i pretty much agree with what you said,i just believethey are equel parts garage and post punk,and some other parts of christ knows what!?

yeah it would be amazing for garage acts to pick up on them a bit more,only good can come of that!i think my point was really just that them being mentioned in the context of garage would be a positive thing.listening to uv race now,they are cracking!!whats the score wi them?

dave said:

Hey, everyone,

Let's see, how do I put my opinion? Yes, the Fall are one of my favorite bands EVARRR (listening to The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour [Full Album] now) because they embody so much of the punk attitude (endlessly curious, Mark E Smith is a rock and roll mulching machine, chewing up anything he likes, adding it to his band's slurry). He doesn't care who he pisses off, kinda like Miles Davis, he is true to his own ideas.

As TIRC replied, they seem more post-punky to me, but it's just a word, no need to get hung up on it. Call 'em what ya wish...

While they are fans of the garage sound/bands and attitude ("If you can't deliver it like a garage band, fuck it"), they don't stop there.

Also, as SWT added, there is no-one else like them, The Fall are a very tasty mutation! Like the first time I saw a challenging movie like Blade Runner or Brazil, I was intrigued by them because they had something that kept making my mind pink and come back to them (first exposure to them was "Marquis ChaCha" on college radio).

Also hope that future garage bands use them as grist for their mills. Does anyone else think that UV Race owes a debt to them (listen to Homo)?

So, punky but not garage-punk strictly. Great comments everyone!

Best, Dave

Hey, everyone,

Let's see, how do I put my opinion? Yes, the Fall are one of my favorite bands EVARRR (listening to The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour [Full Album] now) because they embody so much of the punk attitude (endlessly curious, Mark E Smith is a rock and roll mulching machine, chewing up anything he likes, adding it to his band's slurry). He doesn't care who he pisses off, kinda like Miles Davis, he is true to his own ideas.

As TIRC replied, they seem more post-punky to me, but it's just a word, no need to get hung up on it. Call 'em what ya wish...

While they are fans of the garage sound/bands and attitude ("If you can't deliver it like a garage band, fuck it"), they don't stop there.

Also, as SWT added, there is no-one else like them, The Fall are a very tasty mutation! Like the first time I saw a challenging movie like Blade Runner or Brazil, I was intrigued by them because they had something that kept making my mind pink and come back to them (first exposure to them was "Marquis ChaCha" on college radio).

Also hope that future garage bands use them as grist for their mills. Does anyone else think that UV Race owes a debt to them (listen to Homo)?

So, punky but not garage-punk strictly. Great comments everyone!

Best, Dave

ok here's what i think on it all,firstly i believe the fall are the closest and any band has ever came to perfection(in my ideals at least),and no i dont believe them to be the greatest garage act ever,without being at all controversial,if your speaking about the best garage bands ever,id have to mention bands like oblivions,standells,kingsmen,the seeds,maybe early white stripes,etc etc,but in amonst all that i believe the fall deserve an honourable mention,like tirc said above he'd never thought of them in that context,the reason i do is there total dedication to a non fuck around attitude to recording and production,there constant productivity,generally a total lack of pretention,a constant name checking and covering of garage bands like count five,the move,the monks and so many more,and mostly there total disregard for the mainstream,so no i dont believe them to be the best GR band ever but i do think they should be mentioned a lot more in the context of GR.

@jon,belter of a tune and album YFOC!!!mental recording that 30 ye into your career!:)

@swt.have you a copy of your interview online i could read,i take it he was in one of his better moods that night?

I love the Fall, but I have to admit that I've never really thought of them in a "garage rock" band context. I guess I thought of them more as post-punk or whatever. Who knows. 

I didn't read Fritz's comments as rude, though (but that may be just because I wasn't the one posing the questions). Not everyone is going to agree on everything here, so lighten up everybody!

Also, I'd like to add that even though the main musical obsession of this site and its inhabitants is garage (rock and/or punk), we obviously like all sorts of raw rock'n'roll and other styles of music that are somehow related or connected to it. Just reading back through the forum here will tell you that.

hey folks,thanks for replying,im in a bit of a rush just now,so ill get back to you all later,but......i have to reply to "fritz",him at the top of the thread,basically because he was just so totally fuckin rude,i/we are in a site dedicated to discussion on music,so i was starting a discussion,i never made a statement,there were question marks!!

you say that there are many better bands i should talk about,well im so sorry fritz,before i post next time,ill be in touch with you to find out exactly which bands you think are good enough!will that keep you happy?

"why lable everything" are you taking the piss,we are in a site thats dedictaed to,lofi,trash,surf,garage,punk,et etc etc,so i dont think im too out of step with things,again the key thing here is i was starting a discussion!!

cheers everyone else,speak later.

