It's not a concept , I'm afraid , it's a reality. People who think they know it all , and won't talk to you , except in a very condescending manner , unless you have no life , and have accumulated the same amount of information they have. Now , some people can obtain and store a lot of trivial knowledge in a very short amount of time. It's a good thing to be knowledgeable about the "Garage" genre , it's an interesting topic , to say the least. It's not a good thing to act superior if others don't share your fervor. I live in the real world , where some people dig this stuff , but , barely enough to notice . Like most of you , I'd imagine , I'm deluged with Rap and Hip Hop , a multi - multi billion dollar industry , but , IT's "Underground" , while the music I'm not forcing on other people is'nt.

I guess a REAL Garage Nazi would make people listen to Garage Rock , instead of letting 'em listen to whatever it is they want to listen to.

swt said:

"Garage Nazis" is a scary concept. But I know what you mean.

....And , Paul Burlison almost single - handedly created what we now call "Punk" or "Garage" guitar. He and Link Wray , with Pat Hare's "I'm Gonna Murder My Baby" before them , all years before fuzztone pedals were commercially available. It's good to be a good guitar player , if you can go easy on the wankery. Guitarists who go out of their way to sound BAD , i don't have a lot of patience for.

Mitchhz said:

I beg to disagree. Good guitar playing is part and parcel of wild primitive rock'n'roll just as much as minimalist guitar playing! Paul Burlinson and Cliff Gallup were excellent guitar players. Some of the finest garage songs displayed great expertise in terms of guitar work: The Recalls' Reesie and Nobody's Guy are killers, so is Project Blue by the Banshees. Or what about In the Past by We the People? I hear it's very hard to play (by the way check out the excellent French version La fermeture éclair by Belgian yéyé girl Delphine)!

 

So garage addicts should reclaim good guitar playing. Let's not leave it to bores like Mark Knopfler or Clapton!

Patrick said:

I think songs like "Wild Man" and "Born Loser" have a haunting minimalisitc quality of the primitive garage style.  Garage Punk in my opinion, was never a genre to display techincal mastery, that was left to the Progressive Rock (Led Zeppelin, Rush, Black Sabbath, Cream, Hendrix). To me, it's about a primitive inarticulate emotion.  A form of musical expression unrefined, experimental, raw, channeled within the confines of it's own limitations.  I do agree reluctantly, that the guitar was a little bit thin.  It could have been produced and engineered better (maybe some backround rhythm gtr).  I think though, if you put those early songs within the context of their times they were revolutionary as far as the dark theatrical "psychotic" impression they produced.  I guess I would just hate to see some bands butcher great songs by running them through a Grunge processor.

Had the great privilidge of not only meeting but hanging out with sky saxon (R.I.P. Dude) some years ago. a great & enlightenin' experience. but I really wanna see the chesterfield kings but don't know if they plan to play in the uk?

For those that don't know what it is, it's a music form that became extremely popular in the '80's (mainly college radio) that harked a return to jangly guitars and '60's harmonies. I'm willing to bet that 90% of you here on the Hideout already knew that, but hey, just in case some of you didn't...There was a whole slew of bands that came out during this initial heavy wave, mainly associated with the "Paisley Underground". Personally, I like listening to it, and the reason I wanted to start this discussion was to get your opinions on what bands you liked, you recommend (I know I haven't heard ALL of them), album suggestions. Or you can even bring up bands that have been called "jangle pop" but you don't agree with that categorization. And there's always room for debates, like was Tom Petty's early songs in that genre? Not a fan of his, but it's well known that he was heavily influenced by the Byrds. Of course technically, jangle pop was a throwback to the '60's, so there were a number of bands in the '70's that plyed that sound as well. You can go on Wikipedia, and they list a number of bands that they put in this category (R.E.M.'s early work, Guadalcanal Diary, the Church, etc.) So just wanting to see your thoughts on this subject, and who knows? Some of your suggestions could increase my music shopping list!

Mark , Never heard of this. It could have been a recording by some ex-members of the group ? The way that Larry Tamblyn and Tony Valentino regrouped as The Standells in the 80's and released a reportedly Heavy Metal - sounding remake of "Try It" with a laughable original called "Sixties Band". I'll withold judgement , because I've never actually heard it. But , is the A-side the original "Nobody But Me"? If the B-side sounds like the hit versions of "NBM" and "Nobody But Me" and "Mony Mony" "Mashed" together , it might be a DJ who got permission to do a small pressing of a remix and the original.

