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    • June 29, 2010 10:42 PM CDT
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      Hmm....I always considered Jesus and Mary Chain more like shoegazer but their vocals were too mechanical. Probably that's the goth-y part.
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      Jesus and Mary Chain are pretty good. Also, Fuck Morrissey. I got tricked into going to a Smith's night at some stupid hipster bar where I live and it was absolutely horrible. Ruby Soleil said:
      Check out Jesus and Mary Chain. Early Goth tended to be more melancholy with catchy melodies than outright depressing and this Goth band reflects that. Morrissey ruined it for everyone so I don't recommend the Smiths or the Cure (although I could argue that The Cure is not Goth, but I'll let that one go). The rise in the Smiths popularity is when I got out of the habit of listening and following Goth music/scene/subculture. Empathizing with the music you listen to is a different event than letting yourself dissolve into depression and self loathing. Worst thing I ever saw was a little Goth boy letting himself be led around by a little Goth girl (and no she was not cute), by a leash that was hooked to the spiked dog collar around his neck, at of all places Rockfest in KC. And Manson is not Goth, though labeled as such as is all Death Metal and Thrash now a days it seems, but it's really not in my opinion. Lazy journalists. Us Goth kids in my day were never that angry-passive aggressive and spiteful yes, but we'd never raise a hand against anyone other than ourselves. Still love the culture, what with the toys on the market and all and movies influenced by Goth, like Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas. You might also explore steampunk, very Goth in a brown sort of Victorian way, the way the Goths chose the black and purple Victorian style, but less focused on the human condition. Style is key to being Goth, but don't lose a job over it, nothing worse than having to squat as previously mentioned in the thread. But yeah, check out Jesus and Mary chain they are one of my favorite Goth bands next to Bauhaus and the Damned. Also check out Love and Rockets, not Goth per se, but you might like them.
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      Rudimentary Peni's Cacophony is nice and gothy.

      It still holds up 20 years later (or more?).
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      Check out Jesus and Mary Chain. Early Goth tended to be more melancholy with catchy melodies than outright depressing and this Goth band reflects that. Morrissey ruined it for everyone so I don't recommend the Smiths or the Cure (although I could argue that The Cure is not Goth, but I'll let that one go). The rise in the Smiths popularity is when I got out of the habit of listening and following Goth music/scene/subculture. Empathizing with the music you listen to is a different event than letting yourself dissolve into depression and self loathing. Worst thing I ever saw was a little Goth boy letting himself be led around by a little Goth girl (and no she was not cute), by a leash that was hooked to the spiked dog collar around his neck, at of all places Rockfest in KC. And Manson is not Goth, though labeled as such as is all Death Metal and Thrash now a days it seems, but it's really not in my opinion. Lazy journalists. Us Goth kids in my day were never that angry-passive aggressive and spiteful yes, but we'd never raise a hand against anyone other than ourselves. Still love the culture, what with the toys on the market and all and movies influenced by Goth, like Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas. You might also explore steampunk, very Goth in a brown sort of Victorian way, the way the Goths chose the black and purple Victorian style, but less focused on the human condition. Style is key to being Goth, but don't lose a job over it, nothing worse than having to squat as previously mentioned in the thread. But yeah, check out Jesus and Mary chain they are one of my favorite Goth bands next to Bauhaus and the Damned. Also check out Love and Rockets, not Goth per se, but you might like them.
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      Is that right. Cool. He's on tour with the Gories in September. That will definetly be a cool bill. kopper said:
      Haunted George, in case you guys did not know, is also Uncle Yah-Yah, host of the Haunted Shack Theater podcast found right here on GaragePunk.com.

      Chessman said:
      I concur with SSP. The new Haunted George record kicks ass...

