Right! We all know the music we dig and love. We all love the 'Gnarl' we all love 'dat Beat!' BUT...... I have one huge confession to make tho! I've never ever liked the Randy Alvez song 'Green Fuzz' not even when Lux an Ivy gave it 'the treatment' Just never got into it or got it. Any other confessions out there??? Brothers and Sisters... 'Kick out the Jams'. Gerr'it off yer chest.

Can this thread be refurbished?
I think it is worth saving! 
Cool topic! 

I´ve been misunderstanding you first, sorry!
Not sure what you mean but sounds funny!
:D

Psychiatric Consultations said:

OK---I Give Up---It was me--- I Did it----Its my Fault---Sorry----OK

Had to get that off my chest!

 

OK---I Give Up---It was me--- I Did it----Its my Fault---Sorry----OK

Had to get that off my chest!

John Carlucci said:

    I think I have some expertise on this  particular topic and can shed some light on the situation having been in this band for 5 years when they were in their prime.... Yes, Rudi stole the entire image from The Music Machine. The Fuzztones started as a novelty side band to his "real" band, Tina Peel. Tina Peel wore matching outfits of stripes, polka dots & checkers and Rudi played a Carvin Les Paul copy.  The funny thing is that the novelty side band went over better than his main band, so he kept doing it.  He pieces his bands together by whoever is available, then dresses them up to fit his "image". He tells them what guitars to play, what clothes to wear & how to cut their hair. In some cases, he had dudes that were bald, so he made them wear wigs.  Some of his band mates knew nothing at all about garage music, and were basically hard rock dudes that he molded to fit the look.  I was from a Punk Rock background & had my most success to that point as a member of the Power Pop band, The Speedies. The most amazing thing about the line-up of the Fuzztones when I was in the band is that despite Rudi, the other 4 of us had amazing chemistry & we took the band to a different place. Try as he did to control us, I did not work. I am & always have been a non-conformist. We had the chops & the spirit to put on an amazing live show.  But the original songs Rudi wrote were nothing compared to the covers we did. You have to realize that in the 80's the internet did not exist. It was not that easy to find these rare songs by bands like The Sonics & 13th Floor Elevators. A lot of people did not realize we were doing covers back then.  This was their first exposure to this genre. So now you have young bands emulating what we did while we were emulating what came before. IMO The Ramones & Cramps are in a different league, They had their own voice & did something more original than we did. We tried, but it was an uphill battle the entire time. 

Is it possible to call them "a Music Machine wannabee"-band just for a single glove used by a young Rudi, while on the other hand, still today, you hve bunch of bands wearing bones-chains a la Fuzztones? Are they Fuzztones wannabee bands?? I´m confused...  
(but hell, it may be!.. ;)

    I think I have some expertise on this  particular topic and can shed some light on the situation having been in this band for 5 years when they were in their prime.... Yes, Rudi stole the entire image from The Music Machine. The Fuzztones started as a novelty side band to his "real" band, Tina Peel. Tina Peel wore matching outfits of stripes, polka dots & checkers and Rudi played a Carvin Les Paul copy.  The funny thing is that the novelty side band went over better than his main band, so he kept doing it.  He pieces his bands together by whoever is available, then dresses them up to fit his "image". He tells them what guitars to play, what clothes to wear & how to cut their hair. In some cases, he had dudes that were bald, so he made them wear wigs.  Some of his band mates knew nothing at all about garage music, and were basically hard rock dudes that he molded to fit the look.  I was from a Punk Rock background & had my most success to that point as a member of the Power Pop band, The Speedies. The most amazing thing about the line-up of the Fuzztones when I was in the band is that despite Rudi, the other 4 of us had amazing chemistry & we took the band to a different place. Try as he did to control us, I did not work. I am & always have been a non-conformist. We had the chops & the spirit to put on an amazing live show.  But the original songs Rudi wrote were nothing compared to the covers we did. You have to realize that in the 80's the internet did not exist. It was not that easy to find these rare songs by bands like The Sonics & 13th Floor Elevators. A lot of people did not realize we were doing covers back then.  This was their first exposure to this genre. So now you have young bands emulating what we did while we were emulating what came before. IMO The Ramones & Cramps are in a different league, They had their own voice & did something more original than we did. We tried, but it was an uphill battle the entire time. 

