE PUNK UNKNOWNS and I didn't start using the term to describe my band until 1991.  It didn't even dawn on me to use the term when we started two years earlier because I didn't quite "get" it yet.  I'd say we were a sixties style band.  People would say "like the Beatles, the Rolling Stones?"  So then I'd say "we're a punk band" but then we'd disappoint because we didn't play any Sex Pistols or Clash or Ramones style stuff.  "60's style punk band" was confusing to people, but by 1991, Estrus Records and the Mummies were just taking off and then I thought, "wait, a lot of this stuff sounds like Crypt in a way", and then I finally got "Garage Punk" and what it really meant.  Been using it ever since.

Rockin' Rod , Bobby told me he was inspired by Joe Kelley , as they did a lot of dates together on that tour I mentioned , and , he said he loved listening to him play , live. The only then - big name Guitarist he ever mentioned looking up to at teh time was Jeff Beck. Bobby  told me , though , that the label brought in studio musicians for parts of "Action" , though , he was improving . No doubt , the whole band was . But , Allen Klein wanted it done his way. Even their post - CP singles show growth , but , they could'nt hit on a formula for another big - selling record.....Even though , now , they're credited for inadvertently creating the classic "Bubblegum" prototype with 'Do Something To Me". With Kasenetz/Katz's help , of course. Bobby , today , of course , is playing on top of his game.....He can throw in these fancy Blues - Rock leads and not detract from the song.   Joe Kelley , I've seen once , doing that predictable Hendrix/70's Albert King -style Heavy Blues - Rock. Not bad , for what it was. Better than most of his peers who are still playing in Chicagoland. I don't know how many people were aware of BFTG when the first records came out. I did'nt , personally , see the records (Grossly overpriced , but , I'm not pinning that on Tim) until about 1986. I know I was'nt seeing their hilarious ads ,with Mort Todd's artwork and Tim's hilarious "Everything sucks !'' rants , until around that time , either......I DID'NT START BUYING THEM TIL I MOVED TO CHICAGO , WHERE I COULD GET THEM FOR $8 , but.  I'd been aware of 'em for a while. The original "Nuggets " set WAS hard to score , affordably , and I , too , seldom saw the Sire re-issue. I found it with only one record , for about $3 , and bought it anyway , as I had a radio show , and wanted to play some of those songs. It IS hard to describe one's own music , if it's not just a cookie cutter , across the board , copy of an established genre. That's  why it's more fun to let people tell you what it reminds them of , and see how close  they are.  Like , when I first saw Sons of Hercules , I told them , I can hear The Seeds AND Johnny Thunders in your music. They said , you're right on the money.

Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

I'm surprised that Bobby Balderrama would mention Joe Kelley as an influence as both their singles and albums came out roughly at the same time and they really weren't travelling all that much until after the releases.  But then again, he probably meant that seeing him play encouraged him just to get better.  Bobby's playing grew by leaps and bounds by the time ACTION  had come out in 1967.   Anyway....I just thought the term "garage punk" was a bit more unique than just "punk rock" so was surprised to find it used on the NUGGETS album.  I didn't pick it up until 1996 (a friend had it but I never read the liner notes) as it was for years a very expensive album in its Elektra issue and Sire copies weren't that common in the 80s in Seattle.  Crypt's BACK FROM THE GRAVE came out in 1983 so it wasn't that far into the 80s when the phrase became popular again but I didn't pick up on it until 1987 when I bought my first BFTG and saw the catalog that included GARAGE PUNK UNKNOWNS and I didn't start using the term to describe my band until 1991.  It didn't even dawn on me to use the term when we started two years earlier because I didn't quite "get" it yet.  I'd say we were a sixties style band.  People would say "like the Beatles, the Rolling Stones?"  So then I'd say "we're a punk band" but then we'd disappoint because we didn't play any Sex Pistols or Clash or Ramones style stuff.  "60's style punk band" was confusing to people, but by 1991, Estrus Records and the Mummies were just taking off and then I thought, "wait, a lot of this stuff sounds like Crypt in a way", and then I finally got "Garage Punk" and what it really meant.  Been using it ever since.