      "BLACK ROOOOOSSTTERRR SQQQUUUUUAAAAALLLLLLLSSSSS!!!!!!!!"
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      Haunted George, in case you guys did not know, is also Uncle Yah-Yah, host of the Haunted Shack Theater podcast found right here on GaragePunk.com. Chessman said:
      I concur with SSP. The new Haunted George record kicks ass...

      "BLACK ROOOOOSSTTERRR SQQQUUUUUAAAAALLLLLLLSSSSS!!!!!!!!"
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      Did anyone mention Einstürzende Neubauten ? Guess you should check their 80's stuff (even if some call it more indus than goth).
      And what about Killing Joke first 2 lp and singles ?
      Early Wall of Voodoo (Stan Ridgway period) should be tried too if you ain't afraid of mixing Suicide with country music !

      About Bauhaus, I really loved them when I was a kid but I can't listen to them anymore...much too arty and Bowiesque to my dirty old ears...
      About the intro of "Bela Lugosi's dead" picked up by The Dirtbombs in their "Kung-Fu" version, Jay Reatard did the same thing in "Blood visions" (the song).
      About The Sisters of Mercy, if you ain't dead of too much laughing after listening to their "First and last and always" lp, you'd better try the first eps, especially the one with "Alice" and their cover of "1969". Those eps are also gathered in the "Some girls wander by mistake" cd. But, once again, you may laugh more than cry... which is quite a pity for a wannabe dark and romantic goth !

      About the bands that deals with dark and horror themes, you can't forget the kings of Psychobilly : The Meteors !

      At last, I would say better forget about all these not so great bands, who probably used to spend more time fixing their dark mascara and blood red lipstick than practicing witchcraft in spooky cemetaries under the full moon, and please check each and every stuff with Steve Pallow or Haunted George in !!!
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      Then you might like TSOL from 1982-1984 and of course the Misfits. Johnny Paradox said:
      Okay, so I dress goth, however, I love gothic literature and music. However I also love punk style and incorporate a lot of that into my clothing as well.. horrorpunk I suppose? LOL
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      Okay, so I dress goth, however, I love gothic literature and music. However I also love punk style and incorporate a lot of that into my clothing as well.. horrorpunk I suppose? LOL
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      Lydia Lunch is over rated. Rockin Rod Strychnine said:
      That was pretty interesting. I never knew that Suicide was considered part of New York's No Wave scene seeing as it was common to find them sharing stages with the Ramones, Television, The Voidoids, and other New York bands who stood out from each other. As noisy and arty as they were, I always thought they were more talented than bands like the Contortions and Teen Age Jesus and the Jerks (I think Lydia Lunch is over rated).

      kopper said:
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      That was pretty interesting. I never knew that Suicide was considered part of New York's No Wave scene seeing as it was common to find them sharing stages with the Ramones, Television, The Voidoids, and other New York bands who stood out from each other. As noisy and arty as they were, I always thought they were more talented than bands like the Contortions and Teen Age Jesus and the Jerks (I think Lydia Lunch is over rated). kopper said:
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      I'm not a huge L&R fan, but there is a cool shot of Daniel Ash playing a vintage Hagstrom Futurama somewhere about 3:30 and he's fucking wearing gloves to boot. I like the song when I'm at a club, I mean ...it's better than the hotel californee. I find that goth punks tend to come across and use great instruments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SBs0g7qF-s
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      Click here for All You Ever Wanted to Know About No Wave But Were Afraid to Ask. You may be right about Ty Segall. I guess I sorta got on a role and included him without really thinking. I didn't really consider the subject matter of his songs, more just the general feeling of the music. But I still think Johnny should check him out. I like him better than Jay Reatard's solo stuff (although the Reatards [band] shit is top-notch!). SlimESQ said:
      What exactly is no-wave? I mean I know all labels are vague, flexible, and sometimes ubiquitously meaningless, but I've heard no-wave a lot and never really had any idea or had any bands come into my head. Bands? Time period?

