i NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT LIKE THAT..... GG was also a Wayne County fan , and he did the same thing years before GG ever did. I was at , not the  first , but one of the first shows where GG.....um...."Made'' onstage , in Dallas , in 1985. What little I'd read about him did'nt include anything like THAT. I met him before the show , and he casually mentioned "Last week , I did this show , and I ate a stick of Ex- Lax before I went on , and , THEN...". HEY , AT LEAST , HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO WARN ME.
 
Chris Henniker said:

GG Allin was influenced by Alice Cooper, so I think he got the idea of having a shit on stage from that story.  

melissa scott said:

Oh YESSSS! Great classic r & r myth! Love IT!

swt said:

You mentioned the great Frank Zappa/Alice Cooper onstage gross-out contest in the late 60s or early 70s. Here's the version I was told back in the 60s/ early 70s

Seems that Zappa had Alice come out on stage at some concert. But instead of playing a song together, they decided to have a gross-out contest. I don't recall the preliminary feats of disgust, but eventually Alice, in what he assumed would be the winning play, took a dump on the stage. But not to be outdone, Zappa got a spoon (most bands usually have silverware onstage during a gig, right?) and took a big steamin' bite. Frank won the contest.

Back in high school, around the time this supposedly happened, I heard that story repeated several times by friends and school mates.

But in the 1980s, when original Mothers drummer Jimmy Carl Black moved to New Mexico, I asked him about it. About halfway through my question, Jim took over and told the rest of the story. "SO it's actually TRUE?" I asked incredulously. "Fuck No!" he said.

Later in his band of fellow Zappa vets called The Grandmothers, Jimmy and Don Preston recorded a song called "The Eternal Question" (originally titled "What Was Zappa Really Like?") -- which contains a refrain, "And did he really shit on the stage?"

THE OTHER , WELL KNOWN , VARIATION OF THAT STORY WAS , ALICE WAS FAMOUS FOR TELLING HIS AUDIENCES "YOU PEOPLE ARE CRAZIER THAN WE ARE !!!".....

SUPPOSEDLY , HE DECIDED TO PROVE IT , OFFERING $10 ,000 (ENOUGH TO BUY TWO PRETTY SWEET CARS , AND A STONES TICKET , IN 1973.) TO ANYONE THAT COULD GROSS HIM OUT. A YOUNG LADY MADE HER WAY TO THE STAGE , PROCEEDED TO TAKE A DUMP , WHICH ALICE  , PROCLAIMING "WE HAVE A WINNER!" AS HE PICKED IT UP , SAYING ''And that winner is....me. Gulp ".  

OF COURSE , THAT STORY IS AS CREDIBLE AS THE ONE ABOUT HIM SETTING A GIANT BALLOON OUT OVER THE CROWD , WHICH , OF COURSE , HE STILL DOES , BUT THIS ONE WAS LINED WITH WORMS , AND , WHEN IT POPPED OPEN.......

ALL these myths have there roots in the notorious Alice Cooper Group performance at The Toronto Rock'n'Roll Revival. Everyone knows that story. Alice picked a chicken up , and threw it toward the audience , thinking that chickens could fly. Though he swore someone just set the chicken out on  the stage , and that it was actually the peace - loving audience members who took the bird apart with their bare hands , the next day , the press said "Alice Cooper Bites off Chicken's Head and Sucks the Blood !". Frank Zappa asked him if it really went down that way. He said , "No !". Zappa replied , "Well , don't tell anyone that. THIS kind of publicity , you can't buy !".

swt said:

You mentioned the great Frank Zappa/Alice Cooper onstage gross-out contest in the late 60s or early 70s. Here's the version I was told back in the 60s/ early 70s

Seems that Zappa had Alice come out on stage at some concert. But instead of playing a song together, they decided to have a gross-out contest. I don't recall the preliminary feats of disgust, but eventually Alice, in what he assumed would be the winning play, took a dump on the stage. But not to be outdone, Zappa got a spoon (most bands usually have silverware onstage during a gig, right?) and took a big steamin' bite. Frank won the contest.

Back in high school, around the time this supposedly happened, I heard that story repeated several times by friends and school mates.

But in the 1980s, when original Mothers drummer Jimmy Carl Black moved to New Mexico, I asked him about it. About halfway through my question, Jim took over and told the rest of the story. "SO it's actually TRUE?" I asked incredulously. "Fuck No!" he said.

Later in his band of fellow Zappa vets called The Grandmothers, Jimmy and Don Preston recorded a song called "The Eternal Question" (originally titled "What Was Zappa Really Like?") -- which contains a refrain, "And did he really shit on the stage?"

