I know you said your remarks about Gringo were "tongue in cheek", but this has happened before. Gringo had to shut down two threads by the same member because they turned into an outright battle. So the member decides to publicly on here insult him because he was doing his job. How are any of us to know that what you posted wasn't serious?

Also, you said it was in your nature to "challenge authority". Look, we have enough to look into than a Hideout member willfully wanting to challenge us and push our buttons. I'm not trying to be a bully here, but if you think it's funny to do that, think again.

Alison said:

Whoaaa.  Seriously, did not mean to offend you guys, and I certainly do not have an "intense problem" or feel there is a "conspiracy."  I very much appreciate your hard work with this site and your podcasts.  So I do intensely apologize if I have put anyone in a "bulls eye" because that was not my intention. I have a very teasing, silly nature so my post was meant very tongue in cheek - of course I do not actually think Gringo Starr is a fascist. It is just in my nature to challenge authority, and like it or not, as moderators, you guys are the authority here so you will have to expect push back sometimes (I also hope at some point you will see that push back can be a healthy thing).

I can understand how you can often be in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation with moderating.  Perhaps there could be a more democratic, communal way of handling these situations so you won't have the pressure of being the bad guy?  Some sites have ways for members to flag comments and posts so they will be removed after so many flags.  I don't know what the solutions is, I just think it warrants further discussion amongst all the members which is why I didn't just email Kopper about it.  I think it would be good for the group to talk about what type of posts they like or don't like.

My point about the caveman, cavewoman thing is that people often don't always analyze why they like something, they just feel it in their gut and want to share it which is probably why people often respond to discussions with videos, which is not the same thing as being a troll or an asshole, or even trying to play a game.  I'm not saying it is good or bad, just what's been happening.   Now that you have stated you want to raise the bar, you will need to he more descriptive about what your expectations are. 

Anyhoo, I will qualify my earlier statement with, don't take me so seriously. Just take care and keep up your good work.

We can't move forum discussion topics to groups, nor can we even move them between group forums. That's not even possible with Ning, despite the fact that I and many other network admins have been requesting this functionality for years now.

Also, if new members would simply read the friggin' network guidelines like we ask them to when they join, then a lot of this shit could be avoided right from the start.

The Pulsebeats said:

First off you guys do do a top-notch job and of course if you've got members leaving due to a perceived low quality of discussion threads then this will lead you to consider removing them, but perhaps the better course of action would have been to set up an "It's all fun and games" group where these threads could have been moved to. That way those who want to continue the chain reaction or post what they're listening to at the moment are free to, while others do not have them cluttering up the main thread. This is something that you do with other types of posts and works excellently as you can discover discussions that would ultimately be lost under a pile of "What's your favourite animal related song?" posts. (Rocky Racoon for me). In doing that, when future members join, you won't be shutting down more posts by those who do not realise that you have set certain standards as by shutting down posts of newcomers you risk them leaving immediately and not engaging further with the community and with those posts that you do want to see more of. The danger is that now you've set a precident and I'm sure you'll be shutting down more posts in the future in the name of quality control. I'm all for raising the bar, but everyone's gotta be able to jump it.

The other discussions, such as the selling out one, when they turn nasty of course you have to step in and shut that down. This is the problem with internet anonymity. I was a little pissed at the time (not at you guys, at those who'd turned it nasty) as I had spent a few days considering the issue and had a whole response planned about pride, clique behaviour and group dynamics (it's the social scientist in me!), but found it locked when I went back. That would certainly be a discussion I'd like to see again, but a reasoned discussion where people back up their arguments, respect others' points of view and not start slinging shit. As my granny used to say, "It's an opinion, it can't be wrong."

First off you guys do do a top-notch job and of course if you've got members leaving due to a perceived low quality of discussion threads then this will lead you to consider removing them, but perhaps the better course of action would have been to set up an "It's all fun and games" group where these threads could have been moved to. That way those who want to continue the chain reaction or post what they're listening to at the moment are free to, while others do not have them cluttering up the main thread. This is something that you do with other types of posts and works excellently as you can discover discussions that would ultimately be lost under a pile of "What's your favourite animal related song?" posts. (Rocky Racoon for me). In doing that, when future members join, you won't be shutting down more posts by those who do not realise that you have set certain standards as by shutting down posts of newcomers you risk them leaving immediately and not engaging further with the community and with those posts that you do want to see more of. The danger is that now you've set a precident and I'm sure you'll be shutting down more posts in the future in the name of quality control. I'm all for raising the bar, but everyone's gotta be able to jump it.