Is it possible to call them "a Music Machine wannabee"-band just for a single glove used by a young Rudi, while on the other hand, still today, you hve bunch of bands wearing bones-chains a la Fuzztones? Are they Fuzztones wannabee bands?? I´m confused...  
(but hell, it may be!.. ;)

I liked some of it at the time , not much , but , I'd see people who ONLY listened to HC.  WTF , Y'KNOW?
I had a radio show in the 80's , MOSTLY ROCKABILLY AND GARAGE , BUT , I'D PLAY ALL KINDS OF STUFF....And these Hardcore fans would be such babies , insisting I play some Hardcore , when the HC show had the best slot of the week (Sat . Aft. , 2 to 5) , and I was on at worst slot , Monday morning  , 2 TO 4 am. THEY NEEDED IT THAT FAST , THAT LATE ? They're probably all into "Garage" , now , what they think is Garage.... THE STUFF THAT BORDERS ON HARDCORE OR BADLY PLAYED PUNK. If you're Deejaying Rock'n'Roll , in clubs or the radio , do it because you love it , because the money is scarce and accolades are few.  I'd say , tho' , if you're not really enjoying those records , take the money and run. Someone is bound to enjoy them , more.

Mr Yates said:

I can't listen to any of that early 80's hardcore political punk rock anymore.

Back in the day I used to love it. I have a pile of Aussie punk in the record collection, I used to go to the gigs.  Even filled in on the Punk rock radio show from time to time on 3-PBS-FM from time to time.  Fuck, I even got tattooed by Smeer of Depression.

I don't want to say it but it bores me now. Some of the vinyl has sold for big bucks on eBay (thank you crazy Japanese record collectors). Maybe I will sell it all off, maybe not, I do know I will not be listening to it.

Just go to any farm and listen to a tractor going up a hill. Thats essentially wot old Bob sounds like. Can't see what the fuss is all about maself either!

Arlita said:

I've never heard a Bob Dylan song...and i don't really care. 

i hate ballroom blitz, why would anyone make such an ridiculously awful song?

Tersicore , I found the line of questioning from the so -called "Fans" of Mary Woronov (Who's a classy lady , with a blunt sense of humor , much like in her films.) really inappropriate.    It's not that I'm a "Prude" , what I mean is , just because she worked with The Ramones and The Velvets does'nt mean she slept with any of them , and , if she had , that is'nt really anyone's business.      And , yes, I believe MOST people would've slept with Nico , over the others , back then ......But, those were the only types of questions anybody asked her, THAT , I FOUND EMBARRASSING , FOR HER SAKE  . She handled it as well as anybody could have , without being rude in return ,  but , it was really kind of insulting , you want to talk about brats , that's who she had to answer to.

As for deep - voiced women , HA HA , I guess it really depends , I'm probably leaving someone out that I DO like......
 
Tersicore said:

Well I can´t stand very high voices, (such as of screaming brats;)
this may be the reason why i even like deep-voiced women.
But ok, i understand that for men is quite different!

And John, 
of the whole Factory i would personally prefer to have had sex with Nico than with one of the others. No, ok, maybe Lou at that time.
(but why embarrassing??)

Well I can´t stand very high voices, (such as of screaming brats;)
this may be the reason why i even like deep-voiced women.
But ok, i understand that for men is quite different!

And John, 
of the whole Factory i would personally prefer to have had sex with Nico than with one of the others. No, ok, maybe Lou at that time.
(but why embarrassing??)

i don't like deep voiced women as a general rule , but I do like Gale Garnett.

To Tersicore: I saw Mary Woronov , once , and it was embarrassing. She did a question and answer thing , and people asked her the stupidest questions imaginable , like  "Which members of The Ramones did you have sex with?"   "NONE!!!!!" .....Then , someone asked , "Which members of The Velvet Underground did you sleep with?"   She said , "Well , of course , NONE ! But , Nico asked me if I'd like to sleep with her , and she was a beautiful woman , but , I don't like women , so , I said , no.

I guess I don't really like deep voiced women. It sounds like it'd be an interesting story though.

Tersicore said:

Au contraire!... I´m totally shooooooocked!! Outch!  