GG Allin was influenced by Alice Cooper, so I think he got the idea of having a shit on stage from that story.  

melissa scott said:

Oh YESSSS! Great classic r & r myth! Love IT!

swt said:

You mentioned the great Frank Zappa/Alice Cooper onstage gross-out contest in the late 60s or early 70s. Here's the version I was told back in the 60s/ early 70s

Seems that Zappa had Alice come out on stage at some concert. But instead of playing a song together, they decided to have a gross-out contest. I don't recall the preliminary feats of disgust, but eventually Alice, in what he assumed would be the winning play, took a dump on the stage. But not to be outdone, Zappa got a spoon (most bands usually have silverware onstage during a gig, right?) and took a big steamin' bite. Frank won the contest.

Back in high school, around the time this supposedly happened, I heard that story repeated several times by friends and school mates.

But in the 1980s, when original Mothers drummer Jimmy Carl Black moved to New Mexico, I asked him about it. About halfway through my question, Jim took over and told the rest of the story. "SO it's actually TRUE?" I asked incredulously. "Fuck No!" he said.

Later in his band of fellow Zappa vets called The Grandmothers, Jimmy and Don Preston recorded a song called "The Eternal Question" (originally titled "What Was Zappa Really Like?") -- which contains a refrain, "And did he really shit on the stage?"

Oh YESSSS! Great classic r & r myth! Love IT!

swt said:

You mentioned the great Frank Zappa/Alice Cooper onstage gross-out contest in the late 60s or early 70s. Here's the version I was told back in the 60s/ early 70s

Seems that Zappa had Alice come out on stage at some concert. But instead of playing a song together, they decided to have a gross-out contest. I don't recall the preliminary feats of disgust, but eventually Alice, in what he assumed would be the winning play, took a dump on the stage. But not to be outdone, Zappa got a spoon (most bands usually have silverware onstage during a gig, right?) and took a big steamin' bite. Frank won the contest.

Back in high school, around the time this supposedly happened, I heard that story repeated several times by friends and school mates.

But in the 1980s, when original Mothers drummer Jimmy Carl Black moved to New Mexico, I asked him about it. About halfway through my question, Jim took over and told the rest of the story. "SO it's actually TRUE?" I asked incredulously. "Fuck No!" he said.

Later in his band of fellow Zappa vets called The Grandmothers, Jimmy and Don Preston recorded a song called "The Eternal Question" (originally titled "What Was Zappa Really Like?") -- which contains a refrain, "And did he really shit on the stage?"

You mentioned the great Frank Zappa/Alice Cooper onstage gross-out contest in the late 60s or early 70s. Here's the version I was told back in the 60s/ early 70s

Seems that Zappa had Alice come out on stage at some concert. But instead of playing a song together, they decided to have a gross-out contest. I don't recall the preliminary feats of disgust, but eventually Alice, in what he assumed would be the winning play, took a dump on the stage. But not to be outdone, Zappa got a spoon (most bands usually have silverware onstage during a gig, right?) and took a big steamin' bite. Frank won the contest.

Back in high school, around the time this supposedly happened, I heard that story repeated several times by friends and school mates.

But in the 1980s, when original Mothers drummer Jimmy Carl Black moved to New Mexico, I asked him about it. About halfway through my question, Jim took over and told the rest of the story. "SO it's actually TRUE?" I asked incredulously. "Fuck No!" he said.

Later in his band of fellow Zappa vets called The Grandmothers, Jimmy and Don Preston recorded a song called "The Eternal Question" (originally titled "What Was Zappa Really Like?") -- which contains a refrain, "And did he really shit on the stage?"

I can back Mark George Harrison up on this one, I was going to say the same thing until I came across his post. When I started reading this thread I had to Google the Rod Stewart myth to find out what is was, only to find that it was the one I'd heard attributed to Marc Almond, roughly around the time of 'Tainted Love', or a bit later. 

John Battles said:

IN SLADESPEAK : CUM ON , MAN , YER MAKIN THAT NOIZE UP.
 
Mark George Harrison said:

Strangely I'd never heard the Rod myth, here (UK) it was always credited to Marc Almond.

John Battles said:

YOU KNOW WHAT , YOU'RE RIGHT ! THERE IS A BOOK , THERE.....I heard it in Junior High at the same time. We were kids , not particularly progressive in our thinking , we wanted to believe certain things , but , in the back of my mind , I thought another kid at school made it up.  I did'nt hear the story again for YEARS , until my friend's band , Lava Sutra , made reference to it in a song. It WAS the equivalent of what "Going viral "is , today. Peter Bagge DID A HILARIOUS CARTOON , around that time ,  changing said Rock STAR'S NAME TO "Reginald".

trashman said:

Well we all know the Rod Stewart one.

