this is kind of why I avoid a lot of "discussion" on the internet. if it's "old", it's "cheesy" or slagged in some form. yeah it's a big big world and everybody has an opinion but it becomes tiring reading reviews or websites that seem to think the world did not begin until 2005 or something. not trashing the Hideout, there is the occassional person I disagree with-like this one-but there are other sites where everything is subject to hipster dismissal. (can't think of any music sites at the moment but the IMDB is a perfect example of moron reviews) I just choose not to read 'em. kopper said:

I'm not really sure I understand your continuous use of the word "cheesy" to describe these bands. >

Well, I forgot for a moment til now that the Trashmen did have one moment of cheesiness when Steve Wahrer appeared on Bandstand by himself doing Surfin' Bird. Instead of singing from behind the drumset (that actually would have looked strange without a band), he's dancing while singing (well lip syncing anyway). But this wasn't his fault. Management didn't want to pay air fare for the whole band and this wasn't during a west coast tour or anything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fruHQhNe-UM

In terms of anything recorded by the Ventures after 1967, I understand your meaning of cheesy. It's not goofy fun, it's goofy stupid. Especially the 10th Anniversary album. The album title itself is deceiving. You were probably expecting all their great songs covering a 10 year time span and you get crap. But I wouldn't describe them or the Trashmen as cheesy. It may not be pounding to the skull stuff but it's not your typical for 1960-64 top 40 either. if anything is cheesy, it's those Frankie, Bobby, and Johnny (no, not Cash. He's great) songs. Or those girl singles sung by teen age actresses trying to make it as third rate Leslie Gores. Yeah, I wouldn't confuse clean professionalism as cheesiness, though. Cyco Sanchez said:

But I have to ask one more thing, without opening another thread: What is this thing about The Ventures? I really love their early stuff, but then I bought this 10th anniversary album and was shocked. It IS cheesy, or am I also wrong in this case?

Actually, this really isn't a compilation. It's the first album with 4 bonus tracks. But I haven't got it (and unfortunately I don't have that box set either), but I can guess what they sound like if they were recorded at the same time. FREDDI said:

Here's one of the Trashmen classics compilations from Sundazed Records and a basic point to begin:

note to the forum: my typing really, really stinks.

listening to SAVAGE KICK #5 today. Kopper played the Snics "have will will travel"....Gerry Roslie owns it...just close the fucking thread down!

well, she's not rock and roll exactly, but diamanda galas scares the hell out of me

what I want to know is if 38 Special still has the guy with the beard....

I mean, honestly, who gives a flying fuck?

PLAY SOME FREEBIRD MANG!

Can we keep this forum focus on GARAGEPUNK?

If someone mentions Free Bird I'm gonna go postal!

Lynyrd Skynyrd ate my dynyr.

Van Zant looks like his brother and his voice is pretty similar.Are they as good as lynyrd were,are they any good at all?

oh, I think Smashmouth are pretty horrid too! Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

I think that Smashmouth version of I Can't Get Enough of you Baby is pretty horrid.

oh my god! dance version of "pushin to hard"! I want to die! S.Law said:

I was in a gay leather bar many years ago and there was a techo dance version of "pushin' too hard". no clue who did it, but more funny than bad.

45 Grave's "black cross" as covered by the red hot chilli peppers is something I never want to hear again.

moby's cover of MISSION OF BURMA's "that's when I reach for my revolver", redone as "that's when I realize it's over" has to be the worst, no balls.

blank 77-any Ramones cover. saw them open for ANTI-NOWHERE LEAGUE, terrible. half their set consisted of RAMONES songs(I don't think anybody at this point should be covering "blitzkrieg bop"). all washed out and stale. blank 77 is typical "punk by the numbers" even on record.

Ramones 1st self titled album circa 1976! Listened to that over and over again, although quite a few years after the initial release. At the time, I was pretty into the clash's first album though.

sorry dude, i know that was YOUR list, never meant to intrude. only mentioning a couple bands, which in MY opinion were quite influential, and have otherwise been pretty overlooked in all the above very FORMULAIC lists. sorry again!! Gringo Starr said:

These are my favorite ALBUMS from the "First Punk Era" (which is really the second punk era) not yours. I was really thinking about the BEST shit. There is a lot of music from this time to choose from but my list includes only the most influential albums (in my opinion) from that time frame. Thank you, goodbye.

Johnny Quid said:

i must repeat again: no Eater? what about Johnny Moped? surely the Nipple Erectors...

These are my favorite ALBUMS from the "First Punk Era" (which is really the second punk era) not yours. I was really thinking about the BEST shit. There is a lot of music from this time to choose from but my list includes only the most influential albums (in my opinion) from that time frame. Thank you, goodbye. Johnny Quid said:

i must repeat again: no Eater? what about Johnny Moped? surely the Nipple Erectors...

i must repeat again: no Eater? what about Johnny Moped? surely the Nipple Erectors...

Damn! Someone reminded me of that two years ago and I forgot to include it again!! Yes. Crossing the Red Sea with the Adverts 1978 I'm sure I will post the full list again on the next page with the above addition. Thank you. The Desperate Twisters said:

Sorry, I'm really allergic to Patti Smith !!!

But I love insanity !!!

And I still believe that "Crossing the red sea with The Adverts" should be in your (great) list Gring !

@Joanie : "Concrete" by 999 is pretty cool too. Less"punk",if that means something, than the first 2 records but it's probably my favorite LP from 999.

Sorry, I'm really allergic to Patti Smith !!!

But I love insanity !!!

And I still believe that "Crossing the red sea with The Adverts" should be in your (great) list Gring !

@Joanie : "Concrete" by 999 is pretty cool too. Less"punk",if that means something, than the first 2 records but it's probably my favorite LP from 999.

Eeegads!! Now there's a post about Lynyrd Skynyrd! Push the Red Panic Button NOW, Kopper!!!!! kopper said:

Hell, look at the discussion threads on this forum lately... Oasis? The Lemonheads? Courtney Love? C'mon, can't we do better than that? This is GaragePunk.com... not AltRock.com.

Ryan Katastrophe said:

I don't intentionally try to hip the unconverted anymore, although I'm sure I do subconsciously. I schill my podcast on Facebook and Twitter where probably less than a third of the people I'm friends with give a shit. I DJ at a bar every now and again where, I'd imagine, very few of the patrons listen to this music regularly. The folks who work at the bar seem to enjoy it though and I do get a few compliments each time I spin. I think you just have to have it in you to dig this kind of stuff. Let's face it, the world ain't round, it's square.

Wasn't King Louie the keyboardist?

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