      Also you find Ty Segall to be dark? I'd have to agree with whoever said he's a more positive, well-adjusted version of Jay Reatard.....happy go lucky west coast surfer + psycho garage rocker

      kopper said:
      I still listen to Bauhaus now and then. It's funny... the Dirtbombs' version of "Kung Fu" (where they basically incorporate "Bela Lugosi's Dead" into a cover of Curtis Mayfield's classic soul number) actually got me listening to them again when Ultraglide in Black came out in 2001. Listened to that album right after it came out almost non-stop while driving to NYC just a month after 9/11 for Cavestomp. CLICK HERE to listen. I'd probably avoided Bauhaus since the mid-'80s before then. Tones on Tail, Lords of the New Church, Southern Death Cult, etc. I like Joy Division a lot, too. I remember having the "Black Planet" album by Sisters of Mercy back then, too, but I just can't listen to that stuff anymore without laughing.

      I guess the Damned could be considered goth punk, right? Still listen to them, although I've never been too crazy of their post-Strawberries stuff. Try Phantasmagoria, though. And once in a while I'll still listen to the Misfits, especially around Halloween (although I still prefer the Cramps). Do you like the Cramps? Not "goth" but they do sing about dead stuff, zombies, and whatnot. Kinda spooky! And the Mummies, haha! ;)

      But seriously, here are some bands you should seek out. The following aren't typically considered "goth," more like dark-themed garage, punk/rock'n'roll, art punk, black metal, swamp rock, avant-garde, etc., but you might like them:

      T.S.O.L.
      The Wipers
      Gun Club
      Hoodoo Gurus
      Satan's Cheerleaders
      The Fiends
      Wire
      Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
      The Honeymoon Killers
      Poison 13
      The Gories (Mick Collins' band before the Dirtbombs)
      Dwarves (Horror Stories or Lick It LPs)
      Dead Moon
      Destruction Unit
      The Hex Dispensers
      Lost Sounds
      Suicide
      Roky Erickson & the Aliens
      The Horrors (from Cedar Rapids on In The Red Records, not the UK band)
      The Hunches
      The Blowtops
      Mystery Girls
      Television
      Modey Lemon
      The Monsters (The Lightning/Reverend Beat-Man's band!)
      The Fuzztones
      The Priests
      New Salem Witch Hunters
      The Nomads
      Radio Birdman
      The Nevermores
      Rocket From the Tombs
      The Original Sins
      Demon's Claws
      Cheater Slicks
      Black Time
      The Deadly Snakes
      The Fall
      The Screamers
      Crime
      Brian Eno
      The Mirrors
      The Daily Void
      The Gris Gris
      Subsonics
      The Vipers
      Ty Segall
      Haunted George (ha!)
      And you'd probably like the Black Lips, too, although you've probably already heard them. Try their earlier stuff, though.

      And for '60s stuff, try the Monks, Sean Bonniwell's Music Machine, Love, the Seeds, 13th Floor Elevators, the Calico Wall, Electric Prunes, the Haunted, Can, the Velvet Underground, Zakary Thaks, Them, Stooges, Godz, Captain Beefheart, early (Syd Barrett-era) Pink Floyd, the Omens, Pebbles comps, and, yeah, ok, the Doors. Oh, and Screaming Jay Hawkins. ;)

      I keep more or less that list handy whenever someone asks me if I like goth rock. I realize it's all over the place, but seriously, check some of them out if you haven't already. You might get sucked in!
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      What exactly is no-wave? I mean I know all labels are vague, flexible, and sometimes ubiquitously meaningless, but I've heard no-wave a lot and never really had any idea or had any bands come into my head. Bands? Time period? Also you find Ty Segall to be dark? I'd have to agree with whoever said he's a more positive, well-adjusted version of Jay Reatard.....happy go lucky west coast surfer + psycho garage rocker kopper said:
      I still listen to Bauhaus now and then. It's funny... the Dirtbombs' version of "Kung Fu" (where they basically incorporate "Bela Lugosi's Dead" into a cover of Curtis Mayfield's classic soul number) actually got me listening to them again when Ultraglide in Black came out in 2001. Listened to that album right after it came out almost non-stop while driving to NYC just a month after 9/11 for Cavestomp. CLICK HERE to listen. I'd probably avoided Bauhaus since the mid-'80s before then. Tones on Tail, Lords of the New Church, Southern Death Cult, etc. I like Joy Division a lot, too. I remember having the "Black Planet" album by Sisters of Mercy back then, too, but I just can't listen to that stuff anymore without laughing.

