You're basically saying that anything could have existed without something else but you're not making any of the connections. You start with the caveman but you don't mention HOW we get to Texas psyche from there. How can you take away Gospel (which eventually leads to blues, jazz, and soul) from what alot of Southern Americans based alot of their music on to start with? If they only went by the church music that was brought over from Europe, psyche in Texas would sound more like Procul Harum. You mention the backbone ("if someone wasn't beating a stick first, someone else would have done it eventually") but you don't the mention the meat that eventually surrounds it.
Certainly, the Beatles would not exist without Elvis, Buddy Holly, Carl Perkins, and Little Richard. But none of those original rock and rollers would exist either if not for Gospel. Rock and Roll would exist if Elvis had solely based his repertoir on Dean Martin and Mario Lanza records, instead of Big Boy Crudup and Wynonie Harris, who again, wouldn't exist if Gospel didn't exist? You call bullshit on all this but you're not backing up your own claims.
RJFait said:
Perhaps you've been misreading it all along. Your "That's your logic not Rockin' Rod's" is so incorrect. I've been saying the exact opposite the whole time and Rod admitted that he believes there would not have been Texas psych (the best kind) without gospel. I think that's nonsense. If the first person to beat out a rhythm with a stick hadn't done it, someone else would have. Period! And to say the Beatles were the first to do any genre is also nonsense. They were just one of the first to achieve commercial success at it.
Time For Tiffin said:Don't back out on my account man.
Surely discission/debate/banter are what it's all about,ain't it?
I have read the thread,infact i was the first to reply to it.I simply don't agree with ya statements.
To know what The Beatles changed ya have to know what dross the vast majority of English kids were listenin' too before em......Cliff Richard,Billy Fury,Joe Brown and worse.
Record companies had artists not bands.EMI took a chance and it paid off.The Beatles went huge over here and the kids went bonkers.Every other company went lookin' for their own Beatles on the back of that success.Even Decca took on another guitar band after statin' "guitar bands had had their day"....The Rolling Stones.
Love em or hate em,take away The Beatles and ya take away most of the other bands from the era.
Take away The Beatles success in the US and ya take away The British Invasion that followed.
Take away The Beatles and ya take away the most excitin' time in pop when every 15 year old lad wanted to pick up a guitar and play in a band.
It would have been a very lonely path for Cliff Richard and Billy Fury to walk down from 63 to mid sixties psych (and i'm not sure they'd have made it) without The Stones,Kinks,Animals,Yardbirds etc.And they wouldn't have been anywhere if The Beatles hadn't done it first.
The Beatles changes EVERYTHING.
own Beatles
RJFait said:
Alright, I'm going to have to back out of this now because people are just saying stupid shit that absolutely no basis in reality. If you're not going to bother reading a thread, you really shouldn't comment on it.
Time For Tiffin said:EH?
That's your logic not Rockin' Rod's.
They were also influenced by Buddy Holly.If he stated he was influenced by his grandad would that mean by "your logic" The Beatles were influenced by Buddy Hollys grandad!!!
DOG DIRT!!!
RJFait said:Absolutey. Everybody said they were influenced by The Beatles (they were completey inundated with them, how could they not be). They all (including The Beatles) said Elvis influenced them. Elvis claimed gospel as his biggest influence. So by Rockin' Rod's logic, garage and/or psych music never could have happened without... gospel? (bullshit sneeze) There were enough influences bouncing all around that by removing any one of them, (even the damned Beatles) the end product would have no discernible difference. But if you took away all the numerous influence on any one band (including the damned Beatles) that one band would be very different.
Don said:
But isn't it true that all music cross pollinates? Who are my influences? Some I can name but most I cannot.
Stealing a song or an arrangement without giving credit is one thing, but the rest of this IMO is mostly sour grapes.
Don't want to have anyone influenced by your music? Play in your room with the door shut.-don