But what I find interesting is how it all evolved.  I remember hearing it back in 4th or 5th grade (1979 or 80); but I heard it from a kid in a lunch room.  And I thought it sort of started there. Then I met kids in other high schools and they knew it.  Then onto college and they knew it.  Then professional life living all over the U.S. and they knew it.  

This rumor was spread before the days of the internet so remarkable the way it carried along an oral tradition (no pun intended) of storytelling.  Of course, we all got to an age we knew it was false but remarkable to the extent this dirty little rumor spread.  

I recently heard Rod Stewart address while doing the media tour for his new book.  It was started by an ex-publicist he fired.  Remarkable.  

The way this story spread via person to person in the late 70s/80s is worth a book in itself.

But , the book I saw , I think , was more of a Motorhead bio than one specifically about Lemmy. If it had been the book you read , I would have bought it..Especially as it was literally one of the only things left at Crown Books' Going Out of BUSINESS sALE...This one looked like it was probably chock full of omissions.
 
Kirk Teeters said:

Nah, that was the authentic "written by Lemmy" autobio. Trust me, if it had been ghostwritten they would have omitted some of the redundancies, tightened up the Time-frame and probably tried to make him seem less infatuated with himself.

That said, it was a fun read, and reminds me why I left "the Road."

John Battles said:

Was that an unauthorized Lemmy bio? i SAW A BOOK LIKE THAT at Crown Books , just before they went out of business. I can't remember why I didnt buy it....
 
Kirk Teeters said:

Well, I just finished my son's copy of 'White Line Fever', and though he never spoke specifically about this particular thang, he certainly didn't go out of his way to say that it was bunk. As much as I enjoyed reading it, it was a masterpiece of self promotion, mostly.

John Battles said:

No , the rumor is that he has to drink a fifth , plus a 40 ouncer , or he'll die.

Just kidding , a lot of people couldn't handle the TRUTH about Lemmy , that he's a gentleman , so they cling to rumor and innuendo to perpretuate the "Badass" myth. Sure , his lunch break beats our lives , but , he wouldn't still be alive , today , without some semblance of balance.  As for hard drinking , yes , the "Lemmy 45 Proof Complete Bastard " documentary is chock full of testimonials that he has the constitution of two Keith Richards , three Jerry Lee Lewises  and a fleet of horses.  I'm kidding about the title.
 
Kirk Teeters said:

And how 'bout the rumor that Lemmy has to drink a fifth a day, or he'll die. And that should someone be so unfortunate as to get a transfusion from him, it would kill them instantly?

Thanks for the link. I'll have to read it , later , as my eyes are shot to Hell at the moment....

It does'nt seem like he had enough proof to substantiate the claim , but , I'd have to read the piece , first.
 
Chris Henniker said:

That's what Paul Gambaccini said,  Saville was a necrophile .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2221922/Jimmy-Savile-necrop...

John Battles said:

Chris ,   I only recently heard about Jimmy Saville's scandal (Word is slow getting to the backwoods of the USA .). But , it's true about John Wayne Gacy and The Kinks.   Ray and Dave confirmed it , though .  Gacy was a respected member of the community in Chicago , even when he WAS killing all those boys. He did all that charity work as "Pogo The Clown" , and got his picture taken with The President's wife......HE MANAGED TO COVER HIS TRACKS FOR A LONG TIME........          Anyway , I don't know about GG being best mates with JWG. He was , most likely , just one of his many "Pen Pals".  GG was in jail in Michigan
for part of the latter years of Gacy's incarceration , here. He did live in Chicago before he went to jail , but , I seriously doubt he could have been granted an audience with Gacy , then. But , sure , he probably wrote to him. I liked your comment at the beginning - "Getting a quote for kitchen or cellar extensions? " - HA HAHHHH!!!   BTW , Morgue Rat?  Does that mean Saville was also a Necrophile ? THAT'S ALL KINDS OF FUCKED UP. I always thought he was just this funny , goofy personality. Looks and mannerisms are so decieving , as Gacy , sadly , went to great lengths to prove.
Chris Henniker said:

Gacy with Ray Davies? I wouldn't buy that, for the simple reason that it's tooo preposterous. What would he be doing in Gacy's house, anyway? Getting a quote for a kitchen or cellar extension?  

I know Gacy was best mates with GG Allin, even doing skull paintings for the punks, but seems to far fetched.

Now what about rock'n'roll rumours that were verified as true? Jimmy Saville being a kiddy diddler & morgue rat being one.

  

John Battles said:
As for Ray Davies , there's no doubt he was stressed out , and had a run of bad luck (3 year Ban from The US , anyone?). But , he's probably the luckiest man alive. When he and his Brother went to John Wayne Gacy's house , at least he had'nt begun his killing spree.

