Hey all-Just so you all know-it is not sad or a shame about the band being over-I ENDED IT BECAUSE IT WAS TIME TO MOVE ON-It had a good run-some good times & Bad times-but time to move on, ya know??? I am TOTALLY INTO MY OWN TRIP RIGHT NOW AND WOULD NEVER TURN BACK-THIS IS WHERE IT IS AT FOR ME-my new album "MIssissippi Murderer" is EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO SOUND LIKE--AND=all this stuff about the Cynics and the C. Kings on the warpath-let me set this straight-I AM AND HAVE BEEN FRIENDS WITH GREGG KOSTELICH OF THE CYNICS/GET HIP and the CYNICS for decades-NEVER any kind of bad vibes-so whoever is making up this bullshit it is UNTRUE. Got it? As far as me being an asshole-no idea why anyone would make that accusation because I was never rude or nasty to anyone. And the "I've heard stories from a former drummer of the Cynics that the CKs can be real assholes, especially Gregg Prevost" is just heresay,

Hey Guys & Gals---I just dropped in-I am not familiar with how this all works yet since I'd never been involved with a network-anyway--rather than me telling you some long-winded intro-go to my website at : www.gregstackhouseprevost.com I used to be in the Chesterfield Kings, which I started in 1976...

 Of course , Reg and Ronnie are reprising "The Troggs Tape" in the Great Pub in The Sky.
 
John Battles said:

....I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue....I also forgot to menton "Come , Now". The "Archaeology" 2 CD set (3 counting the infamous "Troggs Tapes" in full) on Rhino will set you  on the right road. I'm sure you'll have to look for it on line , but , it would'nt hurt to contact Rhino regarding it's availability(?). I don't think.

I just found out The Troggs are still touring Europe , minus Lead Singer Reg Presley , who's recovering from treatment for Lung Cancer , and has since retired. It's on their website (Tho' not much else , info - wise.) ....The new guest vocalist put in some time with a later version of The Animals , and some other revamped UK 60's groups.....It can't be The Troggs without Reg , but  , I'm sure he  gave them his blessings .

"YOU START WALKING TOWARD ME , AND MY GLUE COMES ALL UNDONE"

"....MY COOL COMES ALL UNDONE. " - "Get Me To The World on Time" , Electric Prunes.

" i HATE TO SEE YOU SHINING SO BRIGHT YEAH , NEW SURROUNDINGS , HOLD ME TIGHTLTY"   

" MY XKE IS SHINING SO BRIGHTLY. THE NOOSE AROUND US IS HOLDING TIGHTLY."

THE WHO "CALL ME LIGHTNING".

" I was telling this guy , miracles happen every day. "What do you mean?" , he said , and , I told him , "A Miracle happened to you , today.". He said , "Yeah ? What?!". I said , " YOU GOT UP , DID'NT YOU?".       Smilin' Frank Lugo , Question Mark and The Mysterians.

I wish I could sell out so I didn't have to have a shit 9 to 5. Who hasn't compromised at some point through their career.

I remember when the Flaming Lips did Strychnine.  They were weird but my kind of weird.  Personally, I think they DID sell out.  People think they got better but I think they got boring.  I thought Soundgarden got boring as well, but I didn't hate them like I hated Flaming Lips. I never did like Smashing Pumpkins.  Pesonally, I was surprised by the whole Nirvana thing.  I didn't ever get my hands on the Butch Vig demos (which really weren't demos as they were supposed to be a 2nd Sub Pop album, they just sound like demos in comparison as they were done on the cheap)that they were doing like my friends had, so I never heard the songs until after the album actually came out.  The live songs I did hear in early 91 were the songs you heard on the second half of NEVERMIND (side 2?).  So yeah, I was surprised.

....On a local level , I can readily imagine that . I did'nt think of Nirvana or Soundgarden as having a particularly commercial sound , but , I never cared for any of that stuff. It was plain to see Nirvana was going to be big , before "Nevermind" even came out....But , it did'nt seem to me like they planned it that way. Cobain still complained to no end after they did make it. But , that was later. Maybe the idea of success on your own terms was , in his estimation , slipping out of his hands.....But he was'nt being a full out whining little BABY the minute success came , like Billy Corgan did. In Chicago , NO ONE dared criticize Smashing Pumpkins , tho' they sucked from the word "Go".  It was just like a few years earlier , when I lived in Dallas. The Flaming Lips were the band you did'nt dare say you disliked , and they were from Oklahoma.....They were just doing this Classic Rock sludge - Zeppelin meets The Doors meets later Who , played  very badly , but NO ONE (eXCEPT ME.)  used to put them down.

