It's over I'm sure, but "GRANDPA", "SMACK PETERS", "DOO DOO BROWN", "SHINGO", "OCTOPUS MOTOR".

How can you not include Love Song by The Damned?! Agree with JJ Burnell, Paul Simonon and John Entwhistle - almost anything by these three guys would appear in my list. But as an ex-bass player I Wanna Be Your Dog by The Stooges has to be right up there, along with Powerline by Husker Du. Probably much more will come to mind but that's an off the top of the head stab.

I am going to throw this out there fully prepared to get flamed for it. In the past 20+ years, some of what I have found to be the most memorable bass lines were written and performed by Eric Avery from Jane's Addiction. Sure, simplicity was key, but one cannot deny the power of the bass lines from Mountain Song, Three Days, Pigs etc.

1- Peaches- The Stranglers
2- My Generation- The Who
3- Neat, Neat, Neat- The Damned
4- The Guns of Brixton- The Clash
5- Damaged Goods- Gang of Four

Very well put, John :)

John White said:

Why do people care how Garage Rock is getting exposed, if a big company wants to use it to get eyeballs to their ads I say good for them. When it's all said and done, maybe a couple of kids will like the music and get into it. That's the only way to keep it alive. I call bullshit on anyone that says they are anti corporate, it might be cool to say, but I bet we can find a Big Mac wrapper somewhere near them.

Why do people care how Garage Rock is getting exposed, if a big company wants to use it to get eyeballs to their ads I say good for them. When it's all said and done, maybe a couple of kids will like the music and get into it. That's the only way to keep it alive. I call bullshit on anyone that says they are anti corporate, it might be cool to say, but I bet we can find a Big Mac wrapper somewhere near them.

Honestly, I don't think this video is really taking anything too seriously and doing anything to bend anybody outta shape. I think it was simply a peak into the lives of some current bands on Goner and ITR, and just kinda peaking in to how they operate and what they think of the situation they're in and how they feel about it. I mean, everything seemed kind of matter-of-fact, and the bottom line being: they're just some low-profile touring bands that, regardless of how little money or exposure they get, they still like what they do. What's the big deal? Scion and Vice probably just floated them the blog space to do it. And even if those two companies did give those labels some money (to produce the video or whatever), that's kinda cool, in my little opinion. I don't think it's gonna change the way those labels do business. Call me lazy for "no braingin" this one, but I think we should just sit back and enjoy what little documentary footage we got from these bands that wouldn't normally be on video. This is just a snapshot of a tiny little slice of what's going on in this world, anyway. It's not the end of music as we know it...

TeenFink said:

ok, i'm scratching my head here on a few of your points, the most obvious of which is your big anti-corporate stance, which is fine, really. i'm not a big fan of big, global corporations or corporate rock, either, for that matter. but just how vehemently anti-corporate are you? or can any of us really be in this day and age, unless, of course, you're living like Grizzly Adams in a log cabin up in the mountains somewhere?

just wondering here, but do you use myspace or facebook? if so, how much time do you spend on those sites? do you use Google to search for stuff or for email or anything? talk about corporate takeover of our culture! it doesn't get much worse than that. especially regarding facebook and the way they subjugate your privacy specifically for the marketing of their advertisers! woah, man. i don't know about you but i'd say that's a lot worse than anything Scion could ever hope to do. so please tell me you're not supporting that, either.

what about a cell phone? have one of those? which big evil corporation do you send your hard-earned money to every month for that luxury? AT&T? Verizon? Sprint?

how about the internet. do you own a computer? which corporation did you support by purchasing one of those? IBM? Dell? Apple? HP? Microsoft? and which corporation controls your internet connection? or do you just use the library's? that's cool, i guess. someone else is paying for it somewhere then.

do you like chuck taylors? you know they're made by nike, right? ever looked into the business practices of that corporation? just curious.

maybe you don't drive a car or use gasoline to power your car if you do. do you bike everywhere or rely totally on public transportation? from your POV it sounds like it's easier than i'm thinking, so i hope so.

and i hope you don't have any music in your personal collection on labels like Warner Bros., Columbia, Atlantic, BMG, Decca, Polygram, etc. if you do, you probably just bought these used or downloaded them illegally. cool.

so how bad can it be for you to maybe take a look at what one or two corporations are doing in this topic to maybe think, just once, that maybe what these corporations are doing isn't all that bad? Or at least tell us what evil things Scion and Vice are doing that would give us reason to hate them for being unethical. i mean, it's not like they're giving these bands boatloads of money and forcing them to become more mainstream. all they're doing is promoting music, much of it to a new audience. true, they are gatekeepers in this regard, so they're obviously filtering out some of it, and yes, perhaps some of the more gritty of the bunch, but it sounds like just because some of these bands aren't to your taste that you're taking up arms against the whole lot.

