It is especially annoying when rich and famous artists complain - you know the ones who make it big on there first album and then their second album is all tears about how lonely it is at the top, and no one knows who they really are, but everyone wants to get a piece... Gag!

The band fighting is also pretty stupid, but nothing is worse than the rap world when it comes to that issue! 

 I agree. Here's a guy that had everything (Short of talent.) , and he sabotoged his own gigs at every given opportunity. Most famously (And I'm NOT a Metallica fan, either.) the time Metallica preceded Guns'n'Roses , and James Hetfield was severely burned in a pyrotechnics mishap. Axl Rose could have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat by giving the show of his life . He bailed after about 5 minutes , and a riot ensued.....And people are supposed to care if this band reforms , or already did ?

No one cares. In fact, you're more likely to LOSE fans with stupid lyrics bitching about something else no one cares about than to gain new ones because of it. I think the biggest thing that matters is the melody, the hook, and the BEAT.

Oh, and FUCK Axl Rose. That guy's the biggest whiner of the bunch. Should've gotten his ass kicked in St. Louis.

Was sat here last night with my iTunes playing away on random and got two very different songs on one after another (no real surprise there, I know), but both had a similar thread to them...plain bitching. First up was Guns n Roses Get In The Ring, where Axl calls out a host of journos who have dissed the band and second up was Fiona Apple by Ze Malibu Kids, which responds to the singer's criticism of the guys from Redd Kross (who also, along with wives and daughters, make up Ze Malibu Kids). It got me thinking if there are any other instances where bands simply write a song to bitch about how they've personally been treated and if that's something that other people actually give a shit about. Should we write a song about how we've been screwed over by the electricity company? Would anyone care? Obviously sometimes it leads to some classic rock n roll - The Ramones' KKK Took My Baby Away a case in point, and a perfect example of band in-fighting to boot, and there's always The Beatles' Taxman. What do you think? Do you care or do you wish that sometimes bands would just stop the bitching and play? Perhaps more importantly, and maybe we'll get slammed for thinking that this is something that "little kids do", but has your opinion of one artist ever been influenced by what another artist thinks of them?

Nothing wrong with it - just not currently in style, but check these kids out:

GINGERS!

TeenFink said:

oh, come on.....BROWN HAIR? hello, fashion nazi!!!! also, wtf is wrong with vox guitars???

 

Wait, fanny packs are still cool, though, right? <phew>

I have changed my opinion on the seeds and grew to love them. And when I say hype its just people and the web kept describing them as so raw and mental and I guess they simply wern't as deranged as I thought they would be.

hicksville hogwash said:

Try and reconsider The Seeds (and being hyped!  ...errr when?)  The Seeds are the only band I could listen to forever (sad but true).  They like Bo Diddley felt their groove so strongly that most every song/album is based on one or two chords.  

Sure Sky's voice is whiny but he is a magician of subliminal psychedelic messaging transforming into your trip guide by harnessing the primal power of the animal, plant and fungal kingdoms.  I hate to push drugs on you but with psychedelics the Seeds are better than 99.66% of "psychedelic bands"  they Pushed the envelope..... They were one of the first, IMHO the Doors ripped their entire act and sound ....

"Pushing too Hard" should be a standard ....

dying slowly said:

i can never get into the seeds i guess they got to hyped up for me

Try and reconsider The Seeds (and being hyped!  ...errr when?)  The Seeds are the only band I could listen to forever (sad but true).  They like Bo Diddley felt their groove so strongly that most every song/album is based on one or two chords.  

Sure Sky's voice is whiny but he is a magician of subliminal psychedelic messaging transforming into your trip guide by harnessing the primal power of the animal, plant and fungal kingdoms.  I hate to push drugs on you but with psychedelics the Seeds are better than 99.66% of "psychedelic bands"  they Pushed the envelope..... They were one of the first, IMHO the Doors ripped their entire act and sound ....

"Pushing too Hard" should be a standard ....

dying slowly said:

i can never get into the seeds i guess they got to hyped up for me

:)

hicksville hogwash said:

Hogwash's research has uncovered that thee "garage" standards should only be tunes that are covers of another cover, until the original artists versions tune, lyrics, timing is lost in the confusion.  

So under these conditions thee standards should begin with: Louie Louie, Surfin' Bird/Pah Ooh Mow Mow, Empty Heart, Suzie Q, Summertime Blues, Gloria........

Oh come on, nothing?

Definitely NOT the '60s. That's modern production. Don't know the song, though, sorry.

I downloaded this years ago from Napster. It was listed as the Kaleidoscope and the song as Leaving Here. 

This is not a song I believe is actually recorded by either band named the Kaleidoscope (US or UK) from the 60s. This sounds more 90s production to me. Anyone have any idea who this is? I love it, just don't know who it is.

Mystery Band doing a Mystery Song????

L7. 

First off you guys do do a top-notch job and of course if you've got members leaving due to a perceived low quality of discussion threads then this will lead you to consider removing them, but perhaps the better course of action would have been to set up an "It's all fun and games" group where these threads could have been moved to. That way those who want to continue the chain reaction or post what they're listening to at the moment are free to, while others do not have them cluttering up the main thread. This is something that you do with other types of posts and works excellently as you can discover discussions that would ultimately be lost under a pile of "What's your favourite animal related song?" posts. (Rocky Racoon for me). In doing that, when future members join, you won't be shutting down more posts by those who do not realise that you have set certain standards as by shutting down posts of newcomers you risk them leaving immediately and not engaging further with the community and with those posts that you do want to see more of. The danger is that now you've set a precident and I'm sure you'll be shutting down more posts in the future in the name of quality control. I'm all for raising the bar, but everyone's gotta be able to jump it.

