Wow, seems we have a general consensus that Hip Hop and Rap is a very good music indeed. This place never ceases to surprise me! I love Hip Hop, and easily find it's links into the great punk music of the past. I grew up in High School with cool shit like Sugarhill Gang and Grandmaster Flash. I loved it but never bought any records in those days. In the late 80's living in L.A. I used to listen to KDAY AM, which was a proudly black owned and operated radio station and playing extremely cool (and also not so cool) 50's to 80's R&B, Soul and Funk music. On the weekends around midnight they would give up the turntables and mics for the young DJs around the Compton and Watts areas to play the new sounds of the streets. I tell ya, my hair would be standing on the back of my neck listening to these broadcasts, live mixes and rapping in a totally new form, it was fucking exciting and punk as fuck. 'Fuck The Police' by NWA pumping through my AM radio receiver in a menacing MONO was extremely exhilarating (not to mention all the helicopters constantly flying over my Hollywood home to complete the soundtrack). It gave me the same feeling that I had the first time listening to the mid 60's garage masters, I just loved it immediately. I think in each musical movement there is 5% originality and 95% imitation/duplication. I've been hunting down that 5% in all forms of music. And like Rock N Roll, Rap and Hip Hop always proven to me there are always new ways to kick dead horse! There has been rapping going on since the beginning of recorded history, but perhaps this RAP form jelled with the likes of artists such as The Watts Prophets, Gil Scott-Heron or The Last Poets in the late 60's. And as years pass there is always another amazing group or demographic area that spawn some hot new grooves. I would love to hear some of the Garage Punk podcasters playing some of their old Hip Hop faves, even dedicating a whole show would be fine by me (just not too often, aight?). If you got good taste in Rock N Roll then it's DAMN possible you know some kick ass Hip Hop tunes too. And actually to somehow keep with the theme of the thread, I never really dug the Beastie Boys rap era, and I always considered them the big label's 'alternative White Boy' rap act after creating a niche market from the success of Vanilla Ice. OUCH! here is some dope ass old RAP:

I can totally dig what original HIP HOPPERs all you guys mentioned! NWA were boss in "Express yourself." Public Enemy are Killer, early Beastie Boys - yessir! To me, HIP HOP always was a continued oral history of the sorts of musical traditions of Blues, Gospel, Soul, RNB, Rock'n'Roll and what ever inbetween. It would have felt kinda weird listening to music from those periods and not to the momentary "black" music incarnations. Also, Tiki, I feel the same about the creative background of the basic HIP HOP movement.

For me Hip-Hop (Rap) was about the last "new" kinda music, after Punk, that really felt like being something completely new and unique. By now it's just another Style down the road, but I still have some great records I'd never give away, from some Oldschool NY-Stylez (of the late 70ies/early 80ies) to the dopey-tunes of Cypress Hill (the first band I knew, using looped sonds of "the Seeds") and many others, ... and on and on and on ... till the break'a'- break'a'-dawn. The best idea about Hip-Hop was, that anyone was considered being "part of the movement", as long as they're "active" within this scene (by dancing, painting, makin' music ...). A great & creative approach I think.

I completely agree. I can't stand rap and hip hop. I'll take gutbucket rhythm and blues and soul over that rap garbage any day. ratoonie said:

I cant stand Rap or hip-hop.... it has no place in the Rock & roll world!....Hateful, violent ghetto shit!!!

Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

Total shit.

Ruby Soleil said:

What about Faith No More?

haha, K-Dogg you have great tastes in movies, have you ever heard of or seen Whiteboyz (1999)? Straight out the corn fields of Iowa ...funny film, but the kind of film that leaves those certain fff'd up feelings jarring about when you are done watching it. Even more ridiculous the fact that this was done before enema-n hit the global scene. kopper said:

I highly recommend a movie called Hustle & Flow from 2005. That was written & directed by Craig Brewer who was also responsible for the cooler-than-expected $5 Cover MTV series about the Memphis music scene. Another of his movies that's really good but has nothing to do with rap is Black Snake Moan.

I also highly recommend CB4 and Fear of a Black Hat.

High Lord Mardy Pune said:

I totally agree with Ixnayray. The chart shit is just that; it's shit. But the kids keep buying into it and record companies like making money.
I like the early gangsta rap N.W.A., Ice T... A lot of people get offended by it but I think the rappers are just telling it like it is. I think the making of any good rapper though is the DJ sitting behind them. Kool Herc and Grand Master Flash were total musical revolutionaries and I think their attitude was totally punk; "fuck it this is how I'm doing it"

You have to remember that the term hip hop refers to the four corners as Hip Hoppers call it: Rappers, DJ's, dancers and Graph Artists. There's a great doco called Scratch which is mainly about DJing but sorta looks at the other three aspects of Hip Hop.