or is it just because this whole music thing is somehow so much more important than all that other everyday life stuff to mean that you can support those other corporations for their intrusions into your life, but when it comes to the music you love, it's HELL, NO, MAN. that's going too far!!

come on.

you also said "when you interview these bands and they don't have any reference point for the music they're playing..." a couple questions:

which bands have you interviewed about this and can we read them? please post links. you apparently seem to know a lot about them since you say they "don't know anything about" all these other bands that came before them, so you must have some sort of proof to back this up, otherwise you're no more than a Rush Limbaugh of garage rock (one who makes sweeping generalizations and states opinion as fact without actually backing any of it up with, you know, PROOF).

if not, then i'm afraid i'd have to call bullshit on your point of view, man.


Count Brockula said:

Couple of things...

I am anti-corporate. ... I avoid all corporate culture as much as possible and it's easier than you'd think.

When you interview some of these bands and they don't have any reference point for the music they're playing, it makes you wonder. They don't know anything about the 60s bands or even the 80s garage bands that made all of this possible. They don't know anything about the people who built this from the ground up. ... I call bullshit on most of these newer bands.

Ha! The Rush Limbaugh of garage rock. Go pill popper!

I'm going in the complete opposite direction. From now on I only listen and BUY music from performers I see on network TV awards shows. Someone's gotta take a stand.

Dana V. Hatch said:

Something like that.

TeenFink said:

or is it just because this whole music thing is somehow so much more important than all that other everyday life stuff to mean that you can support those other corporations for their intrusions into your life, but when it comes to the music you love, it's HELL, NO, MAN. that's going too far!!

Something like that. TeenFink said:

or is it just because this whole music thing is somehow so much more important than all that other everyday life stuff to mean that you can support those other corporations for their intrusions into your life, but when it comes to the music you love, it's HELL, NO, MAN. that's going too far!!

ok, i'm scratching my head here on a few of your points, the most obvious of which is your big anti-corporate stance, which is fine, really. i'm not a big fan of big, global corporations or corporate rock, either, for that matter. but just how vehemently anti-corporate are you? or can any of us really be in this day and age, unless, of course, you're living like Grizzly Adams in a log cabin up in the mountains somewhere? just wondering here, but do you use myspace or facebook? if so, how much time do you spend on those sites? do you use Google to search for stuff or for email or anything? talk about corporate takeover of our culture! it doesn't get much worse than that. especially regarding facebook and the way they subjugate your privacy specifically for the marketing of their advertisers! woah, man. i don't know about you but i'd say that's a lot worse than anything Scion could ever hope to do. so please tell me you're not supporting that, either. what about a cell phone? have one of those? which big evil corporation do you send your hard-earned money to every month for that luxury? AT&T? Verizon? Sprint? how about the internet. do you own a computer? which corporation did you support by purchasing one of those? IBM? Dell? Apple? HP? Microsoft? and which corporation controls your internet connection? or do you just use the library's? that's cool, i guess. someone else is paying for it somewhere then. do you like chuck taylors? you know they're made by nike, right? ever looked into the business practices of that corporation? just curious. maybe you don't drive a car or use gasoline to power your car if you do. do you bike everywhere or rely totally on public transportation? from your POV it sounds like it's easier than i'm thinking, so i hope so. and i hope you don't have any music in your personal collection on labels like Warner Bros., Columbia, Atlantic, BMG, Decca, Polygram, etc. if you do, you probably just bought these used or downloaded them illegally. cool. so how bad can it be for you to maybe take a look at what one or two corporations are doing in this topic to maybe think, just once, that maybe what these corporations are doing isn't all that bad? Or at least tell us what evil things Scion and Vice are doing that would give us reason to hate them for being unethical. i mean, it's not like they're giving these bands boatloads of money and forcing them to become more mainstream. all they're doing is promoting music, much of it to a new audience. true, they are gatekeepers in this regard, so they're obviously filtering out some of it, and yes, perhaps some of the more gritty of the bunch, but it sounds like just because some of these bands aren't to your taste that you're taking up arms against the whole lot. or is it just because this whole music thing is somehow so much more important than all that other everyday life stuff to mean that you can support those other corporations for their intrusions into your life, but when it comes to the music you love, it's HELL, NO, MAN. that's going too far!! come on. you also said "when you interview these bands and they don't have any reference point for the music they're playing..." a couple questions: which bands have you interviewed about this and can we read them? please post links. you apparently seem to know a lot about them since you say they "don't know anything about" all these other bands that came before them, so you must have some sort of proof to back this up, otherwise you're no more than a Rush Limbaugh of garage rock (one who makes sweeping generalizations and states opinion as fact without actually backing any of it up with, you know, PROOF). if not, then i'm afraid i'd have to call bullshit on your point of view, man.

