Probably the most excellent posting so far in favor of rap and hip hop. Not familiar with Watts Prophets but I became familiar with Last Poets on a CD from MOJO that Iggy Pop compiled of favorite tunes and he chose a piece called "Wake Up, Nigger". I brought the CD to work one time and was playing it because I liked all the tunes Iggy chose but then was told to turn it off as soon as Last Poets came on. HA!
But I have to disagree with the Beastie Boys comment. They only became an alternative act when mainstream rap started turning into garbage. They were one of the first groups to see that hip hop was as much a street music as punk was and were just as influenced by Grandmaster Flash as they were by hard rock and punk rock groups. They and Rick Rubin were a match made in heaven. Too bad they had a falling out. Vanilla Ice came a long time after Beastie Boys. I really don't care for what they put out since Paul's Boutique but at least they know what they want to do. Vanilla Ice doesn't have a clue and just imitates everything he comes across.
Brother Panti-Christ said:
Wow, seems we have a general consensus that Hip Hop and Rap is a very good music indeed. This place never ceases to surprise me!
I love Hip Hop, and easily find it's links into the great punk music of the past. I grew up in High School with cool shit like Sugarhill Gang and Grandmaster Flash. I loved it but never bought any records in those days. In the late 80's living in L.A. I used to listen to KDAY AM, which was a proudly black owned and operated radio station and playing extremely cool (and also not so cool) 50's to 80's R&B, Soul and Funk music. On the weekends around midnight they would give up the turntables and mics for the young DJs around the Compton and Watts areas to play the new sounds of the streets. I tell ya, my hair would be standing on the back of my neck listening to these broadcasts, live mixes and rapping in a totally new form, it was fucking exciting and punk as fuck. 'Fuck The Police' by NWA pumping through my AM radio receiver in a menacing MONO was extremely exhilarating (not to mention all the helicopters constantly flying over my Hollywood home to complete the soundtrack). It gave me the same feeling that I had the first time listening to the mid 60's garage masters, I just loved it immediately.
I think in each musical movement there is 5% originality and 95% imitation/duplication. I've been hunting down that 5% in all forms of music. And like Rock N Roll, Rap and Hip Hop always proven to me there are always new ways to kick dead horse! There has been rapping going on since the beginning of recorded history, but perhaps this RAP form jelled with the likes of artists such as The Watts Prophets, Gil Scott-Heron or The Last Poets in the late 60's. And as years pass there is always another amazing group or demographic area that spawn some hot new grooves.
I would love to hear some of the Garage Punk podcasters playing some of their old Hip Hop faves, even dedicating a whole show would be fine by me (just not too often, aight?). If you got good taste in Rock N Roll then it's DAMN possible you know some kick ass Hip Hop tunes too.
And actually to somehow keep with the theme of the thread, I never really dug the Beastie Boys rap era, and I always considered them the big label's 'alternative White Boy' rap act after creating a niche market from the success of Vanilla Ice. OUCH!
here is some dope ass old RAP: