Records that at least try and suggest sollutions would be those by Public Enemy, KRS - 1, or De La Soul but those would be any of their records from between 1987-1991. I guess a lot of those that followed gave up on sollutions and got into the mindset of "every person for themself" and the LIFESTYLE, and how do I get more. I stated I never listened to a lot of rap but that doesn't mean I didn't listen to any and I also read a lot about it mostly just to check up on what's going on.

Didn't deedee have the house of rap? Before he was with gg allin? Didn't he own a tennament block or something? i believe he was really into it and wanted to promote it to the world, but was maybe too early, and also it wasnt grandmaster flash etc.. it was his junkie friends?! Hell i dont know! i dont like it, it seems to have gone nowhere in 30 years. I am quite ignorant on it, but has there ever been an artist who sang about a solution?!+= Spain is varied, u have the chart lovers who all go about bling bling, u have kids under flyovers skateboarding and talking about no cash for glue, u have gitana- gypsies- and u have new world beats... bottom line for me, its all the same, the content has no solution, same breaks, down beat or other, same intros and vocal length, same recordings, like i say i am ignorant, maybe i need to be woken up, i really dont mind an eye opener.. send rants and raves, or indeed requests to what i should hear.. i welcome all.

While I didn't listen to a lot of Rap music, I liked what I heard between 1985 to about 1990. Mostly Run-DMC, Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, LL Cool Jay, I guess a lot of the early Def Jam things. Also liked Ice T and the first NWA record. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one. I only own 3 rap records however and they're all Beastie Boys.

Jurassic 5! Listening to 50 cent and saying you like hip hop is like listening to Avril Lavigne and saying you like punk rock.

Sonic Boom 6 do a great ska punk hip hop fusion along with Kingprawn although Kingprawn are no more. The Clash experimented a bit with rap and of course then so did Tim Armstrong, not least with the Transplands.

It's tricky to know exactly where the "urban music" thing wears off I mean Red Hot Chilli Peppers were a punk band that experimented with funk but are now a rock band playing around with funk and rap.

Check out acid jazz, the genre is a generally British jazz hip hop fusion that doesn't have the bullshit of gangster rap and sounds good to chill out to.

Cruel To Be Kind by Nick Lowe

That sir is a motherfuckin great selection! I also love their version of Born To Be Wild, has balls and intensity, rather than a cool tune. I must go with In like a shot from my gun, or some of the earlier pre galm stuff.. gospel according to rasputin etc.. And i wish Don Powell had more studio time, he was a great writer! It changes like most people every day or month haha, but these songs have stuck with me for 30 years or more,...

Yes sir! thats him, and although not as punk as other pre birthed, he had it tight enough to say fuck u! With punk attitude in the mind, he wrote a lil' piece called the wagon, i think at less than 1.40 minutes long, a celebration of childhood. A reflection perhaps, Its in Nursery Suite..
The stones recorded quite alot for the show, truth be told it is crap! The tapes circulating are hard evidence, But that bit when jagger pulls of his shirt to see devil tattoos and demons over his body is fuckin god like! Punk as!

I can dig what you are saying man... do you mean this edward elgar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Elgar ? Ross Jesus Navaro Richards said:

Keith Moon often rambled about speaking with the horned one, on the other hand, said horned one is afraid of keef Richards. I was too young at the time, and in a different country, But what i see now is, the who were punk, like Kinks, but the stones were dangerous.. A different kind of threat. And what about Edward Elgar.. first English punk? Two fingers up to everything...

Keith Moon often rambled about speaking with the horned one, on the other hand, said horned one is afraid of keef Richards. I was too young at the time, and in a different country, But what i see now is, the who were punk, like Kinks, but the stones were dangerous.. A different kind of threat. And what about Edward Elgar.. first English punk? Two fingers up to everything...

Johnny Paradox said:

however, I love gothic literature and music. However I also love punk style and

Did anyone mention Einstürzende Neubauten ? Guess you should check their 80's stuff (even if some call it more indus than goth).
And what about Killing Joke first 2 lp and singles ?
Early Wall of Voodoo (Stan Ridgway period) should be tried too if you ain't afraid of mixing Suicide with country music !

About Bauhaus, I really loved them when I was a kid but I can't listen to them anymore...much too arty and Bowiesque to my dirty old ears...
About the intro of "Bela Lugosi's dead" picked up by The Dirtbombs in their "Kung-Fu" version, Jay Reatard did the same thing in "Blood visions" (the song).
About The Sisters of Mercy, if you ain't dead of too much laughing after listening to their "First and last and always" lp, you'd better try the first eps, especially the one with "Alice" and their cover of "1969". Those eps are also gathered in the "Some girls wander by mistake" cd. But, once again, you may laugh more than cry... which is quite a pity for a wannabe dark and romantic goth !