Count Brockula said:

Couple of things...

I am anti-corporate. ... I avoid all corporate culture as much as possible and it's easier than you'd think.

When you interview some of these bands and they don't have any reference point for the music they're playing, it makes you wonder. They don't know anything about the 60s bands or even the 80s garage bands that made all of this possible. They don't know anything about the people who built this from the ground up. ... I call bullshit on most of these newer bands.

Ha! That's funny: "I blame the White Stripes..."

Dana V. Hatch said:

Thank you, Count. Your post pretty much sums up what's wrong with this thing. And the scene in general. When I see these new bands I have to ask Where's the sickness, the noise, the aggression, the hate that characterized the new garage scene when it was actually new (about 20 years ago)? Bands like the Gories and Mummies were vehemently anti-commercial and it does mean something. I blame the White Stripes for today's parade of nutless wonders grooming themselves for their big chance on a Gap commercial.


Count Brockula said:

Couple of things...

I could care less if anything stays underground (no such thing anyway, especially with the internet and media saturation). I haven't worried about "street cred" for probably 25 years, if I ever did. That's not at all my point. The quality of the video has nothing to do with my ire - it's what it represents that set me off.

I don't mind labels and bands getting paid for their hard work. I have played in bands since 1980 and run a record label and have published zines and ran a screen printing and sticker company. As much as I would love somebody to pay me for my hard work, I'm not going to take corporate money. Period. When I was a kid, if we wanted anything we did it ourselves. If we wanted to do a show or put out a record or make t-shirts and stickers - you just went out and did it. There was a scene that supported your efforts and that's how you got paid - not taking a dollar from McDonald's. I still feel that this is the way things should be done. Everything I've done has gotten by and I've very rarely lost money on any of my projects and this has all come from the support of fans, etc who have specifically done things with because I am anti-corporate. I've had a couple of offers over the years and I turned them down (Virgin and WEA). In 1998, an instrumental song I had written and recorded in 1991 (and had forgotten about) ended up in a national ad for an insurance company (take too long to explain how they got the song). I didn't even know it until I got a pretty substantial check (I owned a TV and VCR with no access to broadcast TV). Even though I was in somewhat dire financial straits at the time, I donated the money to a homeless shelter and a food bank. It has nothing to do with "street cred" or "hip factor" or "staying underground". I just don't believe in taking corporate money for my crap. I avoid all corporate culture as much as possible and it's easier than you'd think. I can think of several labels who are doing quite well without becoming corporate whores and taking their filthy lucre. They are very successful and did it with fan support and they're bigger than any of these labels that are selling their souls.

A good chunk of these bands are about as real as the tits on a Barbie. When you interview some of these bands and they don't have any reference point for the music they're playing, it makes you wonder. They don't know anything about the 60s bands or even the 80s garage bands that made all of this possible. They don't know anything about the people who built this from the ground up. That's not only unforgivable, it's suspect (age is NO excuse, especially with the availability of all of this stuff). It's just like when punk broke in the 70s, bands were all of the sudden "punk" bands because they saw it as a way to get noticed. The same thing's happening with this. I don't see most of these bands as the "real deal" - I see them as just the opposite. I'm not operating in a vacuum here or sitting in an ivory tower pontificating. I am actively involved as a promoter, a label owner, a "musician" and a "journalist" and have been doing this shit for 30 years (shit, I am old!). I call bullshit on most of these newer bands.

Most importantly, I am a crotchety old fuck and earned the right to be a fucking curmudgeon.

Honestly, I don't really care as much about this as I make out. Though I believe in everything I said, the bottom line is that I am laid up after knee surgery, I don't watch TV and am really bored. I do believe that Scion are corporate assholes and Vice are a bunch of douche bags. I hate seeing people smooching corporate ass and I kind of felt like baiting people - I am that bored. I guess that makes me an asshole.

Good question.

Hideout Admin said:

Where are the Cheater Slicks? ;)

Dana V. Hatch said:

Where's the sickness, the noise, the aggression, the hate that characterized the new garage scene when it was actually new (about 20 years ago)?

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does anyone know were i could find Lost Ones - Trouble in the Streets  ???? comps????

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Evert L Pipkin is my absolute favorite MOAM? vocal track. To the best of my knowledge, the only time they ever performed it live was at their 2006 reunion at The Bottletree in Birmingham, AL. After years of searching, Jonny Browning, their new rhythm player, finally hooked me up with a great bootleg of the show.

