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    • March 25, 2013 4:33 PM CDT
    • The Stooges and The MC5 each had three great (Official) albums , but , for very different reasons. Both bands were influenced by Avant Jazz and , probably , the likes of John Cage and Stockhausen , early on , but , it seems like The Stooges kept bending and shaping it into different patterns , but , still in a Rock context. Most of the time. Would you call "L.A. Blues" Rock'n'Roll ? Does it matter ? The Five began to drift from the Free Jazz influence (At least , the blatant influence.) around the time John Sinclair went to jail. It's too easy for people to say "Oh , "Back In The USA" was so overproduced" , which is ironic , as Jon Landau had never produced an album prior to that. But  , I felt the same way , the first time I heard it , but , of course , I realize , and have for 25 + years , that it contains some of their finest original songs , and that it helped pave the way for Pub Rock and Power Pop. "High Time" had it all , great songs , and a much harder  sound , not to mention a smattering of horns that WORKS , and some amphetamized tempos that definitely foresaw Punk ("Gotta Keep Movin'", "Skunk (Sonically Speaking)" , e.g.).....

      It's funny , I saw an early review of "Raw Power" that compared James Williamson's guitar work to that of "The old MC5 records" (Of course, the Five had just split up , recently , but , music was moving faster than it is , now.). Both bands went through a lot of changes , musically and personally , in a very short time.

      I don't like to think of them in a fight , I like to think of them fighting , together. There were too many common enemies at the time. Rob Tyner , by then , a family man , stated that John Sinclair's revolutionary rhetoric was detrimental to the band doing what they did to just make a living. They were being put in the position of feeding all these hangers - on , before they could feed themselves . Now , I've met John Sinclair , and he was a nice man , and , very consequential in the development of Detroit Rock'n'Roll. I was also fortunate enough to have spoken at length with Tyner , and , while he may have renounced Sinclair's politics  , he was always one for giving his peers their due , whether it was The Rationals , The SRC ("They were like us , but , they had class.".) , or The Stooges. Met with an audience that either thought The 60's was the age of peace and love , or thought newer bands like Guns 'n' Roses were keeping The MC5's flame burning , Rob emphatically cried , "NO !!!!" , and told the young'uns they needed to hear "Raw Power" as much as they did "Kick Out The Jams".....Of course , the two bands morphed into groups like The New Order , Destroy All Monsters , and Sonics Rendezvous Band , all of which shared members......even though they did'nt always agree.

      "Iggy Pop's a little faggot . WE were the world's forgotton boys!" Dennis Thompson.

      Well , who'd win in a fight , based on the info we have , here? There were only Four Stooges , unless you want to count Steven McCay. But , Scott Asheton was known for being the baddest motherfucker on the scene. THAT STORY IN "PLEASE KILL ME" , where he mopped up the floor with some jockboys who were fucking with Wayne Kramer and Fred Smith for looking cool , and this was before he even knew those guys  , beyond the fact that his Sister was dating Smith .

      As far as junk was concerned , both bands only had one member , each , at one point , who refused to bow to King Heroin , Ron Asheton and Rob Tyner , respectively.

      Both bands are so different in many ways , yet , alike in other ways.

      You don't have to like one to like the other , but , the two have always gone hand in hand.

       

    • March 25, 2013 4:27 PM CDT
    • They didn't have any guns or bombs, and as the big Rolling Stone article said back then, their politics were more Oaxacan than...er revolution? Whatever, I don't remember, exactly. 

    • March 25, 2013 2:36 PM CDT
    • Yeah Stooges where a more important/influencial band musically, and have more musical depth, and more "roll" to their rock,  but MC5 had guns and bombs and were activists.  

      That being said Iggy Pop would be able to survive anything, so he might be last one standing! ; )

    • March 25, 2013 12:16 PM CDT


    • Ryan Hatt said:

      That one goes to the MC5 - there's more of them, they're beefier, and The Stooges were constantly fucked up on heroin.
      haha true

    • March 25, 2013 12:11 PM CDT
    • Stooges have better studio albums but MC5's Black to Comm kicks it in my opinion ( I need too check out Stooges bonus stuff)

      Mc5 would kick Stooges ass even if they were fewer. 

      But Stooges are maybe more cool guys and MC5 tough guys...