You say you don´t like Nico´s singing?, OK, I´m fine with IT and I´m not picking at you!! But I can tell you something: She had such a beautiful voice while talking!!! So sexy and deep...  I was lucky enough to spend a whole night with her (No! not having sex with her, you perverts!!).  But a lot better: Alk, stuff and talk...whatever, none of your business ;)   more important then her strong voice: she was simply such a beautiful person!! You would love her voice that much as well, if you just got to know her! :)
Rest in Peace, Christa. :*

TipplerMario said:

I don't think this will be shocking but, I hate everything The Velvet Underground did with Nico, I hate it, I can't stand it, is it her voice, idk, I just don't like it.

Yeah, it's good to be interested/involved with politics, but please keep it out of my music! One of the many reason why I can't stand Crass.

Mr Yates said:

I can't listen to any of that early 80's hardcore political punk rock anymore.

Back in the day I used to love it. I have a pile of Aussie punk in the record collection, I used to go to the gigs.  Even filled in on the Punk rock radio show from time to time on 3-PBS-FM from time to time.  Fuck, I even got tattooed by Smeer of Depression.

I don't want to say it but it bores me now. Some of the vinyl has sold for big bucks on eBay (thank you crazy Japanese record collectors). Maybe I will sell it all off, maybe not, I do know I will not be listening to it.

I've never heard a Bob Dylan song...and i don't really care. 

I can't listen to any of that early 80's hardcore political punk rock anymore.

Back in the day I used to love it. I have a pile of Aussie punk in the record collection, I used to go to the gigs.  Even filled in on the Punk rock radio show from time to time on 3-PBS-FM from time to time.  Fuck, I even got tattooed by Smeer of Depression.

I don't want to say it but it bores me now. Some of the vinyl has sold for big bucks on eBay (thank you crazy Japanese record collectors). Maybe I will sell it all off, maybe not, I do know I will not be listening to it.

Au contraire!... I´m totally shooooooocked!! Outch!  

You say you don´t like Nico´s singing?, OK, I´m fine with IT and I´m not picking at you!! But I can tell you something: She had such a beautiful voice while talking!!! So sexy and deep...  I was lucky enough to spend a whole night with her (No! not having sex with her, you perverts!!).  But a lot better: Alk, stuff and talk...whatever, none of your business ;)   more important then her strong voice: she was simply such a beautiful person!! You would love her voice that much as well, if you just got to know her! :)
Rest in Peace, Christa. :*

TipplerMario said:

I don't think this will be shocking but, I hate everything The Velvet Underground did with Nico, I hate it, I can't stand it, is it her voice, idk, I just don't like it.

Is it possible to call them "a Music Machine wannabee"-band just for a single glove used by a young Rudi, while on the other hand, still today, you have bunch of bands wearing bones-chains a la Fuzztones? Are they Fuzztones wannabee bands?? I´m confused...  
(but hell, it may be!.. ;)

Unfortunately my english is not that good, so I´m not sure to understand the rest.. BUT accidentally, I did compare them as well to Cramps or Ramones (or Gun Club or a few more)  in the past, just, not in their look!! But in their vigor? In their generate of energy live?  in the (lot of) gigs i´ve been witness, (since  mid 80s)?.. their coolness, their singularity?
Hell! Yeah! Nobody can tell me they are a "cover-band"!! They are TOO special!!

John Battles said:

Well , specifically , in The US. I KNOW THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN HUGE IN EUROPE. It's just always been cool to call 'em a Music Machine wannabee in the clothing department (When their look leaned just as heavy on The Cramps and The Ramones , I always thought.). So , they don't sound like they're playing guitar with their dicks. that makes 'em BAD? In the 80's , Garage meant , copy Pebbles songs ,or Brit R'n'B ,  not much else. Today , it means all kinds of things that have NOTHING to do with Garage , and some things that do. Rudi's still doing what he 's always done , the way The Cramps and The Ramones still did their thing , dig it or don't.        

 
Tersicore said:

Hey John,

"It's never been cool to like The Fuzztones" Where??
Do you mean here in GHP? or in the USA? 
In Europe is always been cool to love The Fuzztones and we still love them!!
And I´m sure I can speak for the most.
They shaped a whole generation here. Me included! :)
..and their gigs are still great!!