Destination Venus is all you need...!

Kill, Baby...Kill! said:

Man or Astro-man? had/have lots of songs with lead vocals. Below is the best list I can compile with song and album. These are all actual vocal songs and not the songs using samples...I also did not include live versions and still may have missed a few....

Mermaid Love - Is it Man or Astro-man?
Mystery Science Theater 3K - Destroy all Astromen
Destination Venus - Destory all Astromen/Your Weight on the Moon
Max Q - Intravenuos Television Continuum/Project Infinity
Calling Hong Kong - Intravenuos Television Continuum
Manta Ray - Project Infinity
U-uranus - Deluxe Men in Space
9 Volt - Experiment Zero
Anoxia - Experiment Zero
Television Man - Experiment Zero
Specific Gravity - 1000x
Universe City - 1000x
With Automatic Shutoff - 1000x
Lo Batt - Made from Technetium
Junk Satellite - Made from Technetium
Breathing Iron Oxide - Made from Technetium
Static Cling - Made from Technetium
Evert L Pipkin - Made from Technetium
U-235 PU-239 - EEVIAC
Domain of the Human race - EEVIAC
Psychology of AI - EEVIAC
As Estralas Agora Elas Estao Mortas - EEVIAC
Within One Universe There are Millions - A Spectrum of Infinite Scale
Interplanet Janet - Schoolhouse Rocks
Jimmy Neutron Theme - Never released and is Starcrunch Solo with MOAM backing him.
Philip K Dick (vocal version) - Obscure mail-in only track never officially released

Man or Astro-man? had/have lots of songs with lead vocals. Below is the best list I can compile with song and album. These are all actual vocal songs and not the songs using samples...I also did not include live versions and still may have missed a few....

Mermaid Love - Is it Man or Astro-man?
Mystery Science Theater 3K - Destroy all Astromen
Destination Venus - Destory all Astromen/Your Weight on the Moon
Max Q - Intravenuos Television Continuum/Project Infinity
Calling Hong Kong - Intravenuos Television Continuum
Manta Ray - Project Infinity
U-uranus - Deluxe Men in Space
9 Volt - Experiment Zero
Anoxia - Experiment Zero
Television Man - Experiment Zero
Specific Gravity - 1000x
Universe City - 1000x
With Automatic Shutoff - 1000x
Lo Batt - Made from Technetium
Junk Satellite - Made from Technetium
Breathing Iron Oxide - Made from Technetium
Static Cling - Made from Technetium
Evert L Pipkin - Made from Technetium
U-235 PU-239 - EEVIAC
Domain of the Human race - EEVIAC
Psychology of AI - EEVIAC
As Estralas Agora Elas Estao Mortas - EEVIAC
Within One Universe There are Millions - A Spectrum of Infinite Scale
Interplanet Janet - Schoolhouse Rocks
Jimmy Neutron Theme - Never released and is Starcrunch Solo with MOAM backing him.
Philip K Dick (vocal version) - Obscure mail-in only track never officially released

and dressing like a Michael Jackson impersonator....

For drums, I cannot urge you enough to check out the program BFD2. Go to the website and you will be amazed at what you hear.

I play Eastwood's Sidejack model and I have nothing but good things to say about it. The craftsmanship is 2nd to none and the improvements on the most recent model really brought it into it's own. Just not, with this particular model, the original had a bigsby tremolo which was quite good. Then, they switched to a 'burns' tremolo system which was absolutely terrible. Now, they have switched to a traditional Jazzmaster style tremolo and I could not be happier with it. The P-90s, while they could stand to be a bit hotter, have a wonderful tone. The neck is fast and flat. The finish is wonderful. I highly suggest checking them out. From what I see, they only become a better company with each year.

Hi all.

Easy question. The answer is, of course, Dinah Cancer from .45 Grave.

In regard to the pickup question, the Mosrites had overwound P-90s that were very 'hot'. These sound very different from standard P-90s found on todays guitars.

I actually play an Eastwood Sidejack, which is their take on the old mosrites. It is a great guitar for a great price. However, if you really want a Mosrite, I suggest checking out Hallmark guitars. These run just under 1000usd and are the best repros made at the moment, even over those with the Mosrite name. Even better, Hallmark are made by one of Semi Mosleys colaborators so this guy knows the Mosrite inside and out. Even better than that, one of the biggest complaints about the original Mosrites is how thin the neck is and how narrow the nut is, placing the strings very close together. Hallmark has fixed this with a more standard gibson nut width. Even Brian from Man or Astro-man? has been playing these since they got back together.