Oh, there were people calling Soundgarden and Nirvana sell outs (even Nirvana were calling themselves sell outs as a joke) here in Seattle, but it was those "underground" types who didn't want to see them get popular and keep them on a local level.  I was rather proud when they were getting ahead and popular.  They didn't pander to industry standards and also they got vinyl written into their contracts and proved you could still sell that format.
 
John Battles said:

....When The Ramones broke up , they were only playing mega - stadiums in Argentina.  They were still playing many of the same venues in the states , and , perhaps in Britain and West Europe , that they'd played 15 years earlier , or to crowd of about the same size. They were'nt hurting , but they were not a multi - million dollar franchise , like they are today , when  , barring their three drummers (Clem Burke did two gigs. He's an honorary Ramone.) , second bass player, and , if you wish , Richie Ramone I from the VERY first , undocumented , lineup (WHO MOVED TO SF and  co - founded The Nuns.) , THEY'RE ALL DEAD.

They went out on a high note , you could say , playing the Lollapalooza tour , but, they were third - billed to Metallica and Soundgarden. I realize The Ramones were not selling millions of records like the other two (Maybe Soundgarden had'nt hit the million mark....YET.), BUT , I SAW NO REASON THE THREE COULD'NT RECIEVE EQUAL BILLING.

No one calls Metallica sell -outs , OK , SOME PEOPLE DO . NO ONE CALLED SOUNDGARDEN OR NIRVANA SELL - OUTS WHEN THEY WERE STILL AROUND (Soundgarden , of course , reformed recently , and , to their credit , they just played a place , here ,  that maybe holds 3 - 5000 people.). But , if a legendary Punk , or proto punk , band  , strikes while the iron's still relatively hot - Be it The Stooges , The Dolls , The MC3 , The Pistols .....someone's going to call 'em sellouts. Rock'n'Roll does'nt have a sweetass retirement package , especially if it never made you rich in the first place.

....When The Ramones broke up , they were only playing mega - stadiums in Argentina.  They were still playing many of the same venues in the states , and , perhaps in Britain and West Europe , that they'd played 15 years earlier , or to crowd of about the same size. They were'nt hurting , but they were not a multi - million dollar franchise , like they are today , when  , barring their three drummers (Clem Burke did two gigs. He's an honorary Ramone.) , second bass player, and , if you wish , Richie Ramone I from the VERY first , undocumented , lineup (WHO MOVED TO SF and  co - founded The Nuns.) , THEY'RE ALL DEAD.

They went out on a high note , you could say , playing the Lollapalooza tour , but, they were third - billed to Metallica and Soundgarden. I realize The Ramones were not selling millions of records like the other two (Maybe Soundgarden had'nt hit the million mark....YET.), BUT , I SAW NO REASON THE THREE COULD'NT RECIEVE EQUAL BILLING.

No one calls Metallica sell -outs , OK , SOME PEOPLE DO . NO ONE CALLED SOUNDGARDEN OR NIRVANA SELL - OUTS WHEN THEY WERE STILL AROUND (Soundgarden , of course , reformed recently , and , to their credit , they just played a place , here ,  that maybe holds 3 - 5000 people.). But , if a legendary Punk , or proto punk , band  , strikes while the iron's still relatively hot - Be it The Stooges , The Dolls , The MC3 , The Pistols .....someone's going to call 'em sellouts. Rock'n'Roll does'nt have a sweetass retirement package , especially if it never made you rich in the first place.

Show #410: "The Eggman Collection #130" playlist:

Kevin Ayers - "Song From The Bottom Of A Well"
Rainbow - "Does Your Head Need Straightening/Midnight Candle"
Kansas - "Reunion In The Mountains Of Sarne"
Stu James & The Mojos - "Wait A Minute"
Linn County - "Cave Song"
The Blue Men - "Glob Waterfall"
Os Mundi - "It's All There"
Destroyer - "Mercy (We Had The Right)"
The Paragons - "The Tide Is High"
Pugsley Munion - "What's Right For Me"
Thoughts And Words - "What A Funny World"
Unit 4+2 - "You Ain't Going Nowhere"
Dantalian's Chariot - "World War Three"
The Kinks - "Helga"
Dion - "Knowing I Won't Go Back There"
Billy Nicholls - "London Social Degree"
The Ballroom - "Love's Fatal Way"
Roxy - "New York City"
The West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band - "Endless Night"
Paradox - "What's The Rush, Dillbury"
Tony Jordan - "The Wind Calls"
Queen - "Save Me"
Strawbs - "Martin Luther King's Dream"
Emitt Rhodes - "Holly Park"
Sweet Thursday - "Jenny"
The Golden Dawn - "Evolution"
The Beatles - "Tomorrow Never Knows [Mark I, Take 1]"
The Sunshine Company - "Bolero"
Pete Ham - "Catherine Cares"
David Bowie - "Suffragette City"
The Atlantics - "Moon Man"
David Crosby - "Laughing"
Fanny - "Bitter Wine"
Kangaroo - "Happy Man"
The Merry-Go-Round - "Missing You"
Gong - "Flute Salad/Oily Way/Outer Temple/Inner Temple/Percolations"