I had the pleasure of interviewing Mark E. Smith in the early 80s here in Santa Fe New Mexico at Evangelos' bar, which was across the street from the theater The Fall played at. I wasn't even familiar with their music at the time and wasn't sure what to expect at the concert or the interview. I expected Smith might have a lot of attitude, but it turned out he was friendly as hell. We just sat there drinking beer and talking about music. I remember I was impressed and felt a certain kinship because he liked both Johnny Cash and Capt. Beefheart. I do too, of course but at that point I didn't know that many people who liked both.

I wasn't that crazy about their music that night. It seemed so alien! I remember writing that I felt like Dylan's Mr. Jones. I KNEW something was happening but I wasn't sure what it was. They played a lot from Slates that night, which was their most recent EP at the time.

A few years later something clicked though and I became a rabid fan. The music grew on me. Like a weird fungus. I'd love to go back and see that Santa Fe show.

I agree, it doesn't matter if they're garage or not, though lots of their music draws from garage rock.

In one relatively recent review I wrote, "The band is actually sending coded messages to some alien/Lovecraftian sleeper cell. Some isolated Smith yelp in conjunction with some post-Standells guitar hook causes some shift in brain chemistry in some isolated listener, and next thing you know some unwitting Fall fan in Dalhart, Texas, is making a 4 a.m. drive to the Tucumcari airport to pick up a crate of something unspeakable delivered on a secret flight from Bohemian Grove."

http://steveterrell.blogspot.com/2007/04/terrells-tuneup-fall-forward.html

Antonio , I did'nt see , Hawkwind , personally , but , I did have plenty of chances when Dave Brock and Nick Turner had comperrting versions of the band going(Late 80's , 90's.). I went to one of Brock's Hawkwind gigs , only to find it had been cancelled.

No , what I wrote was a joke ,in reference to John Lydon. Lemmy said that he used to see Lydon at Hawkwind gigs in the early 70's , selling LSD.    The Sex Pistols still play "Silver Machine " , sometimes , if they have'nt hung it up for good.
 
antonio said:

Did you really see the Hawkwind?

John Battles said:

Always quotable. Johnny straddles the line , here , between intimidating and genuinely hilarious. OH, YEAH. He still does that. "Freedom . Something the Hippies spoke of...when I was selling LSD at Hawkwind shows....OH , SHIT. Edit that part out.
 
antonio said:

John...

super fuckin pish "country" with a horrific hip hop club video,never seen anything like that in the uk.....ever!is that common in the US

SarahJayne said:

This one is pretty bad. Text book definition of suck.

This is almost  (or should I say, outright) camp.
The Yowl said:

Barbarian gone wrong.

If they weren't serious, they would be genius:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhq1uWY9wHg

Barbarian gone wrong.

If they weren't serious, they would be genius:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhq1uWY9wHg

2 birds with one stone. That could also be the worst "song" i've ever heard too... lol.

This is all-around awful.

Hmmm... dare I point out the obvious? ;)

I've been a bit lazy moderne band and social wise the last year or two... what's the best stuff to come out in the last few years?

Playlist June 14/2012.....

1. Shadowy Men On A Shadowy Planet....Batman....1989 demo. The Shads are doing 2 reunion shows next month, Toronto and Edmonton.

2. Nils...Freedom....from the Sell Out Young  EP 1989 as The Nils were in town  last night.

3. Light Bulb Alley....Pepper Spray...from the latest Garagepunk Hideout comp, We Love Trash.

4. Sam Coffey and the Iron Lungs...Cream...from a recent cassette on Hosehead Records.

5. Johnny Terrien and The Bad Lieutenants...Eyes...from their recent split 7"

6. Drums Along The Gardiner...She Said No....from their 1989 cassette, Boronto. That goes out to Painted Ship as the rebuttal song to And She Said  Yes!

7. Drums Along The Gardiner...Vagabond...from the 1989 OG Records compilation, Mr Garager's Neighbourhood. DATG were a Toronto based 4 piece that did a combination of 60's punk meets 80's punk meets metal and were a real fun band to go see.

8. Cheshyres...Little Girl....demo from 1989, featuring Ken Anderson who later went on to The Optic Nerve and the Ultra 5 and is currently in a folk duo with his wife.

9. Thee Walkin' Jacks...Gabe Song....from their new CD, Drop Dead.

10. Bloodshot Bill....Right Out The Door...from his latest 7" on Transistor 66 Records.

11. Love...Can't Explain...from the Rhino Greatest Hits LP. This is the start of our tribute to Ugly Things zine as the new issue is out and all of the next few bands were either featured on interviewed in it.