The other discussions, such as the selling out one, when they turn nasty of course you have to step in and shut that down. This is the problem with internet anonymity. I was a little pissed at the time (not at you guys, at those who'd turned it nasty) as I had spent a few days considering the issue and had a whole response planned about pride, clique behaviour and group dynamics (it's the social scientist in me!), but found it locked when I went back. That would certainly be a discussion I'd like to see again, but a reasoned discussion where people back up their arguments, respect others' points of view and not start slinging shit. As my granny used to say, "It's an opinion, it can't be wrong."

Hey Alison, I sure understand where you're coming from, public discussion is always good and needed. I was just trying to point out that the Hideout has a good history of community stuff happening and where else do you get to address the folks that run the bunny directly? Yeah, sometimes it can sound scruff, but 97% of the time it comes off fair and good. Hell, we're punks not the Zuckerberg army :)

As your "what's happening in your scene" discussion shows, there's even very good places to throw around videos AND making sense, while picking up on fun stuff. So there you have it.

I believe Axel (I know it could have been any of the members that had their thing closed) is a relaxed enough dude to maybe repost his thing to his Blog. Although I thought it was funny too, I wasn't gonna contribute, I have a hard enough time catching up with everything else here, haha.

Check out my blog for an exclusive interview I did with two former members of The Gruesomes (a Montreal Garage Punk band from the 80s).  There is also a link to download the radio program that I did on The Gruesomes.

http://revrock.blogspot.com/2012/03/hey-gruesomes-radio-special-sho... (The Interview.  Download links to the show at the end of the play list)

Here's The play list:

Gruesomes Play List:
1. No No No (Cave-In! 2000)

2. I Can Tell (Gruesomania 1987)

3. You Gotta Believe Me (Cave-In! 2000)

4. You're Not The Boss of Me (Cave-In! 2000)

5. Thanks For Nothing (Hey! 1988)

6. Won't You Listen? (Hey! 1988)

7. I Try (1985 Garbage Pail Kids Demo)

8. For All I Care (1985 Garbage Pail Kids Demo)

9. Bikers From Hell (Live In Hell 2007)

10. Jack The Ripper (Part II) (Jack The Ripper EP 1985)

11. No More Lies (Jack The Ripper EP 1985)

12. What's Your Problem? (Tyrants of Teen Trash 1986)

13. Things She Does To Me (Jack The Ripper EP 1985)

14. Fuad & The Feztones - Valley of the Kings (Valley Of The Kings 2002)

15. Gerry Alvarez Odyssey - No Man's Island (Omega Tea Time 2010)

16. What Wave (Mr. Garager’s Neighbourhood Compilation 1989)

17. El Diablo (Hey! 1988)

18. Undecided (Live In Hell 2007)

19. Leave My Kitten Alone (Gruesomania 1987)

20. Unchain My Heart (Unchained EP 1985)

21. Fuad & The Feztones - Welcome To My Castle (Nardwuar The Human Serviette and The Evaporators Present Busy Doing Nothing! 2012)

22. Gerry Alvarez Odyssey - Candy Prankster (Candy Prankster 2006)

23. Cave-In! (Cave-In! 2000) 24. Hip-no-tyzed (Cave-In! 2000)

25. Way Down Below (Gruesomania 1987)

26. I'm Down(Live In Hell 2007)

27. Hey! Live In Hell 2007)

The Byrds So You Want to be a Rock n Roll Star and the Kinks Top of the Pops both prove Kopper's point in my opinion lyrically speaking. Both are boring to hear and have the same message that might have been more original at the time but now has been regurgitated so many times.

I think if you are going to bitch then bitch about stuff people care about like the way countries are run, the bad cultures that exist, our reliance on oil etc. The only people who care about the music industry are those in it, talk about the 1%.

It is especially annoying when rich and famous artists complain - you know the ones who make it big on there first album and then their second album is all tears about how lonely it is at the top, and no one knows who they really are, but everyone wants to get a piece... Gag!

The band fighting is also pretty stupid, but nothing is worse than the rap world when it comes to that issue! 

 I agree. Here's a guy that had everything (Short of talent.) , and he sabotoged his own gigs at every given opportunity. Most famously (And I'm NOT a Metallica fan, either.) the time Metallica preceded Guns'n'Roses , and James Hetfield was severely burned in a pyrotechnics mishap. Axl Rose could have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat by giving the show of his life . He bailed after about 5 minutes , and a riot ensued.....And people are supposed to care if this band reforms , or already did ?

No one cares. In fact, you're more likely to LOSE fans with stupid lyrics bitching about something else no one cares about than to gain new ones because of it. I think the biggest thing that matters is the melody, the hook, and the BEAT.

Oh, and FUCK Axl Rose. That guy's the biggest whiner of the bunch. Should've gotten his ass kicked in St. Louis.