    • March 25, 2013 11:52 AM CDT
    • Honestly? I'm not sure there's a contest here if we're basing the reward off of musical offerings. The Stooges win hands down. The Mc5 have a couple of great songs but the majority of tracks from their first two albums remind me of Van Morrison's later years. They just don't hold up to the ferocity of Kick Out the Jams or Teenage Lust. The Stooges on the other hand have three magical albums and a crazy ammount of amazing bonus tracks floating around in comps and, at least in my encounters, have inspired a great deal more musicians. Fun House as a whole is one of my favorite albums ever and spans a little-traversed gap between hallucinatory dreamscapes and fucking crazed sonic attack. Cool factor? While releasing one of the first popularish rock albums to contain the word Motherfucker is certainly cool, it doesn't beat lacerating yourself with a broken bottle on stage or smearing yourself with peanut butter an audience member happens to give you after you've jumped offstage and fought through bouncers. While I certainly enjoy the MC5 and I have nothing against those who might believe strongly in the opposite side of this argument, in my world there is no contest that the Stooges come out on top. To quote Ty Segall, "The Stooges are fucking mysterious!" As far as a fight goes though? That one goes to the MC5 - there's more of them, they're beefier, and The Stooges were constantly fucked up on heroin.

    • March 25, 2013 10:28 AM CDT
    • Stooges are cooler, but in a rumble I'd want MC5 to have my back.

      Just sayin'.

      -A

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    • March 25, 2013 3:38 PM CDT
    • Yeah , I mentioned that , earlier. There's no mistaking , if you hear "Bust Out" by The Busters , that it's the skeleton for "I'm Cramped".   'Psychotic Reaction" by The Count Five .....Well , it influenced "Psychotic Reaction" by The Cramps....Hello ? Is this thing on?  Wow .Tough crowd.

    • March 25, 2013 1:06 PM CDT
    •  Not at all!! I'm Cramped is lifted note for note from an instro called "Bust Out" by The Busters as someone must have mentioned above. There are many Psychotic Reaction ripoffs mainly taking the "fast/slow" bit as that is the most memorable thing about that song (which I'm Cramped does not do...)

      Chris Skoczen said:

      I'm sure someone must have mentioned it, but I'm Cramped is just Psychotic Reaction by the Count Five with different lyrics.

    • March 25, 2013 3:02 PM CDT
    • Fkn Love A R E Weapons. Saw'em in Glasgow in 2000. Awesome

    • March 25, 2013 2:18 PM CDT
    • I was about 11-12 years old and whilst rummaging around our garage (seems apt) I found the 'too drunk too fuck' single that was my old man's, I laughed and thought Jesus fuck I gotta hear that! I thought it was hilarious and searched for more and more and more....

    • March 25, 2013 1:02 PM CDT
    • ...as far as the Sex Pistols, I had heard bits and pieces here and there, but hadn't bought the album itself until the spring of '87. Compared to the hardcore I was hearing on one of the local college stations, Never Mind The Bollocks sounded almost professional.

    • March 25, 2013 12:45 PM CDT
    • John - the second issue of Kicks (from 1979) included an article on 60s Chicago bands by my friend Cary Baker. Before he launched into the past, he included a quick sum-up of the present, talking about how The Loop had started beefing up their playlist with punk and new wave oriented acts, like Wayne Kramer and Johnny Thunders (!!!). This, coupled with the Disco Demolition event, looked like Chicago rock radio was about to enter a renaissance. Now, Baker laughs at how tame the Loop was - sure, they embraced the New Music, but wouldn't go but so far. Still, at the time, playing Patti Smith and Talking Heads next to Molly Hatchet and Van Halen seemed like a major coup. If Wayne Kramer got played, it was probably during an early period of experimentation where they were trying to find out what stuck and what slid. Evidently Kramer and Thunders' music slid straight to the floor while the Knack got all the gravy. As far as Sunday nights at 11 PM, in Chicago that was Dr. Demento time. How I awoke in time for school the next morning, I'll never know, but at least I went to sleep laughing.