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IT'S THE SAME THING ALL OVER , THOUGH , NOW. DJs ARE KILLING LIVE MUSIC. YES , I DJ EVERY CHANCE I GET , BUT SINCE I DON'T PLAY 80'S Crap , Industrial Dance crap ,  NEO - DISCO ,"DANCE" MUSIC , House , Techno, Trance  , Hip Hop and (C) Rap OR NORTHERN SOUL , GIGS ARE FEW AND FAR BEHIND.....COMPLAINING ABOUT IT WON'T CHANGE THINGS , I KNOW ....

But , these DJs that people come out to just worship , if they even play a record , it's to scratch it . Samplers , drum machines , all that lot , whatever it is , I would'nt pay to hear it, and if you can get a gig , now , spinning Rock'n'Roll , it's in venues that don't charge a cover, so they may or may not pay you at all...AND, FORGET ABOUT TIPS..   But , I think smaller "cities" like Dallas are really getting hammered by the DJ Disease. My friends all say it's wiping out live music in Dallas.  It's just that the dynamic is similar to the "Disco Sucks" days , but , no one's saying Dance music or Hip Hop sucks....However , I believe , now , there's room for everything. It does'nt mean everything you try to do is going to be worth your while , and , even if you sell out to "The Man" , and play only music untouched by real instruments , you'll still have to wait in line behind one barrage of irritating hammer - to - the forehead non - beats after another.....

Oh , and Frazier Thomas also hosted a later version of "Bozo's Circus".

John Battles said:

Well , I seriously doubt Garcia was aware of The Butthole Surfers , though stranger things have happened. Someone told me they had an out of body experience , the last time I saw The Surfers. Maybe they were just trying to get out of the building !  I've heard a few stories , nothing you would call an Urban Legend. But , in truth , Gibby's Dad was Jerry Haynes , aka TV  kIDDIE SHOW HOST , MR. PEPPERMINT. The Drummer in Chicago Silly Punk band , TUTU AND tHE PIRATES , was Frazier Thomas , host of Kiddie show , Garfield Goose and the SUNDAY AFTERNOON movie program , Family Classics.

The two twin Brothers in The Pork Dukes were rumored to be Dudley Moore's illegitimate Sons.

Here's a Rock'n'Roll urban legend : Tony Sheridan dies.

Yes, I know he just did , but , I got the word about 20 years in advance !

Boy , if I were listening to it , now ,it would help -

 I've got things on my mind , girl.

cobwebs in my brain , if you've got the time , girl , help me ascertain

How to rectify the growing mental pain of  *T-R-O-U-B-L-E , TROUBLE  

I can see the future , looking fast at it (Or looking back at it?)

If you've got a soul , then , give me some of it...So I can learn to take in stride the problems that I have inside   , somewhere there's a place I fit , I can live with just a bit  of *

Everybody's got their trouble , some can ride above it , but , every day's marked down as double , and I'm headed for a fall.....

Your deciding factor is one way I can win , but , you've got to help me , every inch of it.

That's not to say don't bother me , or blind to your reality , somewhere there's a reason strength (?)  , never be a troubled  friend *

it's pretty much like that. Bonniwell's phrasing and use of what he himself called "Ten Dollar Words" make this not the easiest task . I remember, I thought I knew the words to "Talk , Talk" , until I saw them transcribed in the liners to Alice Cooper's "Flush The Fashion " , where he covered it , I might add , for a second time.

Whatever does'nt seem right to you , I'd say , make something up.