      I guess the Damned could be considered goth punk, right? Still listen to them, although I've never been too crazy of their post-Strawberries stuff. Try Phantasmagoria, though. And once in a while I'll still listen to the Misfits, especially around Halloween (although I still prefer the Cramps). Do you like the Cramps? Not "goth" but they do sing about dead stuff, zombies, and whatnot. Kinda spooky! And the Mummies, haha! ;)

      But seriously, here are some bands you should seek out. The following aren't typically considered "goth," more like dark-themed garage, punk/rock'n'roll, art punk, black metal, swamp rock, avant-garde, etc., but you might like them:

      T.S.O.L.
      The Wipers
      Gun Club
      Hoodoo Gurus
      Satan's Cheerleaders
      The Fiends
      Wire
      Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
      The Honeymoon Killers
      Poison 13
      The Gories (Mick Collins' band before the Dirtbombs)
      Dwarves (Horror Stories or Lick It LPs)
      Dead Moon
      Destruction Unit
      The Hex Dispensers
      Lost Sounds
      Suicide
      Roky Erickson & the Aliens
      The Horrors (from Cedar Rapids on In The Red Records, not the UK band)
      The Hunches
      The Blowtops
      Mystery Girls
      Television
      Modey Lemon
      The Monsters (The Lightning/Reverend Beat-Man's band!)
      The Fuzztones
      The Priests
      New Salem Witch Hunters
      The Nomads
      Radio Birdman
      The Nevermores
      Rocket From the Tombs
      The Original Sins
      Demon's Claws
      Cheater Slicks
      Black Time
      The Deadly Snakes
      The Fall
      The Screamers
      Crime
      Brian Eno
      The Mirrors
      The Daily Void
      The Gris Gris
      Subsonics
      The Vipers
      Ty Segall
      Haunted George (ha!)
      And you'd probably like the Black Lips, too, although you've probably already heard them. Try their earlier stuff, though.

      And for '60s stuff, try the Monks, Sean Bonniwell's Music Machine, Love, the Seeds, 13th Floor Elevators, the Calico Wall, Electric Prunes, the Haunted, Can, the Velvet Underground, Zakary Thaks, Them, Stooges, Godz, Captain Beefheart, early (Syd Barrett-era) Pink Floyd, the Omens, Pebbles comps, and, yeah, ok, the Doors. Oh, and Screaming Jay Hawkins. ;)

      I keep more or less that list handy whenever someone asks me if I like goth rock. I realize it's all over the place, but seriously, check some of them out if you haven't already. You might get sucked in!
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      And I really wouldn't challange Kopper on subject matters like what's a scene and what's a subculture. He knows more than Wikipedia.
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      Goth isn't just a scene, it's a way of life, hence, a subculture. Pretty much, a scene IS a subculture. If you're just talking about dressing in black, then you're talking about goth style, not subculture. And really, you don't want to be in that scene. It's just as bad as hanging out in a squatted house. Depressing. Johnny Paradox said:
      When I say subculture, I mean I like to dress in black, I am being myself. :) Emo is dead anyway. SCENE is what you're reffering to haha.

      kopper said:
      Fuck the subculture. Goths are about as annoying as emo kids. Just dig the music and be yourself.