That's what Paul Gambaccini said,  Saville was a necrophile .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2221922/Jimmy-Savile-necrophiliac-says-colleague-Paul-Gambaccini.html

John Battles said:

Chris ,   I only recently heard about Jimmy Saville's scandal (Word is slow getting to the backwoods of the USA .). But , it's true about John Wayne Gacy and The Kinks.   Ray and Dave confirmed it , though .  Gacy was a respected member of the community in Chicago , even when he WAS killing all those boys. He did all that charity work as "Pogo The Clown" , and got his picture taken with The President's wife......HE MANAGED TO COVER HIS TRACKS FOR A LONG TIME........          Anyway , I don't know about GG being best mates with JWG. He was , most likely , just one of his many "Pen Pals".  GG was in jail in Michigan
for part of the latter years of Gacy's incarceration , here. He did live in Chicago before he went to jail , but , I seriously doubt he could have been granted an audience with Gacy , then. But , sure , he probably wrote to him. I liked your comment at the beginning - "Getting a quote for kitchen or cellar extensions? " - HA HAHHHH!!!   BTW , Morgue Rat?  Does that mean Saville was also a Necrophile ? THAT'S ALL KINDS OF FUCKED UP. I always thought he was just this funny , goofy personality. Looks and mannerisms are so decieving , as Gacy , sadly , went to great lengths to prove.
Chris Henniker said:

Gacy with Ray Davies? I wouldn't buy that, for the simple reason that it's tooo preposterous. What would he be doing in Gacy's house, anyway? Getting a quote for a kitchen or cellar extension?  

I know Gacy was best mates with GG Allin, even doing skull paintings for the punks, but seems to far fetched.

Now what about rock'n'roll rumours that were verified as true? Jimmy Saville being a kiddy diddler & morgue rat being one.

  

John Battles said:
As for Ray Davies , there's no doubt he was stressed out , and had a run of bad luck (3 year Ban from The US , anyone?). But , he's probably the luckiest man alive. When he and his Brother went to John Wayne Gacy's house , at least he had'nt begun his killing spree.

Nah, that was the authentic "written by Lemmy" autobio. Trust me, if it had been ghostwritten they would have omitted some of the redundancies, tightened up the Time-frame and probably tried to make him seem less infatuated with himself.

That said, it was a fun read, and reminds me why I left "the Road."

John Battles said:

Was that an unauthorized Lemmy bio? i SAW A BOOK LIKE THAT at Crown Books , just before they went out of business. I can't remember why I didnt buy it....
 
Kirk Teeters said:

Well, I just finished my son's copy of 'White Line Fever', and though he never spoke specifically about this particular thang, he certainly didn't go out of his way to say that it was bunk. As much as I enjoyed reading it, it was a masterpiece of self promotion, mostly.

John Battles said:

No , the rumor is that he has to drink a fifth , plus a 40 ouncer , or he'll die.

Just kidding , a lot of people couldn't handle the TRUTH about Lemmy , that he's a gentleman , so they cling to rumor and innuendo to perpretuate the "Badass" myth. Sure , his lunch break beats our lives , but , he wouldn't still be alive , today , without some semblance of balance.  As for hard drinking , yes , the "Lemmy 45 Proof Complete Bastard " documentary is chock full of testimonials that he has the constitution of two Keith Richards , three Jerry Lee Lewises  and a fleet of horses.  I'm kidding about the title.
 
Kirk Teeters said:

And how 'bout the rumor that Lemmy has to drink a fifth a day, or he'll die. And that should someone be so unfortunate as to get a transfusion from him, it would kill them instantly?

Was that an unauthorized Lemmy bio? i SAW A BOOK LIKE THAT at Crown Books , just before they went out of business. I can't remember why I didnt buy it....
 
Kirk Teeters said:

Well, I just finished my son's copy of 'White Line Fever', and though he never spoke specifically about this particular thang, he certainly didn't go out of his way to say that it was bunk. As much as I enjoyed reading it, it was a masterpiece of self promotion, mostly.

John Battles said:

No , the rumor is that he has to drink a fifth , plus a 40 ouncer , or he'll die.

Just kidding , a lot of people couldn't handle the TRUTH about Lemmy , that he's a gentleman , so they cling to rumor and innuendo to perpretuate the "Badass" myth. Sure , his lunch break beats our lives , but , he wouldn't still be alive , today , without some semblance of balance.  As for hard drinking , yes , the "Lemmy 45 Proof Complete Bastard " documentary is chock full of testimonials that he has the constitution of two Keith Richards , three Jerry Lee Lewises  and a fleet of horses.  I'm kidding about the title.
 
Kirk Teeters said:

And how 'bout the rumor that Lemmy has to drink a fifth a day, or he'll die. And that should someone be so unfortunate as to get a transfusion from him, it would kill them instantly?

Well, I just finished my son's copy of 'White Line Fever', and though he never spoke specifically about this particular thang, he certainly didn't go out of his way to say that it was bunk. As much as I enjoyed reading it, it was a masterpiece of self promotion, mostly.

John Battles said:

No , the rumor is that he has to drink a fifth , plus a 40 ouncer , or he'll die.

Just kidding , a lot of people couldn't handle the TRUTH about Lemmy , that he's a gentleman , so they cling to rumor and innuendo to perpretuate the "Badass" myth. Sure , his lunch break beats our lives , but , he wouldn't still be alive , today , without some semblance of balance.  As for hard drinking , yes , the "Lemmy 45 Proof Complete Bastard " documentary is chock full of testimonials that he has the constitution of two Keith Richards , three Jerry Lee Lewises  and a fleet of horses.  I'm kidding about the title.
 
Kirk Teeters said:

And how 'bout the rumor that Lemmy has to drink a fifth a day, or he'll die. And that should someone be so unfortunate as to get a transfusion from him, it would kill them instantly?

I know it might seem preposterous , but Ray confirmed that this did happen. You did'nt need a whole lot of credentials to work in concert promotions in America in the mid - 60's. Davies said that it was'nt until much later , of course , after Gacy was captured , that he was asked if he remembered meeting him , and he said , yes. But , of course , he described him as rather unimposing. It's no more improbable than an unknown , but not particularly gifted , singer and songwriter called Charles Manson winning Dennis Wilson , and much of his entourage , over , and even getting The Beach Boys to cover one of his songs.
 
Chris Henniker said:

I knew that Gacy was respected as a businessman and Democratic Party precinct captain, but I'm incredulous that he met Ray Davies. How did that come about? I sometimes cite the photo of Gacy & Rosalyn Carter as an example of a PR disaster in some job applications. 

John Battles said:

Chris ,   I only recently heard about Jimmy Saville's scandal (Word is slow getting to the backwoods of the USA .). But , it's true about John Wayne Gacy and The Kinks.   Ray and Dave confirmed it , though .  Gacy was a respected member of the community in Chicago , even when he WAS killing all those boys. He did all that charity work as "Pogo The Clown" , and got his picture taken with The President's wife......HE MANAGED TO COVER HIS TRACKS FOR A LONG TIME........          Anyway , I don't know about GG being best mates with JWG. He was , most likely , just one of his many "Pen Pals".  GG was in jail in Michigan
for part of the latter years of Gacy's incarceration , here. He did live in Chicago before he went to jail , but , I seriously doubt he could have been granted an audience with Gacy , then. But , sure , he probably wrote to him. I liked your comment at the beginning - "Getting a quote for kitchen or cellar extensions? " - HA HAHHHH!!!   BTW , Morgue Rat?  Does that mean Saville was also a Necrophile ? THAT'S ALL KINDS OF FUCKED UP. I always thought he was just this funny , goofy personality. Looks and mannerisms are so decieving , as Gacy , sadly , went to great lengths to prove.
Chris Henniker said:

Gacy with Ray Davies? I wouldn't buy that, for the simple reason that it's tooo preposterous. What would he be doing in Gacy's house, anyway? Getting a quote for a kitchen or cellar extension?  

I know Gacy was best mates with GG Allin, even doing skull paintings for the punks, but seems to far fetched.

Now what about rock'n'roll rumours that were verified as true? Jimmy Saville being a kiddy diddler & morgue rat being one.

  

John Battles said:
As for Ray Davies , there's no doubt he was stressed out , and had a run of bad luck (3 year Ban from The US , anyone?). But , he's probably the luckiest man alive. When he and his Brother went to John Wayne Gacy's house , at least he had'nt begun his killing spree.

No , the rumor is that he has to drink a fifth , plus a 40 ouncer , or he'll die.

Just kidding , a lot of people could'nt handle the TRUTH about Lemmy , that he's a gentleman , so they cling to rumor and innuendo to perpretuate the "Badass" myth. Sure , his lunch break beats our lives , but , he would'nt still be alive , today , without some semblance of balance.  As for hard drinking , yes , the "Lemmy 45 Proof Complete Bastard " documentary is chock full of testimonials that he has the constitution of two Keith Richards , three Jerry Lee Lewises  and a fleet of horses.  I'm kidding about the title.
 
Kirk Teeters said:

And how 'bout the rumor that Lemmy has to drink a fifth a day, or he'll die. And that should someone be so unfortunate as to get a transfusion from him, it would kill them instantly?

And how 'bout the rumor that Lemmy has to drink a fifth a day, or he'll die. And that should someone be so unfortunate as to get a transfusion from him, it would kill them instantly?

