Sort of off topic...

But I wonder what happened to the plans Tim Warren had of remixing those unreleased Teengenerate recordings.. "teenage freak" rules

Nope, nothin' yet. Here's the previous topic on the subject, btw: 

http://garagepunk.ning.com/forum/topics/new-oblivians

It's been a few months since I heard anything - had to go back to find it, in the middle of February.  Supposedly, recording was started in March, but I haven't seen or heard anything lately.  Anybody else plugged into these guys more than I am?  I saw a note about the Reigning Sound tour kicking off today, and it jogged this back into memory.

would you even class them as a garage rock band, ive a few opinions on this, but im interested on finding out what you guys all think on it?

Pure Hell's cover of Nancy Sinatra's These Boots are Made for Walking.

Also, although not a cover, Andre Williams' garage punk reboot of his disco song "Whip the Booty" is maniacally fun and trashy.  You can find that version on his classic Black Godfather LP.

JackTheApache said:

surprised no ones mentioned the tune Crazy Hazy Kisses by Flat Duo Jets originally Baby Blue by Gene Vincent. That's probably my favorite.

HEre's Gene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OyNbwd...

and Dex of Flat Duo:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?
feature=player_detailpage&v=vSvyU7...

Man, the Flat Duo Jets are full of killer covers!
-Sing, Sing, Sing by Benny Goodman
-Wild Wild Lover by Benny Joy (and the original kicks ass too)
-Froggy Went A Courtin' has got to be a classic.

Dave Vanian And The Phantom Chords

Lovely!

Jersey City Mods said:

Sorry, I didn't fully vet that clip.  This one is more like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGNzjvsOn_o

"If ever a Devil's plan , was for Lucy to work with my band , it was you...."

It's possible Desi "Had" Jezebel first , but , Frankie Laine owned that song in the 50's , and made it a standard. I don't know what year either version was  done , though. I like Arnaz's version better, tho'.
 
Ken said:

I'm pretty sure the first recorded version was Desi Arnaz on I Love Lucy:

That name is hilarious !
 
Tommy Careless said:

These gals ( The Meat Curtains ) did a pretty nice version, can't seem to find it on youtube though...

http://www.myspace.com/meatcurtainsband

 

~T

I think White did play guitar on it....I like that it IS a totally different song , but , the flipside (?) I think it's "Evil " by Howlin' Wolf , that kills.
antonio said:

Really? I think that's far from the original Jezebel. Sounds like a different song, it even has different lyrics. Is Jack White playing on it?

Jersey City Mods said:

New one from Tom Jones and Jack White

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaFoaAgpZ8Q

Reverend Horton Heat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqwJ65ZMxCw

The Everly Brothers (not their best work)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a5n89lNWNY

Sorry, I didn't fully vet that clip.  This one is more like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGNzjvsOn_o

Check out 'Shady Lady' too if you like that 70s glam sound. They were based in LA, originally from New York. I did this interview a coupla years ago:

http://www.sleazegrinder.net/2009/08/shady-lady-interview.html

YEAH , EXACTLY. THERE WAS ALWAYS A CONNECTION BETWEEN BUBBLEGUM AND PUNK/NEW WAVE /WTF.      The very first song The Cramps recorded was "Quick Joey Small". Slaughter and The Dogs did it later. Talking Heads did "1-2-3 Red Light", MANY bands did Yummy , Yummy , Yummy , of course , Like The Nervebreakers and even The Residents , but , Lithium Xmas ' Heavy Psych version of "Green Tambourine" must be heard too be believed. The Osmonds' departure from their stereotype BUBBLEGUM IMAGE, "Crazy Horses" was covered by Alexander Harvey , James Last ( of course) , Demented are Go , Tank , and some outfit on Wax Trax records. Wax Trax was one of the greatest record stores in the world , but , you invariably had to hear Industrial Dance music  from their label.

Once , an employee tried to scratch a record along to a Gene Vincent and The Blue Caps album. I looked at him , and said "Sacrilege" . He stopped.
 
Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

The Ramones did more than their fair share of bubblegum covers when starting out and also recorded a couple of classics (Indian Giver, Little Bit O'Soul) and a lot of decent 80s garage bands threw in a bublegum song or two into their set.  There's a lot of good stuff out there whether or not it's by studio musicians.  Sometimes it's the song, not the singer that should be listened to.

THE DEAL WAS , JUST  LIKE ALL THE GREAT 50'S NOVELTY ROCK RECORDS ,

THE 60'S BUBBLEGUM ERA HAD SOME BRILLIANTLY CRAFTED SONGS THAT DEFY YOU TO GET 'EM OUT OF YOUR HEAD

!Jersey City Mods said:

The "How Not to be Seen" sketch and the whole band was hiding in crates.

Rev. Norb said:

I dunno, but it was a crate singing it...or a guy hiding in a crate singing it.

 YOU'RE RIGHT. IT WAS BEN MILLER. DAM GOT OVER WITH THE PUNK CROWD , BUT THEY WERE VIRTUALLY UNCLASSIFIABLE. I READ AN EARLY REVIEW THAT COMPARED THEM TO HAWKWIND....WELL, THEY DID DO ROBERT CALVERT'S "THE RIGHT STUFF" , A GREAT TUNE.
 
Dead Boy said:

Hmmmmm, it may be Michael Davis, but I don't know, actually, but I think, hmmmmmmmm, it's not Ron(?????).

The sax player was Ben Miller..

DESTROY ALL MONSTERS - Art Garage Punk 1977 - 78

WELL , i USUALLY DON'T GET A LOT OF TIME....So , I have to play the crowdpleasers by Gary , T Rex , Sweet , Suzi , Slade , Mud , Wizzard , Mott , Roxy , Bowie , Alice , Dolls , the like. If there's time , I'll slip in something more obscure....I don't play any post - glam ,as a rule . Maybe a Hanoi Rocks song.....On occasion, I've played proto - Glam , like John Kongos. Never played "Neanderthal Man " by Hotlegs or "The Raver " by The Troggs. You have to sense the crowd , sort it out in your mind. It went real well last year , because a good group of people came to dance , to Rock'n'Roll (Imagine.).
 
Chris Henniker said:

Do you play any of the stuff influenced by glam? Like early punk, post-punk, Britpop, new wave, etc? Perhaps asking for more obscure stuff shows you just can't win sometimes, even when it was obscure in the US. 

John Battles said:

  It's true , Gary was a hit machine in Britain , and other countries , in the 70's , and , of course , Brownsville Station had a U.S. hit with "I'm The Leader of The Gang (I Am) ", while Joan Jett's version of "Do Ya Wanna Touch Me There (Oh Yeah)" went right through the roof , over here (Tho' I'll take Tommy James' version.). As with T Rex , Sweet and Slade , big things were predicted for Gary Glitter , at the time , in America , and though they all had hits (Slade had two low - charting singles in the 70's , and , of course , a big hit with "Run , Run Away"in the 80's.) , but , proper English did'nt translate , over here.  I DJ Glam Nights sometimes , and , if anyone tells me I'm not playing enough obscure stuiff , I tell them , It's ALL obscure , in the states.
 
Chris Henniker said:

I'd say it was a hoax, but he wouldn't get a passport or visa if it was true. It's a condition of his liberty not to leave the country. Not only that, the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 doesn't apply to any sentence over 2.5 years.

That said, he was a one hit wonder in the US, but he was very influential here. This makes it  all the more shocking. Ok, Pete Townsend was a major influence, but there is a media double standard at work. Glitter makes better copy because his fans were only 10 year old girls, but also people like Townsend appealed more to guys.

Notification Periods for offenders Sentenced under Sexual Offences Act 2003:^[3]

• Imprisonment for life or for 30 months or more, imprisonment for public protection, or admission to hospital under restriction order, or subject to an Order for Lifelong Restriction: Indefinitely
• Imprisonment for more than 6 but less than 30 months: 10 years
• Imprisonment for 6 months or less, or admission to hospital without restriction order: 7 years
• Caution: 2 years
• Conditional discharge or (in Scotland) a probation order: Period of discharge or probation
• Any other: 5 years
• Finite notification periods are halved if the person is under 18 when convicted or cautioned.

John Battles said:

 It's a loaded question , to be sure.

I , personally , don't think Glitter could get a tour off the ground , at this point. Maybe , here in the states , where his music is virtually unknown (Save for the use of his one American hit , "Rock'n'Roll Pt. 2" , only better known today via it's appearance at sporting events . But ,  if you mentioned his name or the name of any of his better - known songs , the average U.S. sports fan would , most likely , draw a blank.) , he could embark on that U.S. tour he made tentative plans for , 40 years ago (He's performed a total of two songs in America.).....Maybe. All the controversy surrounding Gary Glitter in the last , roughly , 15 years , went under the radar in America , recieving very little coverage at all. He did appear on an episode of VH1's  "Where Are They Now?", before the internet porn charge , and the program dealt , briefly , with the fact that he'd been charged with , and acquited of , two charges of indecency with a minor. Outside of a cult following , Glitter remains so obscure , here , he would'nt rate a sidebar in a scandal sheet.

That out of the way ,    yes I'm a fan of Gary Glitter's music , but not of things he did , or is said to have done. I'm not pro - murder, either , but , I admire the work of Leadbelly , Joe Meek , Phil Spector (OK , the verdict's never going to be out , but....Gee , D'YA THINK?) , Pat Hare , and , maybe to a lesser extent , Taildragger. I don't condone woman beating , but , I still like Ike Turner and Brian Jones' music.....Bill Wyman usually gets lumped in with Gary Glitter on the now - synonymous topic of pedophilia , but he did have the girl's Mother's consent (So much so that her Mom hooked up with his Son !), Not saying that makes everything peachy keen, but he had'nt had a scandal in his whole career with The Rolling Stones , barring the "We piss anywhere" incident , and he was due for one. Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry did , or were accused of , everything short of selling secrets to The Russians during The Cold War. They're still great Artists.  And , as great Artists go , you could'nt argue with Chaplin or Picasso , both of whom married teenagers.  Several times.

Then , there's the simple fact that , back in Gary's day , a large number of Groupies , at least , in the states , were'nt even old enough to attend their Junior Prom. Who was complaining about that ?

Roger Daltrey said , shortly after Pete Townshend's internet porn case was swept under the rug , that the way he felt about Glitter was , that this is a sickness , and that the way society deals with it is wrong (Even if it does turn out that a person like Gary can't be cured.  It's still not illegal to have such thoughts , only to act upon them. ). Maybe there is no end - all solution , but , would it be the end of civilization if offenders were treated , psychologically? Still , even after serving jail time , Glitter seems to be in vast denial. Upon returning to Britain (And , soon , requesting permission to relocate to France , while authorities concurrently sought Roman Polanski's extradition from the same country , to stand trial , here.) , a Journalist asked him if he intended to get help for his problem. He was told , "No , because I have'nt done anything wrong". If he'd told the man it was'nt his business , it might not have made him appear delusional.

So , it still seems possible that this Twitter site is a hoax. And , even if it is'nt , I don't know how Glitter intends to pull off a comeback tour. Negative publicity , however , is still publicity.  

That was Kate Moss Johnny buried ? Gotta love it. Johnny recorded "Deliah's Gone" three times.I HAVE AN ALBUM WITH ONE OF THE EARLIER VERSIONS...The lyrics are not as extreme. i ADMIT , i LOVE THOSE AMERICAN RECORDS , NOT SO MUCH THE ONE WITH tom petty...It's hard for me to listen to the last couple , because the man was dying. But , when I'm in the mood , I will. I saw Johnny when "Cash" had just come out , and it was really cool to hear him do some of those songs , solo. My Brother and Sister-in-Law and I SAT WITH AN 80 year old lady who'd been going to see Johnny since the 60's , which was SO cool. She said " I have'nt heard the new album yet , but I hear it's so personal". That sums it up .After the show Johnny literally walked thru the crowded lobby and into the street , no entourage , just walked through the people , because he knew he could get respect , and not be crowded. He got into  a cab , not a limo , and off he  party went.

Divine Horsemen is a good call. They were'nt that popular in their day , but , they put on a GREAT show. Their singer was Chris D. From The Flesheaters , and their Bassist , Robyn Jameson from the same band (a  version of the band.), and their early Guitarist was Cam King of The Explosives , Roky Erickson's primary band , tho' not anymore.....Their  other singer , Julie Christenson, was married to a member of The Conqueroo before she married Chris D.

They combined Country with traces of Punk and even Metal , not as The Flesheaters did , tho' , it was far more subtle....

If you like the Texas Psych oriented stuff , I URGE you to check out Cold Sun , an early - mid 70's "Psych when you could'nt give it away" band , very dark , led by Bill Miller, who later went on to Roky  Erickson and The Aliens. It's some mindbending shit , but , it won't come cheap.