The Big Mix – 1/14/11

1 – Keep Britain Untidy – Peter and the Test Tube Babies

2 – The 13^th Floor – The Urges

3 – Little Egypt – Downliners Sect

4 – My Baby Left Me – Elvis

5 – The Seeker – Dexter Romweber Duo

6 – Mr. Bad Luck – Jimi Hendrix

7 – Nitro – Dick Dale

8 – 4 Leaf Clover – Old 97s w/ Exene

9 – No Need To Be Rude – Black Hollies

10 – Lula Bop Be – Johnny Bach and the Moonshine Boozers

11 – Breathless – Jerry Lee Lewis

12 – Medley w/ Theme From The X-Files – Phantom Surfers

13 – Hubcap Hunch – Hasil Adkins and S.C.O.T.S.

14 – Waxy’s Dargle – The Pogues

15 – Why Why Why – Paul Revere and the Raiders

16 – Double Talkin’ Baby – Gene Vincent

17 – Shake – Tom Waits

18 – Wild Jane – The Ripoffs

19 – Boredom – The Buzzcocks

20 – We Want The Airwaves – The Ramones

21 – Big City After Dark – Link Wray

22 – Cuttin’ Out – The Pirates

23 – Ya Ya – The Kaisers

24 – I Dig Everything – Generation X

25 – Open My Eyes – The Nazz

26 – Motorhead – Hawkwind

27 – Too Much Paranoias - Devo

The Big Mix – 1/7/11

1 – Louie Louie Music – Armitage Shanks

2 – I Got You Babe – The Cynics

3 – Sunrise (Turn On) – The Chesterfield Kings

4 – Snatchin’ and Grabbin’ – Bob Wills

5 – Don’t You Rock Me Daddy-O – Lonnie Donnegan

6 – Drag Me – The De-Fenders

7 – You Are Not Your Job – Gas Huffer

8 – Contact In Red Square – Blondie

9 – It’s Your Curse – Lord High Fixers

10 – 13 Stations – Cornflake Zoo

11 – Goodbye – The Coral

12 – Going To Wichita – Deadbolt

13 – Delmonica – Dwarves

14 – Skinny Jim – Eddie Cochran

15 – Medication – Chocolate Watch Band

16 – Cool Deaths – The Oh Sees

17 – Rip It Up – Buddy Holly

18 – Get Rid Of That Girl – The Donnas

19 – Spitting Quarters – Scared Of Chaka

21 – It’s Trash – The Cave Men

22 - Hard Lovin’ Man – The Fleshtones

23 – Rat Race – Bob Marley

24 – Rollin’ Over – Small Faces

25 – Universal Vagrant – Chords Five

26 – A Northwest Passage – International Noise Conspiracy

27 – Voodoo Doll – Gore Gore Girls

28 – I Lie – Naked Raygun

29 – River Deep, Mountain High – The Saints

30 – Clones – Oblivians

31 – Death Hammer Overload – Motor Jesus

32 – Generation Genocide – Mudhoney

33 – Earth Love – Guitar Wolf

34 – Little Piece Of Action – The Makers

35 – Devil’s Magic Pants – Humpers

36 – Top Down – Teenage Head

The Big Mix – 12/31/10

1 - ‘Neath A Cold Gray Tomb Of Stone – Hank Williams

2 – Ramblin’ Man – Hank Williams

3 – I’ll Never Get Out Of This World Alive - Hank Williams

4 – Alcohol And Pills – Fred Eaglesmith

5 – Start The Party – The Dirtbombs

6 – Let’s Have A Party – 5.6.7.8.s

7 – Are You Drinking With Me Jesus – Beat Farmers

8 – Somebody Put Something In My Drink – The Ramones

9 – Booze Party – Three Aces and a Joker

10 – Hit Me Again – Mystery Girls

11 – That Ole Mountain Dew – Grandpa Jones

12 – Drinkin’ Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee – Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio

• Break

13 – Whiskey Headed Woman – Lightnin’ Hopkins

14 – Having A Wild Weekend – Long John Thomas and the Duffs

15 – Texas Jail Cell – Jon Wayne Band

16 – Thunderbird ESQ – The Gories

PSA – Ravi Shankar

17 – High On Drugs – Full Time Men

18 – Mad Dog 20/20 – The Woggles

19 – Whisky In The Jar – The Dubliners

20 – Wang Dang Doodle – Howlin’ Wolf

21 – Your Head Is Reeling – Ultimate Spinach

22 – Another Beer – Armitage Shanks

23 – Cryin’ Drunk - Old 97s

24 – Log Jammer – Shang-A-Lang

25 – Huff All Night – The Donnas

26 – Lime Rickey – Chicken Hawks

27 – Got The Time – Joe Jackson

28 – Haze Of Drink – Slobberbone

29 – I Couldn’t Get High – The Fugs

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But I digress.....I think iTunes was the topic.   Very sorry.  Continue on.

Well, in Pete's defense you don't stop doing something you love just because you pass the retirement age. What the hell is 66 anymore?   Much of his performing generates a lot of money for charitible causes.  Case in point: 

Rock legends Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend of the Who say they owe much of their musical success to teenagers. In a heartfelt repayment, the two will announce the launch of the UCLA Daltrey/Townshend Teen & Young Adult Cancer Program, which will serve teens and young adult cancer patients at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center.

The new program — the first of its kind in the United States — will build on the previous successful efforts of the Teenage Cancer Trust, which has helped fund 19 special teen cancer units in the United Kingdom.

Rock icon Robert Plant of Led Zeppelin, who has been closely involved with the program in the U.K., will also attend the news conference to lend his support.

The rockers will all sign a guitar during the press conference that will be hung on the wall in the new UCLA cancer unit. For more information, CLICK HERE

I only use it for podcasts and have never purchased one penny's worth of music from it.  For podcasts I regard it as excellent and truly have never explored the full potential of iTunes so I don't feel 100% qualified to bag on it.  That said, it has become the establishment of the music industry.  Because of the technological ease of use it has become the gorilla at the top of the heap as far as distribution is concerned.  Instead of peels, toss down a few banan-ers there gorilla-man!

There are some interesting points here about the modern music business. Take a look. I would be interested to hear your thoughts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/nov/01/pete-townshend-john-peel-lecture

This is really a depressing comp. Depressing in a really good way. Wylde Mammoth - Nothing I can do is one of the best too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_qYvTaSdM&feature=related

Thijs Oosterbaan said:

this comp is great if you want stuff like that

 

http://www.dionysusrecords.com/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&produ...

That is a GREAT comp. I would also highly recommend the I'm Down Today, Nobody to Love, and You Treated Me Bad Teenage Shutdown (Crypt) comps. All great stuff.

Thijs Oosterbaan said:

this comp is great if you want stuff like that

 

http://www.dionysusrecords.com/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&produ...

this comp is great if you want stuff like that

http://www.dionysusrecords.com/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=951

"Cry , Cry , Cry " by The Unrelated Segments rates right up there ,I think.

The Pack AD are really good, don't know about them staying true to the old school Garage though...

I'd say Weirdonia but that's just douchey on my part and untrue

I was thinking maybe that Davila 666 album or the new Black Lips album as my album of the year 2011, but this one blows me away every time. The debut album of Royal Headache from Sydney, Australia. Make sure you check it out. Here's one song, but this album is full of great songs with loads op punk/pop/garage/soul.

Just an update: You can now find the Hideout Comp Series on Bandcamp! Click the link below:

http://grgpnkrecords.bandcamp.com/

Thanks!

kopper

if you like drama you should attend one of our practices. death threats and occasional physical violence!

Petulant Child said:

Love the photo slideshow  and of course the DRAMA!!!! tee hee!! the discussions have been great and the podcasts..what don't I like my lack of skill to post my songs on the comp link and my lack of ability to download podcasts on to my phone which is an mp3 player!!!