I knew that Gacy was respected as a businessman and Democratic Party precinct captain, but I'm incredulous that he met Ray Davies. How did that come about? I sometimes cite the photo of Gacy & Rosalyn Carter as an example of a PR disaster in some job applications. 

John Battles said:

Chris ,   I only recently heard about Jimmy Saville's scandal (Word is slow getting to the backwoods of the USA .). But , it's true about John Wayne Gacy and The Kinks.   Ray and Dave confirmed it , though .  Gacy was a respected member of the community in Chicago , even when he WAS killing all those boys. He did all that charity work as "Pogo The Clown" , and got his picture taken with The President's wife......HE MANAGED TO COVER HIS TRACKS FOR A LONG TIME........          Anyway , I don't know about GG being best mates with JWG. He was , most likely , just one of his many "Pen Pals".  GG was in jail in Michigan
for part of the latter years of Gacy's incarceration , here. He did live in Chicago before he went to jail , but , I seriously doubt he could have been granted an audience with Gacy , then. But , sure , he probably wrote to him. I liked your comment at the beginning - "Getting a quote for kitchen or cellar extensions? " - HA HAHHHH!!!   BTW , Morgue Rat?  Does that mean Saville was also a Necrophile ? THAT'S ALL KINDS OF FUCKED UP. I always thought he was just this funny , goofy personality. Looks and mannerisms are so decieving , as Gacy , sadly , went to great lengths to prove.
Chris Henniker said:

Gacy with Ray Davies? I wouldn't buy that, for the simple reason that it's tooo preposterous. What would he be doing in Gacy's house, anyway? Getting a quote for a kitchen or cellar extension?  

I know Gacy was best mates with GG Allin, even doing skull paintings for the punks, but seems to far fetched.

Now what about rock'n'roll rumours that were verified as true? Jimmy Saville being a kiddy diddler & morgue rat being one.

  

John Battles said:
As for Ray Davies , there's no doubt he was stressed out , and had a run of bad luck (3 year Ban from The US , anyone?). But , he's probably the luckiest man alive. When he and his Brother went to John Wayne Gacy's house , at least he had'nt begun his killing spree.

Boy , am I the only person who liked that movie ? One of my friends liked it , but could'nt "Hang" with the knob shots , even tho' it had the opposie of meat and two veg , too .                 It's probably true of Brian's GF , but , how many of his ex - Girlfriends , Mothers to his kids or not , do you really hear from?
 
  Mark George Harrison said:

Didn't Brians girlfriend at the time go in to hiding for years as well? I watched 5 minutes of stoned and turned it off, it looked truly awful!

John Battles said:

"I was drowned , I was washed up and left for dead." . That's true , but it was'nt duly noted and authorized , notorized and stamped with a Grade A seal , so , the confession was deemed inadmissable. The movie "Stoned" was based on the book "Who Killed Christopher Robin" , based on the theory that Brian was murdered.
 
Mark George Harrison said:

The rumour started because Jones was a strong swimmer, even if shitfaced, but took a bizarre twist when builder Frank Thorogood(?) gave a death bed confession that he drowned Brian because he was an obnoxious shit!

Kirk Teeters said:

What about the persistent rumor that Brian Jones was "done away with"? No one ever seems to have come up with a particularly convincing explanation for "Who" or "Why"  but every time it's mentioned in the media there's that bit about "rumors abound that he met with foul play."

IN SLADESPEAK : CUM ON , MAN , YER MAKIN THAT NOIZE UP.
 
Mark George Harrison said:

Strangely I'd never heard the Rod myth, here (UK) it was always credited to Marc Almond.

John Battles said:

YOU KNOW WHAT , YOU'RE RIGHT ! THERE IS A BOOK , THERE.....I heard it in Junior High at the same time. We were kids , not particularly progressive in our thinking , we wanted to believe certain things , but , in the back of my mind , I thought another kid at school made it up.  I did'nt hear the story again for YEARS , until my friend's band , Lava Sutra , made reference to it in a song. It WAS the equivalent of what "Going viral "is , today. Peter Bagge DID A HILARIOUS CARTOON , around that time ,  changing said Rock STAR'S NAME TO "Reginald".

trashman said:

Well we all know the Rod Stewart one.

But what I find interesting is how it all evolved.  I remember hearing it back in 4th or 5th grade (1979 or 80); but I heard it from a kid in a lunch room.  And I thought it sort of started there. Then I met kids in other high schools and they knew it.  Then onto college and they knew it.  Then professional life living all over the U.S. and they knew it.  

This rumor was spread before the days of the internet so remarkable the way it carried along an oral tradition (no pun intended) of storytelling.  Of course, we all got to an age we knew it was false but remarkable to the extent this dirty little rumor spread.  