About the bands that deals with dark and horror themes, you can't forget the kings of Psychobilly : The Meteors !

At last, I would say better forget about all these not so great bands, who probably used to spend more time fixing their dark mascara and blood red lipstick than practicing witchcraft in spooky cemetaries under the full moon, and please check each and every stuff with Steve Pallow or Haunted George in !!!

Then you might like TSOL from 1982-1984 and of course the Misfits. Johnny Paradox said:

Okay, so I dress goth, however, I love gothic literature and music. However I also love punk style and incorporate a lot of that into my clothing as well.. horrorpunk I suppose? LOL

Names like Lightnin' Hopkins would go under H, since Hopkins is a typical last name and indeed was his real last name (his first name was Sam). Same with Mississippi Fred McDowell, which would go under M since that's his last name. "Mississippi" is just a nickname. Muddy Waters (since that's not his real name and "Waters" is not technically his last name) would go under M for "Muddy." Howlin' Wolf would go under H. Barbecue Bob under Ba, Roasting Banana Joe under R, but Bo Diddley, though, I file under "D" because a lot of people think that's his real name. Maybe it should go under B? Who knows for sure! I guess that one is a toss-up. My Teenage Shutdown rule only applies to Teenage Shutdown comps (I really wish Crypt had just made that the name of the series instead of the faux label name). All the rest go alphabetically by title. The screamin' Soul Preacher said:

And What about the bluesmen ? Lightnin' Hopkins, Muddy Waters, Screamin' Joe Neal, Mississippi Fred Mc Dowell, Barbecue Bob and Roasting Banana Joe ...
About comps, where do you file "Psycho Serenade" and "Four Hairy Policemen" for example ? Under W as "Wavy Gravy" as you would do for the "Teenage Shutdown" serie or...???
Ouch ! My head aches...
That's why I've stopped filing my records long years ago !!!
But now I'm lost in a labyrinth of records and I can't get out !!! Lps and cds are still "pretty easy" to find when I'm not too loaded but I can't search a 7 inch one week long without finding it and I admit that's quite a problem when you're deejaying !!!

ooh! my bad, it says 300 discs. meant to be 3000, means nuthin to you, but to me an the missus its an extra 3 inches haha!

i have around 300 discs, its so dis organized, its organised. My boot's are the same, Buddy Holly hotel demos next to seeds gigs.. Next to Morisons last words, Ramones talkin about glue sniffers in Edinburgh, I break it up with robots and space ships, and some psyche art... 4 walls, window only space not with discs, my film room is the same, Japanese, American, Europe, Rough idea of the genre, but thats it. Er no, lol.. I don't!

And What about the bluesmen ? Lightnin' Hopkins, Muddy Waters, Screamin' Joe Neal, Mississippi Fred Mc Dowell, Barbecue Bob and Roasting Banana Joe ...
About comps, where do you file "Psycho Serenade" and "Four Hairy Policemen" for example ? Under W as "Wavy Gravy" as you would do for the "Teenage Shutdown" serie or...???
Ouch ! My head aches...
That's why I've stopped filing my records long years ago !!!
But now I'm lost in a labyrinth of records and I can't get out !!! Lps and cds are still "pretty easy" to find when I'm not too loaded but I can't search a 7 inch one week long without finding it and I admit that's quite a problem when you're deejaying !!!

Tame & Civilized live with Matthew Matt said:

Me too! I'll need to come up with a clever name for it if it works out like Michael Kaiser...

SnyderMan said:

I am excited about some LIVE PORK!!

Me too! I'll need to come up with a clever name for it if it works out like Michael Kaiser... SnyderMan said:

I am excited about some LIVE PORK!!

I am excited about some LIVE PORK!!

I had some tasty livers at Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles last week... High Lord Mardy Pune said:

I like my kidney's. You can have my liver... it smells kinda rotten at the mo tho...

I like my kidney's. You can have my liver... it smells kinda rotten at the mo tho...

Send your kidneys to Matt!

I've seen SUNRA a couple times, i'm still up there! NATIONAL HARVESTER, a pre Pink Floyd Hawkwind group from Sweden, more glue than anything, but some really strange, U can see the connections, I think that Matching Mole's Caroline is a nice and tasty nugget, paints yer room a different colour anyway! Gong the 3rd lp in trilogy 'YOU' is nice, and quite flowing, OM playing conference of the birds is super killer.. AS Terry Riley church of Anthrax.. Brian Eno?

Go get some!

Ranger Sound, I Bubblegum... I like, original language, if i can't understand it i use it as another instrument, the highs and lows of the tonal segments.. fuckin great! Some South American covers of Stones songs blow the originals away, I think the percentage of groups have to sing in English, as that is world standard, but to those who can't communicate without out mother tongue, its a blessing also, as they can pour out what ever stories they have with passion!

Well he's doing a book tour...I guess this thread would be better for people who aren't in the States.