I'm surprised that Bobby Balderrama would mention Joe Kelley as an influence as both their singles and albums came out roughly at the same time and they really weren't travelling all that much until after the releases.  But then again, he probably meant that seeing him play encouraged him just to get better.  Bobby's playing grew by leaps and bounds by the time ACTION  had come out in 1967.   Anyway....I just thought the term "garage punk" was a bit more unique than just "punk rock" so was surprised to find it used on the NUGGETS album.  I didn't pick it up until 1996 (a friend had it but I never read the liner notes) as it was for years a very expensive album in its Elektra issue and Sire copies weren't that common in the 80s in Seattle.  Crypt's BACK FROM THE GRAVE came out in 1983 so it wasn't that far into the 80s when the phrase became popular again but I didn't pick up on it until 1987 when I bought my first BFTG and saw the catalog that included GARAGE PUNK UNKNOWNS and I didn't start using the term to describe my band until 1991.  It didn't even dawn on me to use the term when we started two years earlier because I didn't quite "get" it yet.  I'd say we were a sixties style band.  People would say "like the Beatles, the Rolling Stones?"  So then I'd say "we're a punk band" but then we'd disappoint because we didn't play any Sex Pistols or Clash or Ramones style stuff.  "60's style punk band" was confusing to people, but by 1991, Estrus Records and the Mummies were just taking off and then I thought, "wait, a lot of this stuff sounds like Crypt in a way", and then I finally got "Garage Punk" and what it really meant.  Been using it ever since.

 A little bit different , but , they both used the same phrase , albeit differently , to describe the same kind of music.  Of course , those bands were not carbon copies of each other , though Bobby Balderrama , of the Mysterians , has frequently told me that Joe Kelley (Shadows of Knight ) and Rick Derringer (Then Zehringer) of The McCoys were two of his biggest influences as a Guitar player. Of course , The Seeds , Shadows of Knight , McCoys and ? and The Mysterians  toured the states together. Warren may have re - popularized the term , but I was hearing the phrases "Garage Punk" and "60's Punk" in the very early 80's , before Crypt came on , to describe the music still best known via Nuggets , Pebbles , and smaller pressing LPs that were starting to pop up. But , Warren deserves a lot of credit , of course. HE HATED PEBBLES AND SIMILAR COMPS ( I don't.), AND HE MADE IT HIS GOAL TO RELEASE THE BEST TRACKS FROM THOSE COMPS , AS WELL AS PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN TRACKS , WITH GOOD SOUND , BAND PHOTOS , AND QUOTES FROM BAND MEMBERS , WHENEVER POSSIBLE. He raised the bar , to be sure . I'm enjoying this article , but , it's a little late . I'll have to read it , later.  I did read , in magazines like Creem , the word "Punk" being used in conjunction with Aerosmith , if only because Steven Tyler's attitude registered as "Punk" with some. Aping David Johansen's act , then making off wth his old lady . Real Punk. Blue Oyster Cult were being referred to as "Punk", too. their connection to a still - obscure Patti Smith got played up a bit. Question Mark said people called his band "Punks" in the mid- 60's , and Bill Bulinski , of The ELECTRAS , told me that there were certain bands THAT PEOPLE CALLED "PUNK" at the same time , in Minnesota , so , who's to say where it really began , though Marsh and Kaye popularized the expression , even if it took a while to catch on , and Greg Shaw , whose magazine could'nt have been reaching many people at the time , took the ball and ran with it , according to this article. I believe that. But , he did'nt treat this music with nostalgia. It was'nt even that old. Similarly , there was a flourishing Rockabilly scene in LA at that time , and virtually no one cared , tho' even Rockabilly was'nt that old at the time.

Dave Marsh actually called ? and the Mysterians a Punk Rock band.  Lenny called the Shadows of Knight a "classic garage punk band".   A little bit different, I think.  And I don't think it got revived until Tim Warren used it in BFTG reissues.http://books.google.com/books?id=lqS2EuCqO5kC&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=Shadows+of+Knight+classic+garage+punk+band&source=bl&ots=K1iygG7zSY&sig=ytupsH4qFNftDdHOhTZGYlJTavw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5D3OUf6DB8mLiwLxi4HgCg&ved=0CFsQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Shadows%20of%20Knight%20classic%20garage%20punk%20band&f=false

LENNY'S USE OF THE TERM SOLIDIFIED IT , THOUGH DAVE MARSH WAS AHEAD OF HIM , JUST BY A BIT ("NUGGETS " CAME OUT IN '72.) . Maybe he did'nt think the term would really take off , or thought it obvious that The Standells and Seeds were in the same league as Shadows of Knight , though certainly different from The Blues Project , Sagitarrius and The Third Rail. There was an article about 60's Garage Bands ,the better known ones and the local bands that maybe put out one 45 , in the British "Story of Pop " Magazine. Kaye may have written it. I'm not sure. It may have been published in '73, if not late '72.The article was called "PUNK ROCK: The History of The Scuz Bands.".........I HAVE'NT SEEN IT SINCE THE LATE 70's.
 
Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

The earliest usage of the term "Garage Punk" goes back to Nuggets when Lenny Kaye was talking about the Shadows of Knight in the liner notes.  Why he didn't use it to describe the Standells or the Seeds is beyond me except that maybe they were one of the few groups to make it that actually just graduated high school.  All the others were pretty professional and in the case of side 4 of that album, studio groups.