I recently heard Rod Stewart address while doing the media tour for his new book.  It was started by an ex-publicist he fired.  Remarkable.  

The way this story spread via person to person in the late 70s/80s is worth a book in itself.

Chris ,   I only recently heard about Jimmy Saville's scandal (Word is slow getting to the backwoods of the USA .). But , it's true about John Wayne Gacy and The Kinks.   Ray and Dave confirmed it , though .  Gacy was a respected member of the community in Chicago , even when he WAS killing all those boys. He did all that charity work as "Pogo The Clown" , and got his picture taken with The President's wife......HE MANAGED TO COVER HIS TRACKS FOR A LONG TIME........          Anyway , I don't know about GG being best mates with JWG. He was , most likely , just one of his many "Pen Pals".  GG was in jail in Michigan
for part of the latter years of Gacy's incarceration , here. He did live in Chicago before he went to jail , but , I seriously doubt he could have been granted an audience with Gacy , then. But , sure , he probably wrote to him. I liked your comment at the beginning - "Getting a quote for kitchen or cellar extensions? " - HA HAHHHH!!!   BTW , Morgue Rat?  Does that mean Saville was also a Necrophile ? THAT'S ALL KINDS OF FUCKED UP. I always thought he was just this funny , goofy personality. Looks and mannerisms are so decieving , as Gacy , sadly , went to great lengths to prove.
Chris Henniker said:

Gacy with Ray Davies? I wouldn't buy that, for the simple reason that it's tooo preposterous. What would he be doing in Gacy's house, anyway? Getting a quote for a kitchen or cellar extension?  

I know Gacy was best mates with GG Allin, even doing skull paintings for the punks, but seems to far fetched.

Now what about rock'n'roll rumours that were verified as true? Jimmy Saville being a kiddy diddler & morgue rat being one.

  

John Battles said:
As for Ray Davies , there's no doubt he was stressed out , and had a run of bad luck (3 year Ban from The US , anyone?). But , he's probably the luckiest man alive. When he and his Brother went to John Wayne Gacy's house , at least he had'nt begun his killing spree.

Thank you , Kirk. Of course , I speak for everybody . John.
 
Kirk Teeters said:

I love these stories! Keep up the good work!

Ken said:

I love these kinds of stories!  I even started an recurring short in Nix Comics about these kinds of myths:

Joe Tex and James Brown's feud from issue #3 (Art by Matt Wyatt):

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0iakJ5yvUeUNlBzRnVPNXQxUzQ

Ray Davies's mental Break Down from issue #4 (Art by Darren Merinuk)

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0iakJ5yvUeUc0djbkREYzhfM0U

In upcoming issues I'm going to do Screamin' Jay Hawkins going into the studio with the intent of laying down a classic-smooth love ballad and coming out with "I Put A Spell On You" and the mysterious circumstances behind the death of Bobby Fuller.

I love these stories! Keep up the good work!

Ken said:

I love these kinds of stories!  I even started an recurring short in Nix Comics about these kinds of myths:

Joe Tex and James Brown's feud from issue #3 (Art by Matt Wyatt):

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0iakJ5yvUeUNlBzRnVPNXQxUzQ

Ray Davies's mental Break Down from issue #4 (Art by Darren Merinuk)

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0iakJ5yvUeUc0djbkREYzhfM0U

In upcoming issues I'm going to do Screamin' Jay Hawkins going into the studio with the intent of laying down a classic-smooth love ballad and coming out with "I Put A Spell On You" and the mysterious circumstances behind the death of Bobby Fuller.

Gacy with Ray Davies? I wouldn't buy that, for the simple reason that it's tooo preposterous. What would he be doing in Gacy's house, anyway? Getting a quote for a kitchen or cellar extension?  

I know Gacy was best mates with GG Allin, even doing skull paintings for the punks, but seems to far fetched.

Now what about rock'n'roll rumours that were verified as true? Jimmy Saville being a kiddy diddler & morgue rat being one.

John Battles said:
As for Ray Davies , there's no doubt he was stressed out , and had a run of bad luck (3 year Ban from The US , anyone?). But , he's probably the luckiest man alive. When he and his Brother went to John Wayne Gacy's house , at least he had'nt begun his killing spree.

It IS an enjoyable read .....  SANCHEZ WAS , UNDERSTANDABLY , BITTER
ABOUT THE WAY THE BAND , PARTICULARLY KEITH , TREATED HIM , BUT , AGAIN , THE WORST STORIES , LIKE KEITH SENDING HIM OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO SCORE , WHEN THERE WAS VIRTUALLY NO JUNK TO BE HAD IN NEW YORK , AND WHEN HE DID COP SOME GRADE - Z SMACK FOR A FORTUNE , KEITH AND ANITA TOOK IT ALL AND REFUSED TONY HIS CUT. I HATE HEROIN LIKE I HATE CANCER, AIDS AND DIABETES , BUT , IF THAT STORY WAS TRUE , THAT WAS A TERRIBLE THING TO DO.
Mark George Harrison said:

Must be 18-20 years since I read Tony Sanchez's book, all bollocks but an enjoyable read none the less.