The other discussions, such as the selling out one, when they turn nasty of course you have to step in and shut that down. This is the problem with internet anonymity. I was a little pissed at the time (not at you guys, at those who'd turned it nasty) as I had spent a few days considering the issue and had a whole response planned about pride, clique behaviour and group dynamics (it's the social scientist in me!), but found it locked when I went back. That would certainly be a discussion I'd like to see again, but a reasoned discussion where people back up their arguments, respect others' points of view and not start slinging shit. As my granny used to say, "It's an opinion, it can't be wrong."

Hey Alison, I sure understand where you're coming from, public discussion is always good and needed. I was just trying to point out that the Hideout has a good history of community stuff happening and where else do you get to address the folks that run the bunny directly? Yeah, sometimes it can sound scruff, but 97% of the time it comes off fair and good. Hell, we're punks not the Zuckerberg army :)

As your "what's happening in your scene" discussion shows, there's even very good places to throw around videos AND making sense, while picking up on fun stuff. So there you have it.

I believe Axel (I know it could have been any of the members that had their thing closed) is a relaxed enough dude to maybe repost his thing to his Blog. Although I thought it was funny too, I wasn't gonna contribute, I have a hard enough time catching up with everything else here, haha.

Whoaaa.  Seriously, did not mean to offend you guys, and I certainly do not have an "intense problem" or feel there is a "conspiracy."  I very much appreciate your hard work with this site and your podcasts.  So I do intensely apologize if I have put anyone in a "bulls eye" because that was not my intention. I have a very teasing, silly nature so my post was meant very tongue in cheek - of course I do not actually think Gringo Starr is a fascist. It is just in my nature to challenge authority, and like it or not, as moderators, you guys are the authority here so you will have to expect push back sometimes (I also hope at some point you will see that push back can be a healthy thing).

I can understand how you can often be in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation with moderating.  Perhaps there could be a more democratic, communal way of handling these situations so you won't have the pressure of being the bad guy?  Some sites have ways for members to flag comments and posts so they will be removed after so many flags.  I don't know what the solutions is, I just think it warrants further discussion amongst all the members which is why I didn't just email Kopper about it.  I think it would be good for the group to talk about what type of posts they like or don't like.

My point about the caveman, cavewoman thing is that people often don't always analyze why they like something, they just feel it in their gut and want to share it which is probably why people often respond to discussions with videos, which is not the same thing as being a troll or an asshole, or even trying to play a game.  I'm not saying it is good or bad, just what's been happening.   Now that you have stated you want to raise the bar, you will need to he more descriptive about what your expectations are. 

Anyhoo, I will qualify my earlier statement with, don't take me so seriously. Just take care and keep up your good work.

Well, that's what I call a good set of responses by the moderator guild here. I'd say, about 200% better and nicer than what you would get on any "web 2.75" site that really takes itself too seriously.

Believe me, these guys are as far away from being a bunch of squares as anyone can be. No one was ever asked to kiss any rings here & it's not gonna happen in the future.

And it was stated that you can be silly whenever you want to - Blog posts or chat or yer buddies profile comments - whatever, hell you can even have Blogposts that only your friends see. Silly/stupid/fun games on those should bother no one.

The Hideout for what couple of 1000 users it has, is pretty damn diverse. A lot of different tastes come together and that's freakin amazing to me. There's quite few assholery going on and it always sticks out and gets leveled with some personal care, when it comes around. It's a "PLACE FILLED WITH EXCITEMENT" - I love that, cuz the internets filled with enough shit anyway. But it's growing bigger and that just takes some doing-to.

The guys operating it, believe it or not, do it for free and have kept this up and running in various stages of mutation over the years - that's a lot of work. Haven't heard them put up a discussion titled, "APPLAUSE FOR MEEEEE, ME & ME!" ;) We're here now with some moderating and some changes happening in the general discussions board. So yeah, cool with me, it's just a means of handling this monster, not pissing people off.

There's no conspiracy going on - So cut the whole thing some slack, pleeze?

....No Ghoulardi , No Cle - Punk. 

I forgot one...When I first heard "I Wanna Be Well " by Los Hermanos Ramone, I thought it went "I Wanna Be Whipped" . I had a tape of some songs from The Ramones' 1977 show in Ft. Worth , and Joey says "WEEEEEELLLLL....AFTER EATING AT PANCHO'S (Gross "Mexican" Buffet.) ....I WANNA BE WELL !" . It was even funnier that I thought he meant the food was so bad at Pancho's , he should be whipped for even eating it....

You're s'posed to be using Feedburner, remember? *bangs head on wall* I'll shoot you a DM. Check your inbox for further instructions.

YOU GOT GOOD TASTE said:

http://yougotgoodtaste.podomatic.com/rss2.xml

Bob Wayne, 357 String Band, Goddamn Gallows (recent), Wayne the Train, Hank 3?  Or is that stuff too recent?

Hey Anna!

Sorry, it's a classical NOT-reply from me. Can't help...

But maybe Marty from Pacification can be asked, he did print some posters digitally if I'm right. Haven't seen them in the flesh, for how they looked printed. I guess it was in the NY area, where production happened.

Anybody know any decent, affordable poster printers? Not silkscreen, cos it's a 4 color job. Any info would be awesome. Thanks!!

YEP!

electrocute your cock said:

...Hell if they wanna fart into a top hat and record it then by god they will fart into a top hat and record it! Bring the fucker on!

I can understand some people being a bit wary about a band getting back together and putting out a new record fifteen years after the last one especially when Play 9 Songs was such a great way to go out but the way I look at it is those guys have put out a shitload of great music since then so I an't see them suddenly fucking this up. It's not like they've been away from music all these years. Hell if they wanna fart into a top hat and record it then by god they will fart into a top hat and record it! Bring the fucker on!