Tyler , It's all right. Sometimes what we want to say , up here (Points to his head) comes out differently , transcribed on paper , or here , online , than it would if you were just saying it aloud, in a conversation.....I've looked at things I've posted online , then thought , that's not what I said , or meant to say , at least..... That said , When Tim Warren got Crypt Records going , which was , what? about 1985 , maybe earlier , most of those bands he later championed , like Teengenerate and The Devil Dogs , either did'nt exist yet or were just getting their thing together....with the exception of The Lazy Cowgirls , WHO'D BEEN AROUND AWHILE.    I think most people just called 'em Punk , tho' they had a mid 60's Garage , and 50's R'N'R , influence , because they refused to cave to SO. CAL. Hardcore sensiblilities. As one friend told me , almost 20 years ago , "It's music by old men , for old men". If younger people want to embrace it , that's great. But , they can , or could , PLAY , so that's a handicap, these days . Devil Dogs could play , too. They were , as Warren put it so well , "Punk Rock as in Saints - DMZ , NOT Post - Punk.". But , not many bands on Crypt seemed to have that "Back From The Grave" /60's Punk thing going on , at least , not so much that I could ever notice. One of the first bands I ever saw that "Got it" , "IT" , being the relationship between 60's and 70's Punk Rock was Sons of Hercules , and that , too , was only about 20 years ago.

There's nothing wrong with citing differences between things that are related , though.

But , I  think a lot of people , today , make too big of an issue , segregating music that obviously goes hand in hand . For the same reason (If you can call it that.) Rockabilly fans generally don't like Garage Punk (Which is like liking you Mom and not your Dad.) , in the "Hardcore Uber Alles" 80's Underground , it was'nt cool to like Rockabilly , Garage or Psych....BUT THAT CHANGED , IN TIME .
 
  Tyler said:

Shit....yeah I just worded that very badly

Back From the Grave is the definition of "60's punk" to me. I  just meant that "60's punk" and "garage rock" to me are the same thing...just one term was used later than the other (first it was "punk rock", then when punk hit as we know it today, it was relabeled "60's punk" to differeniate it from the new sound, then it became labeled "garage rock"). 

 What i meant at the end regarding Back From the Grave is that I find it funny how Tim Warren referrred to it as "garage punk" on the front cover....because, to me, Garage Punk is a term used to describe later bands like Lazy Cowgirls, Devil Dogs and Teengenerate...like, bands influenced by both the 60's stuff, AND the late 70's stuff. 

I'm not saying I'm correct...it's just what I always thought the terms meant. I'm obviously splitting hairs here, and wording it horribly :P

 

John Battles said:

I'm following you , here , except , why would'nt you consider the bands on "Back From The Grave" to be 60's Punk. Or , AM i MISREADING YOU , AND YOU'RE REALLY SAYING THERE'S TWO HEAVILY USED TERMS "60'S PUNK" AND "GARAGE ROCK" , AND THAT MAKES IT CONFUSING TO SOME? 
 
 
 

I know it's a bit cheeky to say this...but, what the fuck...I've got a good story about how I got my pseudonym "Eugene Ripper"....I was joining my first band in 1979. It was in Toronto Canada and the band was called (and still is) Stark Naked and The Fleshtones...I was 16 years old, the new guy and the youngest in the group...Paul (aka Stark Naked) was the lead singer and in charge of coming up with names...At that point he christened me..."Vic Sectomy"....Hey, it was '79, I was 16 and was in cool band...I was good to go with being Vic Sectomy. Anyway as fate would have it...it was not ment to be. One day, at high school, me and Starky were walking down the halls after cutting a class and getting high. I was feeling kinda mischievous and was a few steps behind Stark as we ambled along. I was somewhat transfixed on a dangle of denim that hanging and dragging of Stark"s ill fitting scrappy tatter hand me down blue jeans...after a few strides...I could help myself and I stepped down on the tassel of denim as Stark stepped forward resulting in the a a good 8 inch rip up leg of his blue jeans...He stopped...turned...paused and pointed..." you , you, you ....YOU JEAN RIPPER!  Kaboooom...let's just said, we had a moment and a laugh and it was done...I was to be "Eugene Ripper" ...after all these year's the handle remains my handle, stage name, nom de disc...all that stuff. 

www.eugeneripper.com

www.starknakedandthefleshtones.com

Playlist 06/29/13

I'll be on the air and the web on Saturday June 29th from 1:00-3:00PM EST. It will be the usual mix of garage, punk and psychedelic. You can listen at 89.7-FM in Rochester, NY or steaming live at http://witr.rit.edu/.

I perused the local shop with my daughter on RSD this year. They had live music and food trucks. I don't have much to spend either, but we came away with the Stones 5x5 and a couple excellent grilled cheese sandwiches. It was a good day. 

Karma To Burn for me! And clutch.