John Battles said:

YEAH , WHATSHISNAME , THE GUY WHO WROTE "UP AND DOWN WITH THE ROLLING STONES" , TONY SANCHEZ  ? HE SAID THAT A DOCTOR IN SWITZERLAND PERFORMED THE VERY ILLEGAL (AND QUITE IMPOSSIBLE) TRANSFUSION OF ALL THE BLOOD FROM HIS BODY , TO BE REPLACED WITH FRESH , DRUG -FREE BLOOD......AND THAT KEITH OFFERED TO LET HIM HAVE THE SAME TRANSFUSION , ON HIS DIME. "HEY , DADDY-O ...MAKE MINE TYPE "O"".

I THINK THE RUMOR WAS COMPOUNDED BY THE FACT THAT , AROUND '78 , KEEF UNDERWENT SOME KIND OF ELECTROSHOCK TREATMENT (Or something related...) TO CURE HIM OF JUNK ADDICTION (TOO MUCH POWER , AND HE'D HAVE BEEN CURED LIKE A TURKEY! Come to think of it , he looks like he HAS.).....CREEM RAN AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT , AND , THOUGH HE , NATURALLY , STILL LOOK DISSHEVELED , HE LOOKED REMARKABLY HEALTHY BY COMPARISON.

I SAW THE NEW BARBARIANS TOUR IN FT. WORTH , AND KEEF DID LOOK SURPRISINGLY GOOD. HE EVEN HAD GOOD HAIR FOR A CHANGE.  Of course , his Heroin bust , right about that time , put all rumor of his getting clean to paid.
 
Mark George Harrison said:

I personally always loved the Keef having his blood changed one!

Must be 18-20 years since I read Tony Sanchez's book, all bollocks but an enjoyable read none the less.

John Battles said:

YEAH , WHATSHISNAME , THE GUY WHO WROTE "UP AND DOWN WITH THE ROLLING STONES" , TONY SANCHEZ  ? HE SAID THAT A DOCTOR IN SWITZERLAND PERFORMED THE VERY ILLEGAL (AND QUITE IMPOSSIBLE) TRANSFUSION OF ALL THE BLOOD FROM HIS BODY , TO BE REPLACED WITH FRESH , DRUG -FREE BLOOD......AND THAT KEITH OFFERED TO LET HIM HAVE THE SAME TRANSFUSION , ON HIS DIME. "HEY , DADDY-O ...MAKE MINE TYPE "O"".

I THINK THE RUMOR WAS COMPOUNDED BY THE FACT THAT , AROUND '78 , KEEF UNDERWENT SOME KIND OF ELECTROSHOCK TREATMENT (Or something related...) TO CURE HIM OF JUNK ADDICTION (TOO MUCH POWER , AND HE'D HAVE BEEN CURED LIKE A TURKEY! Come to think of it , he looks like he HAS.).....CREEM RAN AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT , AND , THOUGH HE , NATURALLY , STILL LOOK DISSHEVELED , HE LOOKED REMARKABLY HEALTHY BY COMPARISON.

I SAW THE NEW BARBARIANS TOUR IN FT. WORTH , AND KEEF DID LOOK SURPRISINGLY GOOD. HE EVEN HAD GOOD HAIR FOR A CHANGE.  Of course , his Heroin bust , right about that time , put all rumor of his getting clean to paid.
 
Mark George Harrison said:

I personally always loved the Keef having his blood changed one!

Didn't Brians girlfriend at the time go in to hiding for years as well? I watched 5 minutes of stoned and turned it off, it looked truly awful!

John Battles said:

"I was drowned , I was washed up and left for dead." . That's true , but it was'nt duly noted and authorized , notorized and stamped with a Grade A seal , so , the confession was deemed inadmissable. The movie "Stoned" was based on the book "Who Killed Christopher Robin" , based on the theory that Brian was murdered.
 
Mark George Harrison said:

The rumour started because Jones was a strong swimmer, even if shitfaced, but took a bizarre twist when builder Frank Thorogood(?) gave a death bed confession that he drowned Brian because he was an obnoxious shit!

Kirk Teeters said:

What about the persistent rumor that Brian Jones was "done away with"? No one ever seems to have come up with a particularly convincing explanation for "Who" or "Why"  but every time it's mentioned in the media there's that bit about "rumors abound that he met with foul play."