...In order for there not to have been a British Invasion , I think we need to consider (Not accept as a whole , if you don't want to.) other "What ifs" that are frequently brought up. I was talking to Michael Weldon of Psychotronic Video Magazine (Now website) , and he raised a very good point , and that is , what if Elvis had gone to Europe ? Colonel Tom Parker was an illegal immigrant from Holland , and lived in fear of extradition  , so , Elvis could never tour Europe , because The Colonel insisted on handling his affairs in person. The point Weldon made was , if Elvis had toured Europe in his prime , it would have caused a sensation , earlier on , making the British Invasion possibly unnecessary , or just different from what it turned out to be.....   But , you'd have to rule out other factors , like Chuck Berry not going to jail , Little Richard not going into the ministry , Jerry Lee Lewis not being crucified , Buddy Holly and Eddie Cochran not dying horribly , Alan Freed not being made an "Example" of , Gene Vincent's career and personal life not going into steady decline (Except in Europe for the former. Had the first wave of Rock'n'Roll made it into the 60's , the up and coming English bands might have had more of a Rockabilly affiliation , though George Harrison's Guitar sound had Carl Perkins , another casualty , written all over it.).

But , there was'nt something of the magnitude of Elvis happening in England , nor here , between '58 and '60 , so they had to create something of their own. But , something that, unlike Johnny Kidd , Vince Taylor , Billy Fury and even Cliff Richard , could be successfully imported anywhere. Why The Beatles ? They understood American music , and what was largely missing from it , as did The Rolling Stones. But , of course , they were coming from different angles. If The Beatles had any Blues roots , they seem to have kept them under their sleeves. Likewise , The Stones' Rockabilly influences seemed completely hidden , but , they were there. This is'nt the first time you've read this , but , Post - JFK assassination America needed something to take it out of it's Funk , and The Beatles were it. But , The Stones , and bands like them , had more to do with the "Hey , WE can do that !" spirit that ushered in thousands of what we now call Garage Bands.   I could imagine young kids wanting  to start bands found The Beatles' vocal phrasing just as difficult as they would have The Beach Boys' high pitched nods to The Four Freshmen. Without The British Invasion , things would have been very different on both sides of The Atlantic. We may have had Motown , Girl Groups , Surf music , and the like , but , only Paul Revere and The Raiders , The Byrds , and a few others , were holding down the fort , armed with guitars , by '65. Only a handful of the great Garage bands had hits , and most of them only had only one , or maybe two. Perhaps , it did'nt matter. Youth had had it's say.

if the british invasion never happened,would vox instruments be as popular? and would as many groups be using combo organs?

Would folk rock have happened without the british invasion? What would have the byrds done without a beatle beat to put with the pete seeger tunes? Would white american teenagers still be into blues and soul, unless they heard the stones do those songs first?

there would probably be less brian jones hairstyles around too. In fact the whole stage presentation of dressing up like that, and standing there playing, in that reserved british way, is what really seperates the brit invasion groups from the 50s rock and rollers.

Reg Presley said Buddy Holly and The Crickets were the first "Gare - edge" band in his esimation....You also had Link Wray and The Wraymen and The Wailers
, as well , active before Elvis even went into the army.
Lendell Ervin said:

This poses an interesting questions.  What if the British Invasion never happened?  I have started a thread to explore this topic.

What if the British Invasion never happened?

 

Mole said:

Hey come on, you couldn't have lived without the British Invasion!!! The mood of your country at the time dictated it...how come no US band blew everyone away in late '63/early '64 to the same extent that the Beatles et al did? I'm not on some kind of nationalist trip, I'm not "proud" to be English [merely an accident of birth - i had no say in the matter!!], just saying that for a number of reasons and factors, the time was right for the Beat groups to find their place in the US. Wow, you WOULD NOT have the garage explosion of 65/66 without it!! A broad generalisation, but EVERY ONE of those cats was influenced by the English groups - OK, a fair point that they were bringing America's rich musical heritage back home in a sense [there's no doubt that 'rock n roll' is an American movement], but bring it they sure did.

Frank N. Stroud said:

I guess a lot of the meat of this discussion depends on what you consider garage and what you don't.

In my humble opinion, there is more to garage than just influences and all garage did not descend from the 60s British Invasion (which I think (Rock History Blasphemy Warning) we could have lived without in America) as many would have us believe. Buddy Holly was recording his songs (played in a garage) in the fifties using Lo-fi equipment and his drummer thumping a cardboard box on Not Fade Away.

For my part, if it's too clean,polished and processed, it ain't garage.

I call my music "Garage" cause that's where I write it, play it and often record it. I realize too, that the conventional definition of the "G" word probably means something different to most people.