John Battles said:

Yeah , exactly. I'm not saying everything Childish did was shit , but , he was the "Garage " act that people who know nothing about this music gravitated toward in the 90's , in particular. A couple of carefully curated comps , like the one Sub Pop did , might cast him in a better light , but he did more records than Frank Zappa 20 years ago.

Chesterfield Kings , I liked to a point. They were always inconsistent , live. They could be great, or terrible. I never bought any of their records , except a bootleg from the first tour i saw them on , in '88.      Fuzztones , I still like. Maybe not everything , but "Salt For Zombies" was probably the best thing they ever did. It's never been cool to like The Fuzztones , which kind of makes me like them , more. There's very GOOD FOOTAGE On YOU tUBE  of their recent gig in Italy.   I kind of felt I was being put on with The Mummies , tho' I can take a joke. People take them seriously , now.   When I saw The Gories , in 1990 , opening for The Gibson Bros. , I was the only person standing in front of the stage . Everyone else was in the rear of the club.... I knew they were on to something , but their legend loomed larger in death. Now that they have reformed , they're playing to hundreds of people a throw, many too young to have seen them the first time around. And , they were kind enough to ask me to open for them , two years ago. I sort of felt like they must have , in 1990 , but , WE WERE ALL THERE TO HAVE FUN. There's still this innocence about The Gories. They are not Rock Stars , and they do not have a master plan. "It's Rock'n'Roll , and the message is DO IT ! TO IT !".
dave said:

Can't stand the Fuzztones or Chesterfield Kings, in fact most 80s 'garage bands' just make me cringe. Didn't like new stuff 'til the Mummies/Gories for the most part.

Oh, and John, I'm with ya about the Childish thang. You could prolly make about 4 compilation LPs of related stuff, but jeez, enuff!

Well , specifically , in The US. I KNOW THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN HUGE IN EUROPE. It's just always been cool to call 'em a Music Machine wannabee in the clothing department (When their look leaned just as heavy on The Cramps and The Ramones , I always thought.). So , they don't sound like they're playing guitar with their dicks , and Rudi can sing  ,  that makes 'em BAD? In the 80's , Garage meant , copy Pebbles songs ,or Brit R'n'B ,  not much else. Today , it means all kinds of things that have NOTHING to do with Garage , and some things that do. Rudi's still doing what he 's always done , the way The Cramps and The Ramones still did their thing , dig it or don't.        

 
Tersicore said:

Hey John,

"It's never been cool to like The Fuzztones" Where??
Do you mean here in GHP? or in the USA? 
In Europe is always been cool to love The Fuzztones and we still love them!!
And I´m sure I can speak for the most.
They shaped a whole generation here. Me included! :)
..and their gigs are still great!!

John Battles said:

Yeah , exactly. I'm not saying everything Childish did was shit , but , he was the "Garage " act that people who know nothing about this music gravitated toward in the 90's , in particular. A couple of carefully curated comps , like the one Sub Pop did , might cast him in a better light , but he did more records than Frank Zappa 20 years ago.

Chesterfield Kings , I liked to a point. They were always inconsistent , live. They could be great, or terrible. I never bought any of their records , except a bootleg from the first tour i saw them on , in '88.      Fuzztones , I still like. Maybe not everything , but "Salt For Zombies" was probably the best thing they ever did. It's never been cool to like The Fuzztones , which kind of makes me like them , more. There's very GOOD FOOTAGE On YOU tUBE  of their recent gig in Italy.   I kind of felt I was being put on with The Mummies , tho' I can take a joke. People take them seriously , now.   When I saw The Gories , in 1990 , opening for The Gibson Bros. , I was the only person standing in front of the stage . Everyone else was in the rear of the club.... I knew they were on to something , but their legend loomed larger in death. Now that they have reformed , they're playing to hundreds of people a throw, many too young to have seen them the first time around. And , they were kind enough to ask me to open for them , two years ago. I sort of felt like they must have , in 1990 , but , WE WERE ALL THERE TO HAVE FUN. There's still this innocence about The Gories. They are not Rock Stars , and they do not have a master plan. "It's Rock'n'Roll , and the message is DO IT ! TO IT !".
dave said:

Can't stand the Fuzztones or Chesterfield Kings, in fact most 80s 'garage bands' just make me cringe. Didn't like new stuff 'til the Mummies/Gories for the most part.