Was sat here last night with my iTunes playing away on random and got two very different songs on one after another (no real surprise there, I know), but both had a similar thread to them...plain bitching. First up was Guns n Roses Get In The Ring, where Axl calls out a host of journos who have dissed the band and second up was Fiona Apple by Ze Malibu Kids, which responds to the singer's criticism of the guys from Redd Kross (who also, along with wives and daughters, make up Ze Malibu Kids). It got me thinking if there are any other instances where bands simply write a song to bitch about how they've personally been treated and if that's something that other people actually give a shit about. Should we write a song about how we've been screwed over by the electricity company? Would anyone care? Obviously sometimes it leads to some classic rock n roll - The Ramones' KKK Took My Baby Away a case in point, and a perfect example of band in-fighting to boot, and there's always The Beatles' Taxman. What do you think? Do you care or do you wish that sometimes bands would just stop the bitching and play? Perhaps more importantly, and maybe we'll get slammed for thinking that this is something that "little kids do", but has your opinion of one artist ever been influenced by what another artist thinks of them?

I'm goin and wingin it... can't wait! been rsvping for these free parties like a mad woman.

Hi there...We're playing Paisley Umbrella's 4th Annual International Psychout. We're talking a fantastic mini-festival of local, national, and international Garage, Psych, and Guitar Pop bands. The venue is Tom's Tabooley - 2928 Guadalupe Street Austin. Our slot is at 3pm Thursday, March 15th. It's a FREE Non-SXSW gig. We'll be giving away copies of our EP...so come on down ! Cheers, Wig

babes in toyland!!

L7. 

impossible to follow up the hamburglars...

just wanted to say how i like this network! what a great display of affection in all those comments, awesome. you guys are great.

The Obsidians believe in stage outfits. and stage outfits don't have to be expensive. especially when you throw in some black. we're lucky when it comes to body type - four extremly skinny guys and one super big one.

Sandals are a fireable offense! ;)

Thee Mighty Shake Spears said:

Just wear SOMETHING!!  It's called a SHOW.  Don't get up on stage if you're just gunna wear your stupid cargo shorts & sandals with a backwards ball cap & play your stupid 6 string bass up high while reading charted music on a music stand.....there's A LOT of that shit here in nashville....yech!!!  XD

Just wear SOMETHING!!  It's called a SHOW.  Don't get up on stage if you're just gunna wear your stupid cargo shorts & sandals with a backwards ball cap & play your stupid 6 string bass up high while reading charted music on a music stand.....there's A LOT of that shit here in nashville....yech!!!  XD

Nothing wrong with it - just not currently in style, but check these kids out:

GINGERS!

TeenFink said:

oh, come on.....BROWN HAIR? hello, fashion nazi!!!! also, wtf is wrong with vox guitars???

 

There's a lot of stuff happenin' in Montreal right now.

There's Bloodshot Bill, Jimmy Target & The Triggers (garage/surf), Sonic Avenues (power pop), Grand Trine (not really good live, tho), but my current favorite is Le Kid et les Marinellis. Awesome garage in french.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFLm82J_fgI 

You rock Eli!

Oh come on, nothing?

Just a quick message to say I also think these comps are are an amazing asset to the Hideout.

It's allowed me to find loads of bands I would have otherwise missed out on hearing and as a podcaster that's a real plus. I hope the small effort I make to spread the WORD about Hideout bands whether on my show or on the various social networks helps give some bands a bit more exposure.

In addition I'm just about to start my first monthly clubnite WEIRDSVILLE on the 3rd March and I gotta say these comps have also helped me make a fair few new contacts with bands for possible future gigs too.

Thanks Kopper

I have changed my opinion on the seeds and grew to love them. And when I say hype its just people and the web kept describing them as so raw and mental and I guess they simply wern't as deranged as I thought they would be.

hicksville hogwash said:

Try and reconsider The Seeds (and being hyped!  ...errr when?)  The Seeds are the only band I could listen to forever (sad but true).  They like Bo Diddley felt their groove so strongly that most every song/album is based on one or two chords.  

Sure Sky's voice is whiny but he is a magician of subliminal psychedelic messaging transforming into your trip guide by harnessing the primal power of the animal, plant and fungal kingdoms.  I hate to push drugs on you but with psychedelics the Seeds are better than 99.66% of "psychedelic bands"  they Pushed the envelope..... They were one of the first, IMHO the Doors ripped their entire act and sound ....

"Pushing too Hard" should be a standard ....

dying slowly said:

i can never get into the seeds i guess they got to hyped up for me

....No Ghoulardi , No Cle - Punk. 

I forgot one...When I first heard "I Wanna Be Well " by Los Hermanos Ramone, I thought it went "I Wanna Be Whipped" . I had a tape of some songs from The Ramones' 1977 show in Ft. Worth , and Joey says "WEEEEEELLLLL....AFTER EATING AT PANCHO'S (Gross "Mexican" Buffet.) ....I WANNA BE WELL !" . It was even funnier that I thought he meant the food was so bad at Pancho's , he should be whipped for even eating it....