Does any one know or have the lyrics to trouble by music machine? If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it :)

Maybe , In his subconscious , he could see something. Some people just know when it's their time. We all have to go at some point , preferably in our sleep or from sexual exhaustion. I'm just sayin' . John 
 
Mark George Harrison said:

Paul was known as 'the man with a plan' JB, maybe he knew something we dont, would like to think so.

John Battles said:

No , it is'nt , mate , but , somehow , it will make more sense , to you , why some of us had to check out of this life when they had so much more great work ahead. Is there a reason or a rhyme ? I doubt it ,bu t, that does'nt mean he's not still here with you , and guiding your life , insipiring you to make it something better. That much , I can assure you , will make itself known.
 
Mark George Harrison said:

Thanks John, he had a great send off, it was a proper celebration of a life. 56 is no age though.

John Battles said:

Yeah, and sadly for us , not for them , Wilko will be joining your friend and Reg , soon , but, remember , they'll be having a better time than we are.

My condolences about your friend.

 

Paul was known as 'the man with a plan' JB, maybe he knew something we dont, would like to think so.

John Battles said:

No , it is'nt , mate , but , somehow , it will make more sense , to you , why some of us had to check out of this life when they had so much more great work ahead. Is there a reason or a rhyme ? I doubt it ,bu t, that does'nt mean he's not still here with you , and guiding your life , insipiring you to make it something better. That much , I can assure you , will make itself known.
 
Mark George Harrison said:

Thanks John, he had a great send off, it was a proper celebration of a life. 56 is no age though.

John Battles said:

Yeah, and sadly for us , not for them , Wilko will be joining your friend and Reg , soon , but, remember , they'll be having a better time than we are.

My condolences about your friend.

 

I had the same guitar and I used Labella tape wound. they have the bounce of round wound but a thuddy attack, less sustain, and a naturally dirty tone.

facebook likes can be very misleading...friends of friends will like a band page just because a friend tells them to. So...even if the band blows dick they can have 15,000 likes and only a quarter to half of the likes are legit.

And there's stuff like this. LOLOLOLOLOL. http://musicclout.com/contents/article-109-why-you-should-be-on-pinterest.aspx

Hi Mike, we talked about it on here and FB I think. I'd love a copy still and I promise I won't use it in lieu of porn!

The Guardian? bit highbrow for me mate!

Mike Spenser said:

Do you still want a copy? Get in touch...here is a pic of the original posting in the Guardian the week it was originally shown...

Hi Chris, you DO sound like you might be in the UK, judging from your choice of some words and your expressions. If that be so then serioulsy think to contact me and come down and try your hand behind my "mean machine". I recently had a chance to drive my friends American "souped up" classic car with an engine that reminded me of the kind of cars I had in the 60's like the 68 Corvetter with 4 on the floor and 2 Quad carbs! In otherwords, come and use, with care and my careful overlooking, some of the gear and make a sample recording to see how it works basically. You too Great Dismal Swamis. I have stuff with no makings on them, certainly NOT "Made In China", just custom made for the BBC (it was originally a 1955 BBC recording studio)... most of the compressors, eq's. filters, power supplies that are all valve, LARGE valves! They just made things in their superb laboratories for the government financed national radio that the BBC was, and still is. No expense spared! When I stand in front of the desck and get ready to jump into some work it's like getting behind a Massaratti or Lamborgini or some classic old well tuned machine! Or even a P-40 or Messerschmitt! Come and share that experience with me. I'm a very open guy. Another thing, I have several rooms in my large Victorian house in South London but some of the rooms are a little too small for my liking but I have to settle for them that way. I cannot just chop down main bearing walls without planning permission and great money. So even though I have a perfectly suitable control room behind and one to the side of the studio room I have to be content with the mixing desk and all the recording equipment in the same room we bang away as we have the drums and amps set up! I am singing most times with a handheld mic in one hand and my other hand on a control if I see the meter zooming too high or too low. Sometimes we set up the bass amp under the stairs, the guitars in the hallway or upstairs or in the laundry room! But with a long sets of mic/DI leads to the stagebox, leads, long leaded stagebox and extended leads for the headphones, we can still all be in the same room and hear everything live as we are playing..what a gas! The seperation is not a problem if the gear ins in the same room either. And my vocals, well, either i get it right or the whole band would kill me for running a god track. Even so, the band is so loud and raw that my vocals hardly get picked up anyway. But standing in front of the band, in the same room, finger on the red Record button and saying "go for it" is so exhilerating as we all fell like we are in control of the whole situation. I was lucky to be the frist on line when a grear studio announced and had a sale of their equipment before closing down. First thing I did was run in and go for the microphone table I saw while wiating through the window. I snatched up ALL the mic's for sale, sets of two identicle  matching mics for stereo compatability, especially important for setting up the mics to record drums and overhead cymbal mics. I have all kids of lovely Seneheiser's, AKG, valve mics! and plenty of meaty studio Shures including special ones particularly good for bass deum and bass guitars.