Milt Trenier said that when he went to discuss his Brother , Cliff's  , hospital bill , after he died, he was informed that the entire thing , I think $80 , 000  , had been paid in full by one Francis Albert Sinatra. But , this was'nt something Frank wanted any press attention for , he just did it , because this was his friend , and he could afford to help his family.
Don said:

Fact is people screw each other. All classes of people. There is no one "percentage" that does it more than another.

Ever read about the lawsuit Liberty DeVitto had to have against Billy Joel?  All those albums, all those tours, and Lib was left penniless.

We like to classify this as a one group screwing another thing but in truth it is not. Its people.

Mind you there are a lot of fine people on all ends of the music biz, they're just overwhelmed by the number of scoundrels. Same, alas, is true among musicians.

One such fine person is Wolfgang Völkel at Break-A-Way Records. My work with him, altogether on line, in the creation of The Abstracts' "Hey, Let's Go  Now!" was a lesson in what the music business, or any business for that matter, could be. But that is because Wolfgang does what he does because he loves garage band music and also, I expect, because at heart he is simply a fine human being.  And the later is what is rare every where in the human gene pool.

-don

I won't get into drugs (Because I'm not into drugs.) , mainly because Andre's been an open book about that....But , he told me ,when "Bacon Fat " hit , and Andre was playing the big chain of theatres that culminated with the prize , The Apollo (WITH Little Richard and Screamin' Jay Hawkins on one bill !!!!). First , he bought a Cadillac , wrecked that , and bought "THE BRINTZ EL - DOH - RAH - DOH ....I TURNED AROUND AND SAID "ANDRE WILLIAMS....baaaaad motherfucker!!" . The thing was , Williams pointed out ,  everything he wanted , back then , he could have ,as clothes and cars
and the like , were so much cheaper , back then. BUT , when the hits stopped coming , he could'nt afford to keep up said indulgences. He cowrote "Shake a Tail Feather" and claims he almost got a piece of "Mustang Sally" , and was always IN the biz , particularly at Motown , early on , but one hit record, and some lesser - selling classics , were'nt going to keep Williams living the high life , with or without drink or drugs in the equation. 
Matthew Nykodym said:

I was alluding to the line in Mr. Chambers stating that "He did NOT squander his money on drugs",  and whether you want to call it squander or not Andre did use some of his earning on drugs.  Andre had a #9 on the r&b back in 1957 with Bacon Fat and wrote Shake A Tail Feather which has been covered by everbody and his dog. Andre has expressed for years that he has been under paid for his music especially that latter.

Some of these things take time ....I always thought End of The Century had some great , catchy songs. It only REALLY sounds like a Spector job on the obvious number...But , you can almost hear them in a tug of war over sound , style and substance. Spector had'nt done very much since "Let It Be''(Well , Ronnie Spector's 45 on Apple was great.) and John Lennon's "Rock'n'Roll" (Actually , nothing since the latter.). He may have thought The Ramones were his ticket to street cred , as much as they may have thought he was their ticket to commercial success. The Ramones , and it's criminal , but it's so , were not destined to become a BIG group , raking in major coin , until they started dying.

"Pleasant Dreams " is REALLY a case of experimenting with different styles ....some that I personally , like better than others , but , I don't dislike any of it. I used to , but it's grown on me over the years. I bought it at a flea market , in '84 , I think.

Bands have to grow, experiment, and make music for the present day.  Restricting oneself from development is a one-way street to self-parody. 

When it comes to bands with extensive discographies the Ramones is stronger than most.  Even their most scrutinized efforts are miles ahead than many artists best accomplishments. 

I find it strange that albums such as ‘End of the Century’ and ‘Pleasant Dreams’ aren’t held in as high regard as their earlier LP’s. The songwriting is so strong and the sweat is there.  I do believe the media and even members the band like to hate on these albums to make the legend more interesting.  It doesn’t appear to me that it’s a popular opinion among fans.

That being said, the point at which I feel the Ramones began to stumble was around ‘Animal Boy’ and ‘Halfway to Sanity’.  ‘Brain Drain’ was an improvement. 

Did they jump the shark?  Sure.  The albums they made after Dee Dee departed were pretty lifeless.  Although they had fun a moment or two.