And Nine Pound Hammer isn't? ratoonie said:

I cant stand Rap or hip-hop.... it has no place in the Rock & roll world!....Hateful, violent ghetto shit!!!

Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

Total shit.

Ruby Soleil said:

What about Faith No More?

I cant stand Rap or hip-hop.... it has no place in the Rock & roll world!....Hateful, violent ghetto shit!!! Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

Total shit.

Ruby Soleil said:

What about Faith No More?

Total shit. Ruby Soleil said:

What about Faith No More?

Hey, if you wanna get some kinda jungle-swamp-suffocating-goth thrill, check THE SOUL DERVISH . You may enjoy...and he's a friend of ours (though I'm not sure he's still alive). Or, check this dead cool thing : THE HOUSE OF WILD DELIGHTS #3 . He's another friend ours...but I'm not sure he's still alive too ! Fucking suicidal freaks !

If you're gonna get kind of industrial, I'd add Cassandra Complex, Frontline Assembly, X Mal Deutschland, Front 242, Neon Judgement, Skinny Puppy, Cabaret Voltaire, etc. Good stuff. Other old goth includes UK Decay, Wasted Youth, Sex Gang Children (saw those 3 bands on the same bill once), old Dead or Alive (completely different before You Spin Me Round), Red Lorry Yellow Lorry, Theatre of Hate, S Haters, Danse Society, Tubeway Army, Skeletal Family, etc etc etc. I fill in on the goth show occasionally and have a ton of that old stuff (I can send the OP playlists with pretty complete LP info if he wants). Some good newer bands are London After Midnight, December Sound, Dead Sea Surfers and Cruxshadows. Not sure why Kopper put the Hoodoo Gurus in a goth/dark feeling list but it's all subjective I guess. The screamin' Soul Preacher said:

Did anyone mention Einstürzende Neubauten ? Guess you should check their 80's stuff (even if some call it more indus than goth).
And what about Killing Joke first 2 lp and singles ?
Early Wall of Voodoo (Stan Ridgway period) should be tried too if you ain't afraid of mixing Suicide with country music !

About Bauhaus, I really loved them when I was a kid but I can't listen to them anymore...much too arty and Bowiesque to my dirty old ears...
About the intro of "Bela Lugosi's dead" picked up by The Dirtbombs in their "Kung-Fu" version, Jay Reatard did the same thing in "Blood visions" (the song).
About The Sisters of Mercy, if you ain't dead of too much laughing after listening to their "First and last and always" lp, you'd better try the first eps, especially the one with "Alice" and their cover of "1969". Those eps are also gathered in the "Some girls wander by mistake" cd. But, once again, you may laugh more than cry... which is quite a pity for a wannabe dark and romantic goth !

About the bands that deals with dark and horror themes, you can't forget the kings of Psychobilly : The Meteors !

At last, I would say better forget about all these not so great bands, who probably used to spend more time fixing their dark mascara and blood red lipstick than practicing witchcraft in spooky cemetaries under the full moon, and please check each and every stuff with Steve Pallow or Haunted George in !!!

Hmm....I always considered Jesus and Mary Chain more like shoegazer but their vocals were too mechanical. Probably that's the goth-y part.

Jesus and Mary Chain are pretty good. Also, Fuck Morrissey. I got tricked into going to a Smith's night at some stupid hipster bar where I live and it was absolutely horrible. Ruby Soleil said:

Check out Jesus and Mary Chain. Early Goth tended to be more melancholy with catchy melodies than outright depressing and this Goth band reflects that. Morrissey ruined it for everyone so I don't recommend the Smiths or the Cure (although I could argue that The Cure is not Goth, but I'll let that one go). The rise in the Smiths popularity is when I got out of the habit of listening and following Goth music/scene/subculture. Empathizing with the music you listen to is a different event than letting yourself dissolve into depression and self loathing. Worst thing I ever saw was a little Goth boy letting himself be led around by a little Goth girl (and no she was not cute), by a leash that was hooked to the spiked dog collar around his neck, at of all places Rockfest in KC. And Manson is not Goth, though labeled as such as is all Death Metal and Thrash now a days it seems, but it's really not in my opinion. Lazy journalists. Us Goth kids in my day were never that angry-passive aggressive and spiteful yes, but we'd never raise a hand against anyone other than ourselves. Still love the culture, what with the toys on the market and all and movies influenced by Goth, like Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas. You might also explore steampunk, very Goth in a brown sort of Victorian way, the way the Goths chose the black and purple Victorian style, but less focused on the human condition. Style is key to being Goth, but don't lose a job over it, nothing worse than having to squat as previously mentioned in the thread. But yeah, check out Jesus and Mary chain they are one of my favorite Goth bands next to Bauhaus and the Damned. Also check out Love and Rockets, not Goth per se, but you might like them.

