You're absolutely, positively right...the band sounds like a total piece of shit, and that is where its charm comes from:) If I had paid money to go see the Stooges that night, I'm sure I would have left feeling really pissed at how poorly they played, not to mention all the chaos that went on that night. It's about as wild and crazy as a live album can get.

Gus Ironside said:

Mikel, I know a lot of Stooges' fans dig Metallic KO (and I'm a dyed-in-the-wool damaged-for-life-by-Funhouse, card-carrying Stooges obsessive!), but for me the band are not at their best musically on that album- they're in a really bad way and I find the album very, very sad.  But having said that, it is a truly debauched, unique document and certainly qualifies as being wild and crazy! ;)

Mikel, I know a lot of Stooges' fans dig Metallic KO (and I'm a dyed-in-the-wool damaged-for-life-by-Funhouse, card-carrying Stooges obsessive!), but for me the band are not at their best musically on that album- they're in a really bad way and I find the album very, very sad.  But having said that, it is a truly debauched, unique document and certainly qualifies as being wild and crazy! ;)

Wanna trade?! ;)

Gus Ironside said:

Found it! It's called Live! 78!
http://www.limbos.org/lyres/lyres-dmz.htm

 

How about "Metallic KO" by Iggy and the Stooges:) Gotta love Iggy egging on those bikers.

Found it! It's called Live! 78!
http://www.limbos.org/lyres/lyres-dmz.htm

 
Jane Dear said:

This is the one I have, vinyl as well. Great stuff. The only real difference between their live and studio recordings are that you can actually hear the party going on in the background. 

http://www.discogs.com/DMZ-Live-At-The-Rat/release/3242759



Gus Ironside said:

I've got a DMZ Live!!! vinyl record- really good- don't know if that's the same one as Live at the Rat?
 
Jane Dear said:

DMZ - Live at the Rat makes me reallllllllly hate being born so late. 

Interesting...my album must be a bootleg, can't find any official record of it! Must dig it out and scan it in. :)

This is the one I have, vinyl as well. Great stuff. The only real difference between their live and studio recordings are that you can actually hear the party going on in the background. 

http://www.discogs.com/DMZ-Live-At-The-Rat/release/3242759



Gus Ironside said:

I've got a DMZ Live!!! vinyl record- really good- don't know if that's the same one as Live at the Rat?
 
Jane Dear said:

DMZ - Live at the Rat makes me reallllllllly hate being born so late. 

I've got a DMZ Live!!! vinyl record- really good- don't know if that's the same one as Live at the Rat?
 
Jane Dear said:

DMZ - Live at the Rat makes me reallllllllly hate being born so late. 

Overdubbed it,  Ben...made it sound like they were at Shea Stadium!
 
Ben E said:

Hey Gus, yeah it's been too long since I listened to Kick Out the Jams! That Seed album sound interesting too - so did they invite an audience into the studio, or overdub crowd noise afterwards? I'll have to find that album anyway..

Gus Ironside said:

Totally agree re Jerry Lee Live at The Star Club as top of the pile!
The first half of the MC5's Kick Out The Jams is great, high-energy stuff.

Raw and Alive at Merlin's Music Box by The Seeds is also great, but is "live in the studio", so not a genuine live concert album!

The First and the Last by The New Race is just fantastic- Ron Asheton and Dr Deniz Tek on guitar, Machine-Gun Thompson on the traps, Warwick Gilbert on bass and Rob Younger on vox- total high energy meltdown!

DMZ - Live at the Rat makes me reallllllllly hate being born so late. 

Hey Gus, yeah it's been too long since I listened to Kick Out the Jams! That Seed album sound interesting too - so did they invite an audience into the studio, or overdub crowd noise afterwards? I'll have to find that album anyway..

Gus Ironside said:

Totally agree re Jerry Lee Live at The Star Club as top of the pile!
The first half of the MC5's Kick Out The Jams is great, high-energy stuff.

Raw and Alive at Merlin's Music Box by The Seeds is also great, but is "live in the studio", so not a genuine live concert album!

The First and the Last by The New Race is just fantastic- Ron Asheton and Dr Deniz Tek on guitar, Machine-Gun Thompson on the traps, Warwick Gilbert on bass and Rob Younger on vox- total high energy meltdown!

Cheers John, I'll have to check those out! I'd particularly love to hear that Little Richard live album - I'll look for those clips on YouTube too!

John Battles said:

"Jerry Lee Lewis Live at The Star Club is way the Hell up there , in my book."

"Little Richard , Live Paris 1966"  is UNFUCKINSANE !!!! It was a bootleg that came out in the late 80's. The performance , which screams (Like a White Lady) to be released on DVD , as the video portion has turned up on You Tube .

"Slade on Stage" - Their third and best live album. Fast and furious , makes me wanna wreck a room as readily as Little Richard on Specialty.

Black Oak Arkansas - "Raunch and Roll Live" (Expanded 2 Disc version on Rhino Handmade.). Jim Dandy's most scatterbrained stage patter (Except when compared to TODAY !) , AND THE BAND IS FIRING ON ALL 12 CYLINDERS.

 

Totally agree re Jerry Lee Live at The Star Club as top of the pile!
The first half of the MC5's Kick Out The Jams is great, high-energy stuff.

Raw and Alive at Merlin's Music Box by The Seeds is also great, but is "live in the studio", so not a genuine live concert album!

The First and the Last by The New Race is just fantastic- Ron Asheton and Dr Deniz Tek on guitar, Machine-Gun Thompson on the traps, Warwick Gilbert on bass and Rob Younger on vox- total high energy meltdown!

