Johnny , Well , there's a big difference between the two . Some songs , I also don't HATE , but , don't know why they're manna from Heaven to so many other people whose tastes , by and large , I trust. It IS to easy to take pot - shots at Meat Loaf , tho' I was amazed that I never heard him on the radio during his commercial prime....I can name maybe , MAYBE four songs of his. Apart from the fact that Christopher Lee introduced him on SNL (And that he actually did a pretty cookin' "Let It Rock" with about 10 Guitar players , one who appeared to be Brian James (?), on another episode of the same show.) , and ,of course the Rocky Overrated Picture Show, and his one or two hits (Did they even break teh top 50? Honest , I was there , but , I only ever heard him on TV, AND THAT MOVIE , and on OverraTed Nugent's "Free For All " album , I was washed by the blood of the lamb , in that I've scardely even HEARD Meat Loaf.
 
Johnny Lurg said:

I don't actually HATE any of those songs either, I just was pointing out several garage rock standards which I believe are overrated, especially compared to the rest of those bands' output. I was trying to avoid easy targets like Meat Loaf and be brave enough to focus exclusively on garage.

John Battles said:

 OK , I could go , ????????? , but , you've got a right to your opinion. I'm not a huge fan of "Sometimes You Just Can't Win" , but I don't hate it....same is true of "Love is All Around" , only because The Troggs had so many songs that are better than the two they're largely associated with.
Johnny Lurg said:

1) Mouse - A Public Execution

2) The Barbarians - Are You a Boy or Are You a Girl?

3) Positively 13 O'Clock - Psychotic Reaction

4) The Pretty Things - Rosalyn

5) Paul Revere & the Raiders - Kicks

6) The Strangeloves - I Want Candy

7) The Troggs - Love is All Around

8) The 13th Floor Elevators - Baby Blue

9) The Sonics - Boss Hoss

10) Mouse & the Traps - Sometimes You Just Can't Win

I don't actually HATE any of those songs either, I just was pointing out several garage rock standards which I believe are overrated, especially compared to the rest of those bands' output. I was trying to avoid easy targets like Meat Loaf and be brave enough to focus exclusively on garage.

John Battles said:

 OK , I could go , ????????? , but , you've got a right to your opinion. I'm not a huge fan of "Sometimes You Just Can't Win" , but I don't hate it....same is true of "Love is All Around" , only because The Troggs had so many songs that are better than the two they're largely associated with.
Johnny Lurg said:

1) Mouse - A Public Execution

2) The Barbarians - Are You a Boy or Are You a Girl?

3) Positively 13 O'Clock - Psychotic Reaction

4) The Pretty Things - Rosalyn

5) Paul Revere & the Raiders - Kicks

6) The Strangeloves - I Want Candy

7) The Troggs - Love is All Around

8) The 13th Floor Elevators - Baby Blue

9) The Sonics - Boss Hoss

10) Mouse & the Traps - Sometimes You Just Can't Win

The last of the series will be the A's and B's set, with as many of the rarities that can be jammed onto a 2-CD set. I don't believe it is set in stone yet, but there has to be to bookend the series. There's so much great stuff yet to be released like the mono take of Mr Farmer Marshmallow Overcoat mentioned.

I'M NOT AWARE OF AN A's and B's set , beyond Jymn's mention , just now, but , the well's not dry , yet  , and we're being told more material is on the way.....Surely , the 45 version of "Up in Her Room" is cut severely? Maybe they think that would work well on a single , but not a CD. Maybe not......Sky Saxon claimed , I think it was when Bev Paterson interviewed him , that the original recorded "Out Of The Question" was over 10 minutes.  If only.

I did order the 45 -- $25 including postage from the UK!?!? But as a Seeds nut I gotta have it.

BTW, I pulled out my original Seeds "Mr Farmer/Up In Her Room" 45 -- these are two alt mono takes/mixes not on LP -- and I was disappointed to see that neither are on the current Seeds re-issue CDs...

Is there a plan for a Seeds "As & Bs" release that they are being saved for?

I'll have to but them all over again, lol?  

I like and respect Alec Palao a lot but these vinyl-only gems are pissing me off. ;) I hope he puts these on the "A & B's" release.

Really? You didn't like "Get Over You" from the first Undertones album, or "She Cracked" from the first Modern Lovers album?

Have to join the ranks on what MikeL mentioned above in regards to the Undertones.  I just listened to that over the weekend and said the same as the thread title.  But when we get to that level there are tons of bands without that big hit that I might only say there is one song on that album.  I might join Mike with Modern Lovers album as well; other than roadrunner I don't find myself listening to songs off that debut album.