    • March 25, 2013 1:38 PM CDT
    • These guys are like the Temptations of metal with the swinging of the hair in unison. They should sell the rights for use of this image in Rogaine commercials (I think he even says Rogaine!), hmmph maybe. From Sweden: Amon Amarth: The Pursuit of the Vikings

    • March 25, 2013 1:26 PM CDT
    • Today I'm in the A's, starting with Amarok (Chico, CA).  I have to listen to this at least once a day, amazing: Amarok, Part I

    • March 25, 2013 12:33 PM CDT
    • Not sure if this counts???

    • March 25, 2013 12:27 PM CDT
    • Better than the original? More punk definitely. Best of all.... She's Scottish, haha. Amazing stuff

    • March 25, 2013 12:19 PM CDT
    • Uuuuuurgh! Great album tho.

    • March 25, 2013 10:19 AM CDT
    • A friend of mine who does liner notes for reissues (John, you know him too) once told me that major labels HATE to run black and white photos on covers. It subconsciously keeps younger buyers away. Okay, I admit that a few embellishments here 'n' there don't hurt - say, a black-and-white photo with color print (like Bear Family did for the Treniers), or even a mockup of an old 50s poster (like Sony Legacy did on They Rock!). But that bad colorization job that Sony Special Products used on Rockin' Is Our Bizness is unforgivable, even for a budget label.

    • March 25, 2013 12:16 PM CDT
    • 'The best part of Beiber ran down his mothers leg!' taxi drivers quote to me, Saturday night, haha

    • March 25, 2013 10:12 AM CDT
    • If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly.”

      Mark E. Smith

    • March 25, 2013 10:10 AM CDT
    • All those whose mind entitles themselves, And whose main entitle is themselves, Shall feel the wrath of my bombast!
      Mark E. Smith

    • March 25, 2013 10:52 AM CDT
    • i'm gonna agree with a few others here on the reccomendations for The Dyes and The Black Belles. I saw the Black Belles recently at a local bar and they were pretty boss. Pussycat & the Dirty Johnsons are pretty neat, too.

      and...YES you should be doing posts like this! that's what the hideout's for. :)

    • March 25, 2013 9:57 AM CDT
    • Growing up in the white-bread suburbs of Harrisburg PA, my summer teen band TNT circa '70-'76 used to cover the Kinks "You Really Got Me." The drummer transcribed the lyrics from the 45 for me and I used to sing in the first verse "... You got me so I can't see bat nine." HUH... SEE BAT NINE???!!! Which, of course, translated in Ray's drunken Limey slurred lingo, "sleep at night," natch! I still sing SBN in my mind's eye whenever I hear that song played. Hehehe!

    • March 25, 2013 5:59 AM CDT
    • Show #414: "The Eggman Collection #132" playlist:


      Queen - "Procession/Father To Son/White Queen (As It Began)"
      Badfinger - "Timeless"
      Manfred Mann's Earth Band - "Part Time Man"
      Pearls Before Swine - "Snow Queen"
      The Who - "Hall Of The Mountain King"
      Van Morrison - "Crazy Face"
      Loudon Wainwright III - "Black Uncle Remus"
      American Blues - "All I Saw Was You"
      Amen Corner - "The World Of Broken Hearts"
      Le Orme - "Ad Gloriam"
      The Cars - "I'm In Touch With Your World"
      The Roman Numerals - "Matchstick In A Whirlpool"
      Dransfield - "The Alchemist And The Pedlar"
      The Peep Show - "What A Funny Name (I Like Fat Girls)"
      Cat Stevens - "I'm Gonna Be King"
      Spectrum - "Quiabo's"
      The Bachs - "Tables Of Grass Fields"
      Marty Rhone - "Every Minute Of You"
      The Tremeloes - "What Can I Do"
      The Cyrkle - "Kites"
      Pretty Things - "Love Is Good"
      The Heptones - "How Can I Leave"
      Status Quo - "Elizabeth Dreams"
      Rainbow - "4 Leaf Clover"
      Erkin Koray - "Aska Inanmiyorum"
      Fair Weather - "Haven't I Tried"
      Fickle Pickle - "Sinful Skinful"
      The Creation - "Uncle Bert"
      Arcadium - "Change Me"
      Clifford T. Ward - "Wherewithal"
      Turquoise - "Tales Of Flossie Fillett"
      King Crimson - "Starless"
      Robert Wyatt - "Little Red Robin Hood Hit The Road"

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