"Jerry Lee Lewis Live at The Star Club is way the Hell up there , in my book."

"Little Richard , Live Paris 1966"  is UNFUCKINSANE !!!! It was a bootleg that came out in the late 80's. The performance , which screams (Like a White Lady) to be released on DVD , as the video portion has turned up on You Tube .

"Slade on Stage" - Their third and best live album. Fast and furious , makes me wanna wreck a room as readily as Little Richard on Specialty.

Black Oak Arkansas - "Raunch and Roll Live" (Expanded 2 Disc version on Rhino Handmade.). Jim Dandy's most scatterbrained stage patter (Except when compared to TODAY !) , AND THE BAND IS FIRING ON ALL 12 CYLINDERS.

I'm not sure if all the tracks from the 10" are on the current CD-re-issues. The 10" is one of the coolest re-issues I've ever seen, though!

The unedited version of "Pushin Too Hard" is only on the 45, I think -- it has an extra verse compared to the released 1966 45...

It's super vague. According to Spotify (on their US website that is) they say:

Spotify pays out the majority (approaching 70%) of ALL of our revenue (advertising and subscription fees) to rights holders: artists, labels, publishers, and performing rights societies...Spotify has direct agreements with record labels, digital distributors, aggregators and publisher collecting societies, to whom we regularly pay royalties, and who then pay recording artists and songwriters according to their specific contractual agreements...we recommend that artists reach out to their distributors to better understand the specific economics that apply to them...In general, however, Spotify pays royalties in relation to an artist's popularity on the service. For example, we will pay out approximately 2% of our gross royalties for an artist whose music represents approximately 2% of what our users stream. A popular song or album can generate far more revenue for an artist over time than it historically would have from upfront unit sales.

It is what it is.

Re: Bandcamp, most checkout plugins/softwares are equipped with the technical/legal/privacy stuff involved with online transactions. It's cool to have a streamlined service like that, but I've yet to hear of it being any band's major source of sales.

Ha ha ha...so the truth is that evry ply in Spotify or similar give more money to Spotify hitself than to the artist and editors right?

I like Bandcamp as a service...the ability to easily set up a name-your-own-price download, group tracks into albums and include non music content like sleeve liners, posters and videos and stuff is really great...We have not used their service for physical merch, but it looks equally well designed.....and don't forget they deal with all the legal crap......if you are selling stuff to people you will wind up with confidential information like credit card details and bank account numbers, you then have to keep that information safe.....if you use bandcamp they deal with all that for you....plus your buyers can use PayPal if they want....I know I would like that if I was buying a download from some band I didn't know...also, your buyers can also choose the format of their download, so if they want (say) AAC rather than MP3, they can have it...

As to making money?........I might soon be able to buy another set of strings....

It's kind of a double edged sword in some ways. My Spotify subscription basically serves as a way to listen to almost anything in the background while I'm at work sitting at a desk for 8-10 hours and I don't feel like carrying a box of tapes, cds, and records back and forth, but it's nowhere near a replacement for actually owning music.

I don't think anyone besides Spotify is making much money off Spotify alone. Different labels have different deals worked out for payouts per play and from what I understand, it's really low.

A couple months ago, one of my friend's bands was on Bandcamps "Top selling new releases of the week" list with only 10 sales. I don't know just how many "new releases" get uploaded a week on Bandcamp, but I imagine it's a LOT. A whopping 10 sales doesn't scream "top new release" to me, but it says a lot about how much people just listen to free stuff and how many actually buy it. 

The online music streaming is gaining ground each day and the songs library of this services, like Spotify, is already huge.

I consider this one of the best news in musical industry since 10 years: the way to ear music online with good quality, at the right price and totally legal.

What do you think about?

There are some band who is take money from those services?

all that annoying top 100 pop crap. I don't feel like naming the worst

My kids have been driving me nuts with "Everybody Talks" and the XX "I Watch Things on my VCR....." To be fair they also listen to the Kinks and the Scott Pilgrim soundtrack with the Black Lips, so there's still hope. I catch them listening to classical music on Spotify when they're alone, though. What's wrong with kids these days?!

Any garage rockers out there dig the great Jorge Ben? He's a big influence on my rhythm guitar playing...everything he recorded from 1963-1976 was genius!

Lots of newer stuff too, like early White Fence and Ty Segall etc. But yeah, Randy Alvey and the Green Fuz were probably the first!

RIP One Up- I travelled up from Montrose to Aberdeen when I was 16 and spent the wages from my summer job buying up a great haul of rock n roll vinyl from 1-UP. I got the Stooges' No Fun Elektra comp, Kick Out The Jams, New Values, Street Hassle, Legendary Hearts, Stone The Crows, tons of stuff- best ever day's vinyl-hunting! Still scour the second hand places in Glasgow, but it's becoming harder to avoid just hitting the internet. :(
 
Andy Climax said:

Hi Alex. The nearest record shop to me since the amazing One Up records in Aberdeen closed 3 months ago is 150 miles away. The situation for independant shops in Britain just now is dire and not gona get any better i fear. All the online stuff is the only way i can source stuff now. Nothing will ever beat the feeling of rifling through records and tapes and uncovering a gem or two. Unfortunately a 300 mile round journey is a treat these days rather than essential. Wot an absolute nitemare!!!
 
Alex said:

Look, I know I could find all of these records on Discogs, eBay, or Gemm pretty easily, but it's so much more rewarding to find them in person!  I was in Chicago last weekend and found M.O.T.O.'s "Turn Your Head and Cough."  It was pretty exciting.  Always love that moment.  Then when you continue to look through records at the store, you hoard it and make sure no one tries to steal it from you.