Vertebrats might come close to this category with "Left in the Dark" but I listened to that one over the weekend as well and found a few tracks on there I listened to on replay.

I never gave the last NY Dolls the time of day and listened to the album only one time.  

I hate to say it but maybe anything put out by Paul Weller in the last 15yrs.  Perhaps hard to find one really good song on any of that.  

hate just repeating all the above so I will throw one out - desparately needed to get the Hentchmen "Three Times Infinity" after hearing "April" on the radio. never listened to that album again.

Yeah, I was really disappointed with that one too.

John Battles said:

THE NEW YORK Dolls' "Because I said So " had two good songs. iT'S TOO BAD , BECAUSE THE FIRST COMEBACK ALBUM WAS VERY GOOD , AND , THIS TIME THEY HAD TODD RUNDGREN TWIDDLIN' THE KNOBS.....

THE NEW YORK Dolls' "Because I said So " had two good songs. iT'S TOO BAD , BECAUSE THE FIRST COMEBACK ALBUM WAS VERY GOOD , AND , THIS TIME THEY HAD TODD RUNDGREN TWIDDLIN' THE KNOBS.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOFcHmaizPU

Check out this cool song about Detroit music from a groovy band.

Heavens to murgatroid , even!! Thee Headcoats. i didn't know what i liked about it, and nobody that i showed it to liked it so i thought it was a fluke.

"slave girl" 

"THE MILLION DOLLAR QUARTET" IS A RUMOR UNTO ITSELF , SAYING ALL FOUR OF THEM ACTUALLY PLAYED TOGETHER (LATER IN LIFE , JOHNNY CASH CLAIMED HE PLAYED A LITTLE RHYTHM GUITAR , BUT THERE'S NO PROOF OF THIS.) ,AND PLAYED ALLTHEIR HITS ( ABOUT THE ONLY HIT WOULD'VE BEEN ELVIS APING JACKIE WILSON'S VERSION OF "DON'T BE CRUEL"). NATURALLY , SAM PHILLIPS IS PORTRAYED AS A NORMAL PERSON , AS IN ALL THE OTHER FICTITIOUS BIOPICS. I WOULD HAVE RATHER SEEN A PLAY IN WHICH ACTOR/MUSICIANS JUST PLAYED THE SONGS AS THEY WERE RECORDED.

I was at that signing. Lux and Ivy , and Slim (I think Harry here , too) were very gracious. Those signings at Tower in Chicago did'nt always have a set closing time. Sometimes they HAD to keep it going longer than expected , because some artists drew so many people.  But,
I saw Lux and Ivy after the show the night before , and they gave me a rough idea of where their hotel was (HA HA) , and asked if they could walk to Tower from there. I said , it was about 10 blocks ,but ,knowing they were power - walkers , I figured they'd get there OK. They showed up late  , and I guess there was a time limit. There's someone like that in every crowd , with too much shit to sign. Some of their signings had a limit - I was allowed to get one item signed by Alice Cooper , but , Tom JONESwas signing anything you brought. Lux AND IVY WERE VERY COOL with fans , even ones that stepped over theline

Some frat boys snuck in backstage , the night before . Lux told THEM "You know you're not supposed to be here . But , I'll sign your stuff , and then , would you please go , quietly?".

i remember a cramps signing at tower in chicago where some dude and his girlfriend not only pissed off the band but the entire crowd by hogging half of the allotted time they had by bringing boxes of crap to get signed. the band was too nice to tell them to screw off and wouldn't let the store employees do it either. the offenders seemed oblivious to their idiocy.

You're gonna move your house? You got a few cents to throw in for pot? Maybe you should drink some Red Bulls (If only they worked!)
  instead.  Well , Keef admitted it was just a joke to piss off the press. But  , of all people, I would'nt put it past him.

Hey John & others...Excellent thread! I see I'm a bit late to the party. Woohoo! (and just as we're set to pick up & move-house). Well, i spent the morning catching up to speed...I've gotta few cents to throw in the pot...

The way I heard it...is that he *snorted* (not smoked) his dad's ashes. I believe this story to be true. I mean, we're talking Keef, here! In the following interview, he says he did it, and I believe him - it doesn't seem like a 'put-on' or a lie. And really, it goes with Keith's philosophy, right?

http://youtu.be/nk1PceITYvM

John Battles said:

BTW , We forgot the greatest rumor in recent Rock'n'Roll history.....Keith Richard smoking his Dad's ashes. He even had the press believing it , momentarily.
 

i remember a cramps signing at tower in chicago where some dude and his girlfriend not only pissed off the band but the entire crowd by hogging half of the allotted time they had by bringing boxes of crap to get signed. the band was too nice to tell them to screw off and wouldn't let the store employees do it either. the offenders seemed oblivious to their idiocy.

retrection(?) - I'd HEARD that Larry Page , who's still alive , was Gay. I could have been thinking about Larry Parnes (Shillings , Pence.) , who was openly Gay.   I did'nt mean to suggest that Joe Meek was'nt mentally ill ,nor that he never killed anybody. He did. His Landlady , then himself. But , was he able to create innovative sounds without Phil Spector's gazillion dollar budget? Yes.

