Did anyone mention Einstürzende Neubauten ? Guess you should check their 80's stuff (even if some call it more indus than goth).
And what about Killing Joke first 2 lp and singles ?
Early Wall of Voodoo (Stan Ridgway period) should be tried too if you ain't afraid of mixing Suicide with country music !

About Bauhaus, I really loved them when I was a kid but I can't listen to them anymore...much too arty and Bowiesque to my dirty old ears...
About the intro of "Bela Lugosi's dead" picked up by The Dirtbombs in their "Kung-Fu" version, Jay Reatard did the same thing in "Blood visions" (the song).
About The Sisters of Mercy, if you ain't dead of too much laughing after listening to their "First and last and always" lp, you'd better try the first eps, especially the one with "Alice" and their cover of "1969". Those eps are also gathered in the "Some girls wander by mistake" cd. But, once again, you may laugh more than cry... which is quite a pity for a wannabe dark and romantic goth !

About the bands that deals with dark and horror themes, you can't forget the kings of Psychobilly : The Meteors !

At last, I would say better forget about all these not so great bands, who probably used to spend more time fixing their dark mascara and blood red lipstick than practicing witchcraft in spooky cemetaries under the full moon, and please check each and every stuff with Steve Pallow or Haunted George in !!!

Then you might like TSOL from 1982-1984 and of course the Misfits. Johnny Paradox said:

Okay, so I dress goth, however, I love gothic literature and music. However I also love punk style and incorporate a lot of that into my clothing as well.. horrorpunk I suppose? LOL

Okay, so I dress goth, however, I love gothic literature and music. However I also love punk style and incorporate a lot of that into my clothing as well.. horrorpunk I suppose? LOL

Lydia Lunch is over rated. Rockin Rod Strychnine said:

That was pretty interesting. I never knew that Suicide was considered part of New York's No Wave scene seeing as it was common to find them sharing stages with the Ramones, Television, The Voidoids, and other New York bands who stood out from each other. As noisy and arty as they were, I always thought they were more talented than bands like the Contortions and Teen Age Jesus and the Jerks (I think Lydia Lunch is over rated).

kopper said:

Click here for All You Ever Wanted to Know About No Wave But Were Afraid to Ask.

That was pretty interesting. I never knew that Suicide was considered part of New York's No Wave scene seeing as it was common to find them sharing stages with the Ramones, Television, The Voidoids, and other New York bands who stood out from each other. As noisy and arty as they were, I always thought they were more talented than bands like the Contortions and Teen Age Jesus and the Jerks (I think Lydia Lunch is over rated). kopper said:

Click here for All You Ever Wanted to Know About No Wave But Were Afraid to Ask.

I'm not a huge L&R fan, but there is a cool shot of Daniel Ash playing a vintage Hagstrom Futurama somewhere about 3:30 and he's fucking wearing gloves to boot. I like the song when I'm at a club, I mean ...it's better than the hotel californee. I find that goth punks tend to come across and use great instruments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SBs0g7qF-s

While I didn't listen to a lot of Rap music, I liked what I heard between 1985 to about 1990. Mostly Run-DMC, Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, LL Cool Jay, I guess a lot of the early Def Jam things. Also liked Ice T and the first NWA record. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one. I only own 3 rap records however and they're all Beastie Boys.

Jurassic 5! Listening to 50 cent and saying you like hip hop is like listening to Avril Lavigne and saying you like punk rock.

Sonic Boom 6 do a great ska punk hip hop fusion along with Kingprawn although Kingprawn are no more. The Clash experimented a bit with rap and of course then so did Tim Armstrong, not least with the Transplands.

It's tricky to know exactly where the "urban music" thing wears off I mean Red Hot Chilli Peppers were a punk band that experimented with funk but are now a rock band playing around with funk and rap.

Check out acid jazz, the genre is a generally British jazz hip hop fusion that doesn't have the bullshit of gangster rap and sounds good to chill out to.