Rudimentary Peni's Cacophony is nice and gothy.

It still holds up 20 years later (or more?).

OK, I'm half-containing myself... ONLY HALF! AWESOME! HELLA SWELL! Now, that streaming business is all fine and dandy BUT you fine guys just (PLEASE) GOT to record that as a downloadable podcast! You are right, I could just snap it off the net with a audio-recording device when it airs, but I will be away from the internets at that time this is on, most possibly, so... big sissy wheep if I won't get to hear that one!

I figured if he's touring the states for his book, people could just ask him themselves in person(that is if they decide to go see him). I guess I meant to say this thread is better for places he's not stopping at or is not going to be before July 19th.

Your're gonna miss me, 13th Floor Elevators or Bad Man, Oblivians.

Checked out the Black Eyed Snakes, "Good Woman Blues" and their cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Smokestack Lighting." That 's exactly the sound I am looking for. As for any pedals, I'd like to go with the real thing and take my chances with too much distortion. So I think I am going to stick with the Green Bullet. As for telephone mics, that's not quite what I had in mind though I am sure they would have their applications. Thanks to everyone for your input. You've been very helpful.

I guess what I was trying to say is that if the sound is what you want, get the real thing rather than a stomp box.

However, the good thing about the stomp box is that you'll be able to dial down the effect as well as turn it on and off when you need. There's at least two other effects on there, distortion and radio that give a similar sound which might suit you better. Also, there's nothing to stop you from adding some reverb/delay on at the same time.

As Mr Occhio said, telephones also make nice mics and they also look cool, especially if you get a coily cable for it. Check out Bob Log III and Mika Miko for examples of that.

Well, the thing is Pete I am not sure if that is the sound I am after. I have a pretty good inkling it is, but if you read my post, I was asking, also, if anybody had any experience or links to tracks that utilized the effect so I could get a better idea. Pete said:

John White said:

Check out the Boss VE-20 vocal foot pedal, you can do many different sounds with it. It has a distortion setting that I'm sure can create that effect if you play with it enough.

I just watched a youtube video, and apparantly there's a preset on the VE-20 that's called 'Harmonica', which is meant to mimic a Green Bullet. Pretty interesting, but if the green bullet sound is what you're after, just buy the mic!

Thanks Mike. I'll check 'em out. Mike Gallows said:

Yeah. They are pretty dope for vocals. You can check out the BLACK EYED SNAKES. They used one alot.

I remember watching the dvd with my sister, who's a huge stones fan, myself being a huge Who fan. Despite my constant taunting and razzing, when the Who hit the screen she was blown away and admitted they were amazing and that the stones must've shitted themselves seeing them (which is what happened).

OH dear.. ROCKIN ROD SAID... ''Ok, I've never seen it and I really don't like it when people assume that everybody here has seen and heard everything and know every little thing about culture.'' ETC ETC... M8.. get off yer high horse.. what the fuck are u talkin about>!>!>! Im just talkin, throwin in names... jesus. oh theres one, he was a dude from long time back, long hair and supposedly done tons o shit,, check him out!

M8, u can always not get involved, u know... not reply.. I cant be bothered with your hang ups.. Is this site so weird people have to attack anything that doesnt turn clockwise in their world.. who are you anyway?

Ok, I've never seen it and I really don't like it when people assume that everybody here has seen and heard everything and know every little thing about culture. So far, most everybody here doesn't assume that and usually even asks if anybody's heard this or that or seen this or that. I'm sorry but you seem to have a habvit so far of thinking that EVERYBODY knows what you're talking about...like that Edward Elger comment. I don't know who the hell he is or was, but Benjamin was cool to get a wikipedia link going so now I know, but even he was like "is this the right guy?" C'mon! Reference your posts! Ross Jesus Navaro Richards said:

jagger has demon tattoos on the rocknroll circus set, he pulls his shirt off during synpathy for the devil, near the end, and said tattoos dance. it's actually realy cool..

Songs written by who to fast track them through the pearly gates.....

Ok! Here goes. Q: St Peter : So Mr Lux Interior. What have you done that has been and done for the overall good of man and mankind??? Lux Interior: A well sir I did write Can Your Pussy Do The Dog, and Jackyard Backoff.......  St Peter: Can't argue with that sir! Enjoy your stay.....

Who else has a pass go and collect 200 dollars card in the Rawk world???

I love the "Owww!" at the beginning of The Oblivians "Pin Stripe Willie" Not sure which one of them sings that song as I can never tell Greg and Eric apart unless I'm actually watching them sing. Jack on the other hand sounds way diffrent than the later two.