You have to remember that , while Dave Davies did confirm this story about Gacy , the movers and shakers in the British Rock scene were largely Gay men , not sick motherfuckers like Gacy , of course , but , people like Larry Page , Brian Epstein , Joe Meek , earlier on , and so forth.......The Davies Bros. must have known about Page , and others they came into direct contact with , but could maintain a strictly businesslike relationship with them , even if they were'nt always entirely businesslike , themselves.
 Dave probably had a lot of men hitting on him at the time. Ray implied that Dave was on the "Bordeline" , which , really , if that were true , it would have been his business.

I did talk to a guy , just before they executed Gacy,who said he knew one of his victims  , noting "That was just too close to home".
Psycho*Davy said:

Re; The Kinks in Champaign, IL with Gacy c.'64 (first tour, pre-US-banning)...I read about it from a fairly reputable source maybe about 8 years ago (perhaps it was Mojo referred to, below) (i'll try to find the Mojo piece, or if someone else has it, please post it)...

It's a freaky story, for sure! that I completely can see really happening. (I can imagine Gacy being attracted to the young Dave Davies, long hair - kinda pretty, young....YIKES!) Of course this was years before his killing spree & so it didn't blow their minds until many years later when JWG was caught.

In addition, from what I read: JWG might have helped organize the show which was in a gymnasium of a school. (U of I?) and afterwards, he came up to the boys (Kinks) and asked if he could help transport them to their motel. So they did and Gacy talked them into having a few drinks at his apartment. They soon realized (at the apt), after being "plied with drinks" that Gacy was clearly infatuated with the young, Dave...and so they bailed. Creepy!

Btw, John Battles & I grew up really quite near Gacy's neighborhood. I think where I grew up was 6 or 7 miles away. John & I didn't know each other until much later, but I know he was from the same area.

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http://tiptopoftheworld.blogspot.com/2009/06/thats-kink-y.html?zx=b...

"I ran into my ex-father-in-law at the gas station this morning. When I was married to his daughter we shared a love of motorcycles, classic horror movies and rock n roll records. He's a very cool guy and we are still friends, though we don't get to spend much time together as we used to. 

In the mid 60s when he was a young man starting his career as a news photographer he got an assignment to film the Kinks on their first American tour as they swung through his home state of Illinois. He still has an unseen reel of the Kinks performing live in (I think) Champaign, IL. I've asked him about it a couple times. He always describes Ray and Dave Davies as complete asses; two English pricks who were always (fist) fighting with each other and generally making everyone else miserable.

A couple summers ago I read a great piece in MOJO about that very tour. As it turned out, the promotor for central Illinois was none other than John Wayne Gacy, the infamous pederast and serial killer. It seems Mr. Gacy took a very unnatural liking to young Dave Davies and wasnt shy about telling him so.

I asked my father-in-law if he remembered Gacy. His initial reply was no, not specifically. But he did remember a very odd, greasy American man who was attached to the band and seemed to always be on right on their heels. That's not all he wanted to be on I'd reckon. I lent him the copy of MOJO. After reading the article it all came back to him and he confirmed the whole story. Crazy stuff, I thought him just meeting the Kinks was amazing by itself!"

Dig it. Refer to the only video on my page for demonstration of lo-fi recording circa 1988. Sounding more '67-'68.

 
Alison said:

tha' Hell?  "Garage Music" by definition is LO-FI!  It literally refers to kids playing music in their G A R A G E S!  You can hardly get more lo-fi than that! Its the whole spirit of the genre! Sheesh...lame-os up in this mug...

yep

Alison said:

tha' Hell?  "Garage Music" by definition is LO-FI!  It literally refers to kids playing music in their G A R A G E S!  You can hardly get more lo-fi than that! Its the whole spirit of the genre! Sheesh...lame-os up in this mug...

tha' Hell?  "Garage Music" by definition is LO-FI!  It literally refers to kids playing music in their G A R A G E S!  You can hardly get more lo-fi than that! Its the whole spirit of the genre! Sheesh...lame-os up in this mug...

i posted this to my Facebook page.

rocking!  I like.

any way to see some of those docs on the Akron scene?