Oh, and John, I'm with ya about the Childish thang. You could prolly make about 4 compilation LPs of related stuff, but jeez, enuff!

One more confession:
I can´t stand Jazz-music!!
Except for some influence in bands like Lounge Lizards or other few No-Wave bands.
Mea culpa, sorry!

Hey John,

"It's never been cool to like The Fuzztones" Where??
Do you mean here in GHP? or in the USA? 
In Europe is always been cool to love The Fuzztones and we still love them!!
And I´m sure I can speak for the most.
They shaped a whole generation here. Me included! :)
..and their gigs are still great!!

John Battles said:

Yeah , exactly. I'm not saying everything Childish did was shit , but , he was the "Garage " act that people who know nothing about this music gravitated toward in the 90's , in particular. A couple of carefully curated comps , like the one Sub Pop did , might cast him in a better light , but he did more records than Frank Zappa 20 years ago.

Chesterfield Kings , I liked to a point. They were always inconsistent , live. They could be great, or terrible. I never bought any of their records , except a bootleg from the first tour i saw them on , in '88.      Fuzztones , I still like. Maybe not everything , but "Salt For Zombies" was probably the best thing they ever did. It's never been cool to like The Fuzztones , which kind of makes me like them , more. There's very GOOD FOOTAGE On YOU tUBE  of their recent gig in Italy.   I kind of felt I was being put on with The Mummies , tho' I can take a joke. People take them seriously , now.   When I saw The Gories , in 1990 , opening for The Gibson Bros. , I was the only person standing in front of the stage . Everyone else was in the rear of the club.... I knew they were on to something , but their legend loomed larger in death. Now that they have reformed , they're playing to hundreds of people a throw, many too young to have seen them the first time around. And , they were kind enough to ask me to open for them , two years ago. I sort of felt like they must have , in 1990 , but , WE WERE ALL THERE TO HAVE FUN. There's still this innocence about The Gories. They are not Rock Stars , and they do not have a master plan. "It's Rock'n'Roll , and the message is DO IT ! TO IT !".
dave said:

Can't stand the Fuzztones or Chesterfield Kings, in fact most 80s 'garage bands' just make me cringe. Didn't like new stuff 'til the Mummies/Gories for the most part.

Oh, and John, I'm with ya about the Childish thang. You could prolly make about 4 compilation LPs of related stuff, but jeez, enuff!

Cute, it's got that inept feel to the music, be good wit some Norton novelty stuff.

Love the video and the Super-8 look.

Not sure if this has proven you wrong mate, but wot a tune and band.

dave said:

I think most (but not all) music made since Bush stole the Presidency is crap, esp. in various punk genres. (It's just a handy reference point :D )

And yes, I would love to be proven wrong.

Been some killer metal, though.

I think most (but not all) music made since Bush stole the Presidency is crap, esp. in various punk genres. (It's just a handy reference point :D )

And yes, I would love to be proven wrong.

Been some killer metal, though.

That's a very diverse cross - section of stuff to not like. In a majority of cases , but , not all of them , I agree wholeheartedly. Ofcourse , I have to ask , what kind of band calls themselves Animal Collective or Neutral Milk Hotel? Or LCD Soundsystem ? I dunno.
 
Alison said:

I just don't like The Doors, Radiohead, Elvis Costello, The Smiths, The Who, The White Stripes, Neutral Milk Hotel, Robin Hitchcock, The Grateful Dead, LCD Soundsystem, Minor Threat, The Strokes, Doo Wop music, Half Japanese, the Mooney Suzuki, Wilco, Roxy Music, Animal Collective, Kiss, Pere Ubu, modern Rockabilly music, Bad Religion, Beat Happening, DMZ, Belle and Sebastian, Can, the Chesterfield Kings, ska music, Black Flag, They Might Be Giants, Elliot Smith, The Hives, the Blues Magoos, Pussy Galore, Cabaret Voltaire, AC/DC, the Residents, Big Star, the Dead Kennedys, the Yeah,Yeah,Yeahs, the Black Keys, Mark Sultan, Husker Du, Rap music, Pearl Jam, Captain Beefheart, the Dwarves, Led Zeppelin, or the Black Lips.

Whew! Nice to get that off my chest.