October 30, 2012 2:39 PM CDT
October 30, 2012 7:10 AM CDT
October 30, 2012 2:15 PM CDT
wILL DO , IT MIGHT TAKE ME A WHILE....mY DEFINITION OF mETAL , OF hEAVY rOCK , Might differ from some.....I could have dug some of the Sunset Strip 80'S Metal bands if they'd sounded RAW. kILLER kANE , rON aSHETON'S nEW oRDER , NOW ,THAT'S WHAT SOME OF 'EM could HAVE SOUNDED LIKE.
Link Wray is Punk Rock Ground zero. PeoplE bitched because his no - hearing ass used Marshall amps later in life (when they were so lucky to see him , it's not funny !!!!!). SO WHAT ? He was still heavier than a line of Marshall Stacks WITH THOSE LITTLE AMPS WITH HOLES POKED IN 'EM.
dave said:
Great reply, John! I think Charles Lamey said that Link Wray may have been one of the first punks (or at least a proto-punk: Ur-punk?). Attitude plays a LARGE part. Have seen few bands since the 90s garage-punk thang with that, but on the topic of Metal, Have a listen to some of these, if you're of a mind. Curious as to your reaction.
Best, Dave
John Battles said:no , all the credit for being rebellious should'nt go to Punk alone , nor even Punk and it's myriad offshoots...But what gets called "Rebellious" over the years, hoo boy. I guess you could say Heavy Metal or Hard Rock had a rebellious "Who gives a fuck" attitude in the 70's , with The Sabs , The Purps , Thin Lizzy , Alice Cooper and the like , even tho' a good deal of those acts made millions. But , by the 80's , the public was being told that bands Like Quiet Riot , Motley Crue , (Later) Scorpions , (Later ) Priest and solo Ozzy were rebellious and even HEAVY ! The Underground Metal scenes were just taking off around that time , but , what passed for Metal at all....YEESH. REAL Metal or early Hard Rock , sure , e.g. Dust , Sir Lord Baltimore , Blue Cheer , MC5 , was rebellious as Hell , but , most of the bands that did make some real money ended up with nothing to show for it.
Just an example....Blues , not the shit that passes for it today , is Rebel Music. So is Country , Rockabilly ....But , just not what usually passes for it , today.
But , I guess I'm preaching to the converted when I say that.
Did people really think Screamin' Jay Hawkins was the demon daddy to "Psychobilly"?
I mean , I'm sure some of those bands were influenced by him in the 80's , but , apart from "Frenzy" , "Stone Crazy" and maybe one or two other songs , Jay did'nt havemuch of a Rockabilly base. I'd wager Sceaming Lord Sutch was a far bigger influence on that stuff , even though he , too , only dabbled In Rockabilly stylings. You can , of course , hear things in earlier , groundbreaking sounds that are reflected in the music of later acts who took more of the credit for breaking down musical barriers. I think Hawkins is more a forerunner of Punk in his general disregard for the status quo , that he presented himself as anti-social , with a bad attitude , in a musical context , though he was a great instrumentalist and arranger , and could have sang Opera if he's had a mind to. He was , however , a very likeable man. God help anyone who pissed him off , but , he was affable and frequently hilarious.
October 30, 2012 1:13 PM CDT
Great reply, John! I think Charles Lamey said that Link Wray may have been one of the first punks (or at least a proto-punk: Ur-punk?). Attitude plays a LARGE part. Have seen few bands since the 90s garage-punk thang with that, but on the topic of Metal, Have a listen to some of these, if you're of a mind. Curious as to your reaction.
Best, Dave
John Battles said:
no , all the credit for being rebellious should'nt go to Punk alone , nor even Punk and it's myriad offshoots...But what gets called "Rebellious" over the years, hoo boy. I guess you could say Heavy Metal or Hard Rock had a rebellious "Who gives a fuck" attitude in the 70's , with The Sabs , The Purps , Thin Lizzy , Alice Cooper and the like , even tho' a good deal of those acts made millions. But , by the 80's , the public was being told that bands Like Quiet Riot , Motley Crue , (Later) Scorpions , (Later ) Priest and solo Ozzy were rebellious and even HEAVY ! The Underground Metal scenes were just taking off around that time , but , what passed for Metal at all....YEESH. REAL Metal or early Hard Rock , sure , e.g. Dust , Sir Lord Baltimore , Blue Cheer , MC5 , was rebellious as Hell , but , most of the bands that did make some real money ended up with nothing to show for it.
Just an example....Blues , not the shit that passes for it today , is Rebel Music. So is Country , Rockabilly ....But , just not what usually passes for it , today.
But , I guess I'm preaching to the converted when I say that.
Did people really think Screamin' Jay Hawkins was the demon daddy to "Psychobilly"?
I mean , I'm sure some of those bands were influenced by him in the 80's , but , apart from "Frenzy" , "Stone Crazy" and maybe one or two other songs , Jay did'nt havemuch of a Rockabilly base. I'd wager Sceaming Lord Sutch was a far bigger influence on that stuff , even though he , too , only dabbled In Rockabilly stylings. You can , of course , hear things in earlier , groundbreaking sounds that are reflected in the music of later acts who took more of the credit for breaking down musical barriers. I think Hawkins is more a forerunner of Punk in his general disregard for the status quo , that he presented himself as anti-social , with a bad attitude , in a musical context , though he was a great instrumentalist and arranger , and could have sang Opera if he's had a mind to. He was , however , a very likeable man. God help anyone who pissed him off , but , he was affable and frequently hilarious.
October 30, 2012 12:11 PM CDT
Great topic, but it causes me pain. I have missed many for many reasons over the years, but two that regret most were Link Wray and Bo Didley. Both came to Rochester a few yearsback at small venues, i missed both and they both died shortly thereafter...Ugh! Well I still spin their tunes all the time anyway, i see these Kats as two of the Fathers of garage/rock at least huge influences anyway.
Chaz
October 30, 2012 11:39 AM CDT
Missed Jon Spencer a few weeks ago in Pawtucket because I told a friend I would not miss their Birthday and forgot they were on the same day mad bummer!
October 30, 2012 9:57 AM CDT
I just remembered something else...I missed my one and only chance to see Nick Curran and the Lowlifes. They played here in Pittsburgh at a blues festival in late July 2010. However, they were playing the day before a Prima Donna gig in NYC, and I had already made plans to go see Prima Donna. I take overnight Greyhound buses to and from NYC to cut my traveling costs (I try to just sleep on the buses), and it just would not have been feasible for me to see Nick Curran at the blues festival and then take my late night bus to NYC. At the time I thought, "Oh well, hopefully he'll come back to Pittsburgh." Little did I know at the time...
RIP, Nick, and I'm sorry I didn't see you and your band when I had the chance:(
October 29, 2012 5:01 PM CDT
Weird - I recently thought about posting on this very topic. I have a number of missed opportunities in my list.
Candy Snatchers - They were supposed to play The Garage in Silver Lake (Los Angeles) in 2000. When I arrived, the club was dark and empty. A few guys were milling around a nearby payphone; they turned out to be members of Texas bands The Reds. They informed me that the Candy Snatchers' van had broken down and the show was cancelled. Drag!
New Bomb Turks - Scheduled to play with The Queers in Columbus, Ohio in '97. Didn't. Broken van was the culprit again, I think.
Rocket from the Crypt - Scheduled to open for (meh) Rancid in 1996, also in Columbus. Once again, a casualty of the broke-down van, scourge of punk rock. Shame; I'm sure they woulda been far better than Rancid.
There's more that I've missed, but those three stand out.
October 29, 2012 2:55 PM CDT
There was a short lived LA pop punk band called the Holograms that I never got to see, mainly because they never came to Pittsburgh, nor did they ever play anywhere near here. They were a bunch of cute Asian girls.
Another band I never got around to seeing was Jet. I can remember they toured with Oasis in 2005, and a friend saw them in Cleveland, but for whatever reason I didn't make the trip.
Can't think of any other missed opportunities.
October 28, 2012 11:43 PM CDT
I missed seeing the Sex Pistols reunion in like 97 because my ride (show was several states away) had a dumb kid that day!
October 29, 2012 8:52 PM CDT
It's hard for people to imagine that there was once a time when The Cure , like REM or U2 , were an underground band (More on that in a moment. ) . In my best estimation , they have NUTHIN' to do with Punk Rock or Garage Rock , but , just to play devil's advocate , I'll mention that they go back far enough to be considered an early Punk Reaction Group. A more Art School take on the somewhat more experimental sounds that came about when Punk (As a movement , at the very least.) was limping to the finish gate.....You know , PIL , Magazine , Gang of Four , stuff like that.