      Johnny Paradox said:
      Thanks guys, I am just getting into the "Goth" subculture and the new tunes will be welcome :)
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      Jody Reynolds! Endless Sleep is pretty gothic, isn't it. S.Law said:
      jamie said:
      More important I think, is building music on tradition with a proper foundation based on the theory of rock and roll archetypes from the 50s and 60s.

      in that case, Jody Reynolds! anybody mention Christian Death? First album, the ones after are snoozers to me(tho they definately fit the depresso rock thing).

      Kilslug!
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      jamie said:
      More important I think, is building music on tradition with a proper foundation based on the theory of rock and roll archetypes from the 50s and 60s.
      in that case, Jody Reynolds! anybody mention Christian Death? First album, the ones after are snoozers to me(tho they definately fit the depresso rock thing). Kilslug!
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      In Australia we had groups like The Birthday Party, Moodists, Scientists, who went to England and did alot of gigs with those kind of British Goth bands like Bauhaus, Siouxsie, Sisters of Mercy etc. Locally the Birthday Party kind of sound was popular with lots of groups in the early 80s, such as Grong Grong, and Box of Fish, and described with words like "grunge" and "swamp". That kind of Gun Club/Cramps kind of vibe also crosses over with the uk Psychobilly scene, and groups like Alien Sex Fiend, Bone Orchard, and Sunglasses after Dark were fairly Gothic but included on a Psychobilly compilation album. Some British Anarcho Punk groups also cross over into Gothic a bit too, Squatting Hippie/Punks into Hawkwind and Crass and occult, stone henge insence crap. And the "Gothic Subculture" probably comes from the New Romantic clubbing scene (yuck).

      I don't think "Gothic" is a real genre as such, but is more of a dark vibe that you can overlay onto almost any music style. More important I think, is building music on tradition with a proper foundation based on the theory of rock and roll archetypes from the 50s and 60s.
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      Oh yeah, I think Deadbolt is worth a look as well.
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      Try Morbid Opera, a Florida band who mostly did stuff in the 80s. Female fronted band, their singer just died actually. I always thought they had a unique sound, a little more raw than the average band like this. Many of these bands are just too polished and full of themselves for my taste. I think their stuff is really hard to find now though.

      45 grave had some good punk/goth crossover type stuff going.

      Siouxsie and Bauhaus have always been hit or miss for me, but when they are good, they're really good.

      My other faves have already been named, though I wouldn't consider most of them goth other than some of the horror subject matter. Original Misfits, Samhain, Damned, Roky Erickson, TSOL, Cramps, Screaming Lord Sutch, Screaming Jay Hawkins..

      Deja Voodoo an 80s band from Canada (there are a bunch of bands who later used this name) who formed Og Records had some good horror material. They were very Cramps like, but more lo-fi.

      My absolute favorite though is Color Me Psycho, another 80s Canadian band who had a garage type sound. If you ever see their Pretend I'm Your Father LP snatch it up!! Tom Bagley the singer went on to form Forbidden Dimension, one of the best horror bands of all time. They are still going strong after 20 years and have a lot of 7"s and some CDs out.

      I would highly suggest The Return of the Living Dead soundtrack as a good starting point. Almost every song on it is good. You get 45 Grave, TSOL, Flesheaters, Roky, Tallboys, Cramps and the Damned all on one records!
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      When I say subculture, I mean I like to dress in black, I am being myself. :) Emo is dead anyway. SCENE is what you're reffering to haha. kopper said:
      Fuck the subculture. Goths are about as annoying as emo kids. Just dig the music and be yourself.

      Johnny Paradox said:
      Thanks guys, I am just getting into the "Goth" subculture and the new tunes will be welcome :)
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      Fuck the subculture. Goths are about as annoying as emo kids. Just dig the music and be yourself. Johnny Paradox said:
      Thanks guys, I am just getting into the "Goth" subculture and the new tunes will be welcome :)
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      Thanks guys, I am just getting into the "Goth" subculture and the new tunes will be welcome :)

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