12. Hangmen...What A Girl Can't Do...the single version from Signed DC, 1984 Satan Records compilation.

13. Syndicat...Egyptian Thing...from Back From The Grave Volume 7.

14. Craig...I Must Be Mad....from Chocolate Soup For Diabetics Volume 2.

15. Groep 1850...I Know...from a compilation called The V-Lips Greatest Hits....Philips Dutch comp of 60's combos.

16. Wimple Witch...Rumble On Mersey Square South...from Chocolate Soup For Diabetics Volume 2.

17. Electric Eels...So Agitated...from a CD comp of their stuff.

18. Barrence Whitfield and The Savages....Walkin' With Barrence...from their first LP from 1984. And that's the end of the Ugly Things set...the latest is an essential  purchase if you dig the  kinda music heard on Radio WW.

19. Fleetwood Mac....For Your Love...from the Mystery To Me LP and goes out to Bob Welch,  vocalist/guitarist who passed away last week.

20. Counters....Haunted House...from the This Doesn't Mean We're Friends CD.

21. Terror  Lake...Chitter Chatter....recent demo from this Toronto 3 piece.

22. Weirdonia...Green Tables....from their Freaks CD...Windsor Ontario 2 piece combo.

23. Living Deadbeats...Evil Hearted Blues...from their about to be released 12".

24. T.H.E.....Grilled Cheese....mystery demo from a London Ontario combo.

25. Dynamite Pussy Club...Primeaval...from their Church Of Yeah CD.

Right around here i tried to play a live Purple Toads cassette...unfortunately, it looks like the cassette deck ate the tape.

26. Marvelous Beauhunks...Fantasy Merry Go Round....from their Do Not Resuscitate CD...

That's it for this week! There were enough screwups for 2 shows! We'll try and top that count next week.

Here's a link to the archived show:

http://chrwradio.com/podcasts/94-9CHRWThu1800.mp3

http://chrwradio.com/podcasts/94-9CHRWThu1830.mp3

http://chrwradio.com/podcasts/94-9CHRWThu1900.mp3

I will be on the air and the web on Saturday June 16th from 1:00-3:00PM EST on 89.7 WITR FM in Rochester, NY or streaming live at http://witr.rit.edu

I dig the Oblivians "Locomotion" on Best of the Worst... I think because i'm more familiar with the kylie minogue sucky version than the little eva one... Country Teasers "No Limits" and "Tainted love" our also classic...

Dirtbombs - Kiss Kiss Kiss

Hey, cheers... I've been off the grid for awhile, forgot I even posted this... I'll check it out.

I put a child on you !!!

The Branded!

And Masshysteri is a great punk band.

The Stevie Miller thing is great. My Brother pulled a Chris Farley on Miller , once - "Stevie Miller! When you did "Big Ol Jet Airliner"...THAT WAS AWESOME !!!". And he BOUGHT it ,too!.
The Nevermores said:

when I was a kid my friend mark told me about a song by the rolling stones called "I ain't Jeff" turned out to be "angie"

also a great mishearing of steve miller's big ol jet air liner:

"BINGO JET HAD A LIGHT ON"

when I was a kid my friend mark told me about a song by the rolling stones called "I ain't Jeff" turned out to be "angie"

also a great mishearing of steve miller's big ol jet air liner:

"BINGO JET HAD A LIGHT ON"

Not that I listen to Classic Rock Radio (Except at Five Guys. It still " beats " the  drum machine driven hip hop  I have to hear every day.), but , I should'nt be surprised......

Hell , "Should I Stay or Should I Go" was one of the only deliberately Garage Rock - inspired hits of the early 80's. If not THE only.     The Clash worked their balls off to make it. I did'nt have a problem with that.   They were'nt even being called"Punk" by that many people by the time "London Calling " came out, never mind "Combat Rock".  By then, they were just called "Rock". They still did several songs from the first album when I saw them in June , '82 , because Terry Chimes was back on drums.
Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

Yeah, the two Combat Rock singles and "Train in Vain" still get played on Classic rock stations.

John Battles said:

I just remember that The Clash were very popular , at least , toward the end. They had a top - charting LP , two big hits on the radio and on MTV , and one earlier hit back in rotation. They were playing bigger concerts and ginormous festivals. Of course , that all lasted little over a year.

When Mick Jones got the sack , Strummer carried on like the band was going to get back to square one. Virtually no one admits to liking the resulting album , but , I've been told the revamped lineup was'nt bad, live. Of course , by '82 , the accusations of selling out were on everybody's lips. "Combat Rock" lacked direction , but , I did'nt think there was a hit , there. The album as a whole hardly sounds like a sellout.  I saw them on that tour , and they brought the rock. 

So how come we use the word "punk" instead of "rebellious" when that's what is implied?