The Cure's first album had some discordant , sorta - psychedelic guitar work , smeared liberally on their 2nd and 3rd albums , which were VERY languid affairs. Strangely enough, it seems around the time they actually allowed themselves to be photographed on their records , they really took a turn for the worse. Seeing Robert Smith , soon a lesser idol to the MTV generation , and a bigger one to the late in emerging U.S. Goth fanbase , ONE COULD SEE HOW IN LOVE WITH HIMSELF HE WAS.....
Only Billy Corgan would beat his time a few years later , and if you don't think HE was heavily influenced by The Cure , THINK AGAIN.
In the very early 80's , trust me , REM , and even U2 , were playing small clubs for chump change in the states , sometimes to half - empty houses , or worse. Art School Brigade bands like Echo and The Bunnymen and Ultravox (In their "We used to be Punk Reaction , but it's all over now "incarnation.), and even Siouxsie and The Banshees were playing Punk clubs , yet to see the big payday , even if they'd had hits in The UK and on The Continent (The waiting list for a U.S. chart placement on a UK hit in the early 80's was one year to never. ) . Of course , The Cure were a big live act in America by about 1985. What's telling is that a rare , great program on MTV , "IRS's The Cutting Edge" (Hosted by Peter Zaremba from The Fleshtones.) , approached The Cure about doing an appearance , and were turned down flat. When the show began to take off , The Cure's people contacted the program to reneg , as though they'd never snubbed them in the first place. They were told , outright , "You had your chance , and now you're playing to 19 ,000 people in Los Angeles . You turned us down , once . Now , we're turning YOU down.
October 29, 2012 8:02 PM CDT
Violet Times ,
I must have mentioned Peter Laughner , a long time ago , but , if I did'nt , it sure was'nt a slight on him. Laughner was the rare sort who remained friends with members of nearly every key non - bar band in Cleveland at the time , up until his untimely demise . Most people I've spoken to or read things by , that were "There" , had good things to say , even if his behavior (By his own admission.) was frequently over the top.
Violet Times said:
Definitely Pagans over Dead Boys, easily. Dead Boys only made one great LP, while Pagans have a few LPs worth of greatness. Besides that, i'm not so into the production on their 1st LP, actually prefer the 'Younger, Louder, Snottier' LP version released later on Bomp. That live set from CBs released on DVD years back is pretty hard to beat tho. That's the kind of thing that could put them at the top of any list of greats, no question. (pretty sure the whole thing is on youtube, check it if you haven't seen it)
Mirrors and eels (w/ a nice side dish of Styrenes w/ whom they shared members) over everyone tho.
Here's an interview i did w/ Morton in MRR last year http://www.violet-times.com/2011/06/i-interviewed-john-morton-in-ma... w/ links there to read more about electric eels as well. Do yourself a favor, esp if ya don't know about 'em.
Also at the top of that page you can click to the purchase page for Poli Styrene Jass Band (aka: Styrenes) 'Drano In Your Veins' 45 reissue that we did awhile back if you're interested in 1975 pre- punk, proto- punk, baseball bat in the face lysergic madness, a bonafide classic. Less than 20 copies remain.
Not punk, more rock n roll / soft psych, but i actually just put on Stone Harbour 'Emerges' LP right before i saw this thread/group. Nearby town of Cleveland- Youngstown, OH 1974.
Also surprised no one mentioned Peter Laughner in here? Maybe i missed it, and again, not so much "punk" sounding overall but his 1 million (and counting, as more are found) unreleased recordings (and the few released thus far) have many choice cuts. He was a driving force in tying to make that a "scene", or at least promoting his own music, and by default taking those other wild sounding bands to the top along w/ himself.
I also enjoy the fact that The Cramps, Pagans, and electric eels are all related by blood- that's some kind of royal bloodline there!
October 29, 2012 7:48 PM CDT
October 20...... More should be made of his Birthday. There was ONE memorial night for him after he passed , and this is not Neerherdove , New Ireland , this is Chicago.
As for his , or Ivy's , Birthday (A far easier to remember Feb. 14.) , no one does anything , here , in the clubs , barring local band ,The Dyes , who always do some kind of Cramps tribute in October.I think , though I can't quite remember , Lux was born in 1948. It was after the war , for sure , but , in The 40's.