How I got the actual studio gear, sans mics, is a great story, to be told another time. All I can say is I got it absolutely FREE complete with an "L" huge mixing desk with the huge black dials pushing 6-7inch panpots! I have the consols and controls and most of the wires and preamps but had to dump the huge wooden desk. Some studio in Shepperton Studios used ALL my gear, tape machines, amp racks, and old desk things for which they constructed a dummy one from the one remainig 50's picture I have that came along with the studio...that story is reallyworth telling but for another day...and I got paid over 2000 GBP just for them to use the gear in a movie I never hear of since. Easy money. Only one easily replacable tube broken (BTW, all the tubes and components that needed to be repalced during the two years of setting up the studio with a young engineer from the Vintage Valve Museum were ORIGINAL tubes as they used when the parts were first assembled back in the 50's and 60's. Please remember that the equimpment was the accumulation of building a studio over a period of time and several pieces may be older by a few year of other stuff in the collectio I have now, but none made after the mid 60's.

In closing about my home studio experience, though I am always finding some tapes in little hidden cubby holes all over the house, I reckon all told there are close to 100 X 10 inch reel tapes, most 1 inch 8 track, many 1/2 inch 16 track and several 2 inch 26 and 24 track tapes. Out of all these countless sessions, maybe only one or two (I still can only find 1!) is unusual due to my beign "over drunk or stoned on almost anything at hand!) I am lucky to capture all that great music without missing a single session (almost again) totally ripped and often coherent just enough to press the "Record" button on unsteady legs and getting a sound I could maybe never get while totally sober or straight!!!

Thanks a lot guys I have some really good starters here.

I'm going to have to favor the analogue side of things, if not for the sound but for the pleasure of the hands on approach.

I read a really cool article from Sound On Sound about digital vs analogue and at the end of it the conclusion was that digital was pretty much as real as it gets but although that seems appealing it's the imperfect qualities and coloration of the analogue gear that make it so appealing, I like the idea of knowing the character of your gear and that informing creative decisions in the mix.

The downside is the access I have to classic analogue gear is pretty skint, I have access to an original Urei 1176, only one which is a little limiting, (honestly no pun intended). In saying that we've got a GML 8200, 8900 and the 9500. The most decent reverbs we have are in the focusrite liquid channel. We've got a few drawmer compressors that are ok but not great. We just a new SSL 948 and a Neve Custom 75 but haven't had the chance to use them yet as they are still being set up by our studio supervisors. I'm sure I'll be able to pull some good sounds with practice and understanding of what goes in the recording process of specific genres. We haven't learned tape yet, we get to use it very soon and we have a studer a827 to practice on which is pretty cool. I guess I'm asking how important is the gear to the mixing stage? Like is the 8200 going to be better for a specific genre than say the Neve 1073? or a pair of 1176's to an SSL master buss compressor? or does outboard processing not have much to do with it at all and I should be keeping it as real as I record it? I watched some Alan Parsons stuff and he didn't look like he did much processing at all, only if something, say the cymbals were lacking, he'd boost a little at the top of the Overheads.

It sounds like I need more experience, I always have this problem with my snare sinking too much in the mix. I want to get better but I definitely don't want to be sitting in front of pro tools to do it.

Mike I had a listen to some of the cannibals stuff, I really dig the guitar sound in city of people and the bass and reverb in Garbage man, can you go through some of the gear and mics you used? Did you engineer it? It's really great stuff.

I had a band in recently who wanted to track individually, I'd recorded them a few months before and of course the drummer goes first. I get the feeling that a bad performance in the studio can quickly become the fault of the engineer because this guy was all over the shop, he recorded to a click and couldn't hit it at all and then when he heard it played back he kept saying that there was something wrong with the way I had set up the mics, that he'd recorded a tonne of songs and the finished product never sounded as bad as they did that day. I'm guessing the engineer at the time was pretty solid at doing drum edits on the run so was able to make a shit performance sound great. How do you guys deal with a sloppy muso while they're blaming you for their performance? do you really give it to them or have a little compassion?

Your advice is appreciated, it's good to chat to experienced guys, I've only been doing this for a year and I really enjoy it. I could go on forever.