I used to listen to a lot of hip-hip/rap back in college like 5-10 years ago. The "pop" stuff always sucked, but at least I could dance to it. But the rap I was most interested in was always the old school stuff like NWA, A Tribe Called Quest, Run DMC, and the like. I'll admit a guilty pleasure of Southern Rap for a few years, but these days, I've basically given up on all rap music.

As for the old-school Beastie Boys, they were definitely a hardcore band. Not very good, but definitely a hardcore band. Then they moved towards hip-hop. However In 1995, they released a hardcore EP for fun. It was called "Aglio e Olio". It commands a decent price on vinyl if you can find it. I've got it on CD, and it pops up on my iPod every now and then. It's a fun listen because it's not that good.

Beastie Boys were always about crossing genres. Check out their 1996 instrumental jazz album, "The In Sound From Way Out" or their 2007 instrumental "The Mix Up".

Another good act out of the early 90s era - Diamond D and the Psychotic Neurotics. Pure, from the source (Bronx) & untouched by mainstream bullshit. Not that gangster either, if you don't go for the NWA thug style...just rapping about regular shit, especially digging in the crates for records. He has interesting sample sources too. But another thing that got me thinking about it is this Mos Def song, which references all these white musicians like Elvis and the Stones vs Nina Simone and James Brown, etc. But mainly because listen to what it turns into around 3:50. Growing up in New York I'm sure the dude was conscious of what was going on with punk music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5H3IV1e1Ew

Well said, Marty. I've seen the SCRATCH documentary 5 or 6 times. I'd go as far as to say it's the best music documentary i've ever seen. It goes into great detail about the whole Hip-Hop culture and I think it's really well made. I was pretty fascinated by the whole turntable-ism genre [Cut Chemist, DJ Shadow, etc.] and how they were turning their turntables into musical instruments. Everyone with an interest in music should check it out. High Lord Mardy Pune said:

I totally agree with Ixnayray. The chart shit is just that; it's shit. But the kids keep buying into it and record companies like making money.
I like the early gangsta rap N.W.A., Ice T... A lot of people get offended by it but I think the rappers are just telling it like it is. I think the making of any good rapper though is the DJ sitting behind them. Kool Herc and Grand Master Flash were total musical revolutionaries and I think their attitude was totally punk; "fuck it this is how I'm doing it"

You have to remember that the term hip hop refers to the four corners as Hip Hoppers call it: Rappers, DJ's, dancers and Graph Artists. There's a great doco called Scratch which is mainly about DJing but sorta looks at the other three aspects of Hip Hop.

I totally agree with Ixnayray. The chart shit is just that; it's shit. But the kids keep buying into it and record companies like making money.
I like the early gangsta rap N.W.A., Ice T... A lot of people get offended by it but I think the rappers are just telling it like it is. I think the making of any good rapper though is the DJ sitting behind them. Kool Herc and Grand Master Flash were total musical revolutionaries and I think their attitude was totally punk; "fuck it this is how I'm doing it"

You have to remember that the term hip hop refers to the four corners as Hip Hoppers call it: Rappers, DJ's, dancers and Graph Artists. There's a great doco called Scratch which is mainly about DJing but sorta looks at the other three aspects of Hip Hop.

I had some tasty livers at Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles last week... High Lord Mardy Pune said:

I like my kidney's. You can have my liver... it smells kinda rotten at the mo tho...

I like my kidney's. You can have my liver... it smells kinda rotten at the mo tho...

Send your kidneys to Matt!

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Electronic tuners are a life saver but if you're learning on acoustic (or if your money went all into a guitar and now can't afford the tuner), try and find a pitch pipe. They really are extreamly helpful. And also the fifth fret is going to be what the next string is going to be (with one exception). YOu want to tune the low E string first and work your way up. Whoever's helping you, have them show you what they are doing. OCEAN PALACE said:

cheers for telling us that mate appriciate it,,, and with regards to playing bass, i cant even tune a guitar without help,,, i really struggle finding the notes and stuff haha

Yep, Los Straitjackets should go under S. Good point. And I have all the Stooges stuff under S and Iggy's solo stuff under P, since I always thought of "Pop" as his last name. And yeah, I have Lightning Beat-Man's stuff under L and Reverend Beat-Man under R. Maybe putting him in the B's would be better (or under Z for Zeller, ha!). That's a toughie. Mike said:

I used to do the number bands by letter, but I now find it easier to put them in front in numerical order, but there are a few that still throw a curve like 999 who on some releases go by Nine Nine Nine on the sleeve, but almost always 999 on the label. For now I still have them in "N".
The Stooges are another. You have Stooges, Iggy & the Stooges, Iggy Pop. I have any variation of Stooges filed under "S" and Iggy Pop under "I", not P as just saying Iggy is all it takes to know who you are talking about. But I do put artists like Johnny Thunders under "T". Comps/ Various Artists / Soundtracks/ and any splits with three or more bands I do as Kopper does and file them by title after the "Z"'s. Now here are my questions: 1. I'm an English speaker so I end up putting all the bands with Los, Las, and Die by those words ("L" & "D") though I know that is nothing more than "the". What do the rest of you do? 2. Split realeases, what to do?!? I generally put them under the band I view as being more significant (or that I just like better), but it makes it hard to remember what's on those other sides when I'm perusing a particular band whose split is filed under the other artists name. 3. My last question is what to do with someone like Beat-Man? Under "B" for Beat Man or under "L" when he's Lightning Beat Man, or "R" for his current Reverend Beat Man? I have his stuff scattered all over the place currently.

I used to do the number bands by letter, but I now find it easier to put them in front in numerical order, but there are a few that still throw a curve like 999 who on some releases go by Nine Nine Nine on the sleeve, but almost always 999 on the label. For now I still have them in "N".

The Stooges are another. You have Stooges, Iggy & the Stooges, Iggy Pop. I have any variation of Stooges filed under "S" and Iggy Pop under "I", not P as just saying Iggy is all it takes to know who you are talking about. But I do put artists like Johnny Thunders under "T".

Comps/ Various Artists / Soundtracks/ and any splits with three or more bands I do as Kopper does and file them by title after the "Z"'s.

Now here are my questions:
1. I'm an English speaker so I end up putting all the bands with Los, Las, and Die by those words ("L" & "D") though I know that is nothing more than "the". What do the rest of you do?
2. Split realeases, what to do?!? I generally put them under the band I view as being more significant (or that I just like better), but it makes it hard to remember what's on those other sides when I'm perusing a particular band whose split is filed under the other artists name.
3. My last question is what to do with someone like Beat-Man? Under "B" for Beat Man or under "L" when he's Lightning Beat Man, or "R" for his current Reverend Beat Man? I have his stuff scattered all over the place currently.

Compilations just go in a separate section after Z. This is exactly how I've seen them filed in record stores, too (which is where I learned all this). The only thing I do differently from how we did it at the record store is in regard to number bands, as I mentioned above. High Lord Mardy Pune said:

I've got a very convoluted system for my records. I used to use a purely alphabetical system to file em' but I still couldn't find what I was after or I would just start at the beginning when I wanted to listen to something and then not get very far into the collection.
So now I use a system based on band names, genre, label and then that's all filed using an alphabetical system. It sounds mad but it really works for me. I can remember where everything is and find anything in a couple of seconds. And to make sure I can find things when I want I use dividers to break up the collection. I always ignore 'The' or 'Thee' at the start band names and use the next word otherwise the 'T' section would be too big. I put all the bands that have numbers for names under 'Z' cause there's bugger all in there anyway. For instance; I collect musicals, you name it I've got it sometimes 3 or 4 copies of it! So instead of having them spread all through the collection I file them all under a divider named 'Musicals' which is filed in the 'M' section. So if someone comes around and wants to listen to say 7 brides for 7 brothers I can tell to look in a very specific place and then I get to abuse them when they put it back in the wrong place. And a question: where do people file compilations? under 'C' for compilations or under 'V' for various or just under the name of the compilation.

Jamie said:

Hey would that be the AC-4tv? Man, that's a tempting little amp. It looks perfect for that early Kinks sound. I've heard it's kind of dark. What do you guys think?

Howdy folks,

I don't know. Did that sound like the Got MIlk ad? I tried.