Funhouse Skull said:
John Battles said:iT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE COMING UPON LUX'S BIRTHDAY , AGAIN....
I WISH MY FRIEND , JEFF , WHO REMEMBERS EVERY DATE , CONCERNING THE CRAMPS , WERE HERE TO REMIND ME THE ACTUAL DATE..... ANYWAY , HIS REBIRTH , SADLY FOR US , WAS A FEW YEARS AGO. IT DOES'NT EVEN SEEM THAT LONG AGO TO ME. HE WAS CELEBRATED WITH AN ASTRAL PROJECTION , AS WITNESSED BY THE FEW WORTHY SOULS , CHOSEN BY OUR QUEEN , IVY , INCLUDING ART FEIN AND JOHNNY LEGEND , KINGS OF MEN.
NICK TOSCHES MAY HAVE BEEN THERE , TOO? BUT , I TOOK LUX TO BE A VERY SPIRITUAL PERSON , THOUGH ON A DIFFERENT PLANE, ALTOGETHER , THAN WHAT MOST DEFINE AS SPIRITUAL , JUST AS HE WAS ON AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PLANE IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD. '' I JUST CAN'T IDENTIFY - EYE - TO EYE - TO EYE - WITH THIS WORLD , SO, I DON'T TRY.".......... HAPPY BIRTHDAY , ERIK/VIP/LUX.....WE MISS YOU , BUT , WE SURE WERE GLAD YOU LIVED IN OUR TIME.....ALWAYS FIVE YEARS AHEAD OF IT.
Lux was born on October 20. I forget the year. Truly one of a kind. The world is a smaller place without him.
October 29, 2012 1:49 PM CDT
Have to say, i really enjoy this cartoon and i like the intro music too
(by a guy called Michel Dax - but no idea who he is)
the english version is a terrible disco/electronic version of this song
October 29, 2012 1:32 PM CDT
Hier Simple Plan for Scooby Doo
October 29, 2012 1:46 PM CDT
I've never had any problems running a keyboard through a Fender Twin Reverb. That amp has enough clean head room to handle high output combo organs and it can take some low frequencies too. You do not want to use an underpowered amp or use an overdrive channel. You're likely to push the amp too hard and distortion on organ means static-heavy noise.
October 29, 2012 8:14 AM CDT
I recorded my keyboard with a Orange Tiny Terror tube guitar head and an Orange 1x12. You can hear the result here : http://garagepunk.ning.com/profile/Cosmicbernie (The song Jumping Around).
Now when I play with the band I use a Behringer Rotary Machine pedal between the keyboard and the DI. It's emulating the Leslie sound. Quite good for the price.
But you have to know that I'm using a Korg Microstation keyboard, no money for someting more old school :-(
October 29, 2012 1:09 PM CDT
October 29, 2012 12:18 PM CDT
Jawbone is a one-man blues/garage/punk band based in Detroit, Michigan
Jawbone live at Theatre Bizarre Detroit 2009
October 29, 2012 6:20 AM CDT
King Automatic, Reverend Beat-man, BBQ, King Louie, Mosquito Bandito, Lone Wolf, etc, and I like Dead Elvis, too!
October 29, 2012 4:59 AM CDT
Toby Rix (1920) op zijn Toeterix
Wim Sonneveld (1917 - 1974)
(Dutch Commercials)
loekie outro 1983-84 (nikkelen nelis)
October 28, 2012 11:41 PM CDT
JOE BUCK YOURSELF! that guy is great.
love haunted george as well.
October 29, 2012 11:47 AM CDT
After a 16 year break, What Wave zine is back with another kick at the can. This issue is the story/band trees/families of our hometown, sleepy London Ontario. It's 104 pages of the local bands from about 76 to 92 and includes the garage bands of that era; Legend Killers, Frankenstein V, Mongrols, Flying Squad plus all of the punk, hardcore and just about everything else in between. And for mailorder, it comes with a double CD of almost all u
nreleased material from London bands of that era.
The pic below has the CD track listings.
And here's a better pic of the cover, artwork by Dave Clarke who did many of our covers over the years.
For the 104 page (8.5 x11) booklet and double CD, it's $14 in Canada, $16 for US. Don't know about Europe postage prices yet.
Paypal or $.... whatwave@rogers.com
October 29, 2012 4:27 AM CDT
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