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    • April 11, 2011 1:06 PM CDT
    • i agree to disagree and that's what makes discussions fun and/or interesting.  i believe Punk is an attitude.  When it comes to a lot of bands most folks associate with "Punk", I think of Malcolm McClaren.  Malcolm McClaren managed, marketed & promoted bands based on a variety of experiences he had; most of those having happened when he was stateside, managing the New York Dolls.  CBGB's hosted a wide variety of acts and much of their lifestyle and independent attitude is what Macolm incorporated while marketing his bands when he went back to England.  Many bands; for example the Stranglers, the Damned, etc...were also associated with the Punk movement for the exact same reasons.  In his day, Johnny Cash was as punk as they come, all due to his attitude.

    • April 11, 2011 1:05 PM CDT
    • Can a man who appears in adverts for butter or car insurance be considered punk? Or a person who appears on reality TV to further their celebrity career?

      Beatrice said:

      Punk is an attitude, not a clothing style and certainly not the way you scream or hate into a microphone.  Johnny Cash was punk, Gene Vincent was punk, Iggy, Mc5, R.A.M.O.N.E.S., etc...

      What made the Clash rise above the tribe and make them even more "punk" than others is the fact that they did what flowed for them.  Many times Joe Strummer would wait (well after a show was over), to be sure certain fans had a lift home and many times he'd even give them a ride.  He didn't care that many bands just wanted to tell their fans to eff off and go off and rage, he did what he wanted to do.  He honored his values and didn't care how he appeared to others.  That's PUNK!

    • April 11, 2011 12:44 PM CDT
    • Johnny Cash was Country. Gene Vincent was Rockabilly. I do think Punk is a genre of music... I just think The Clash transcended genre. And 'honouring your values' didn't make Joe Strummer a punk... It just made him a decent person. Although he wasn't always a decent person, he fell victim to his ego many a time by his own admission.

      Beatrice said:

      Punk is an attitude, not a clothing style and certainly not the way you scream or hate into a microphone.  Johnny Cash was punk, Gene Vincent was punk, Iggy, Mc5, R.A.M.O.N.E.S., etc...

      What made the Clash rise above the tribe and make them even more "punk" than others is the fact that they did what flowed for them.  Many times Joe Strummer would wait (well after a show was over), to be sure certain fans had a lift home and many times he'd even give them a ride.  He didn't care that many bands just wanted to tell their fans to eff off and go off and rage, he did what he wanted to do.  He honored his values and didn't care how he appeared to others.  That's PUNK!

    • April 11, 2011 12:21 PM CDT
    • Punk is an attitude, not a clothing style and certainly not the way you scream or hate into a microphone.  Johnny Cash was punk, Gene Vincent was punk, Iggy, Mc5, R.A.M.O.N.E.S., etc...

      What made the Clash rise above the tribe and make them even more "punk" than others is the fact that they did what flowed for them.  Many times Joe Strummer would wait (well after a show was over), to be sure certain fans had a lift home and many times he'd even give them a ride.  He didn't care that many bands just wanted to tell their fans to eff off and go off and rage, he did what he wanted to do.  He honored his values and didn't care how he appeared to others.  That's PUNK!

    • April 11, 2011 10:50 AM CDT
    • Great point.  the media has to make "labels" like "garage"so they can write their stories.  So labels are just made up, they dont exist.  but maybe its ok to say "Oh this is a garage rock band." so you can describe it to your friend or whatever.  I love talkin bout this sh***t lol 

      Old School Hero said:

      Good Point. And now to open up a whole new can of worms...This also makes me wonder...are you still a Garage Band if you enter the mainstream?

      Mike Humsgreen said:

      What do you think of the whole 'sell out' thing, when a band gets too big for DIY to still be possible? For me Clash, the Ramones, Sex Pistols were all punk but at some point whatever 'punk' was has gotten badly lost that you can now (for years) buy Tshirts with these bands on at Top Man.


    • April 11, 2011 10:41 AM CDT
    • Oh wow sorry for the late reply but good question. I think as long as you own what you do it is still diy. You can be big and still own everything. Worldwide with the internet you can create a fanbase, share your music free peer to peer and stuff. Book a tour using email. If you need legal issues, get your own lawyer or whatever. I think you can be successful and still diy.

      Mike Humsgreen said:

      What do you think of the whole 'sell out' thing, when a band gets too big for DIY to still be possible? For me Clash, the Ramones, Sex Pistols were all punk but at some point whatever 'punk' was has gotten badly lost that you can now (for years) buy Tshirts with these bands on at Top Man.


      John Paul Jackson said:

      I think of punk more as a DIY attitude, not a musical style.  And there's nothing wrong with ELO and Queen!

    • April 11, 2011 12:03 PM CDT
    • Actually, it IS on Napster. When I searched for it with "It Came From the Hideout" it didn't show up. Then I searched for "The Cynics" and looked up up their songs, and there was "I Need More" with a link to the Hideout comp. I found it on Amazon and iTunes, but I don't think it's on eMusic yet.

      kopper said:

      Yeah, it won't be showing up on Napster yet. I only submitted it last Friday. Most of these online stores take weeks for this stuff to show up in their catalogs. But iTunes is pretty quick... here's the iTunes link:


      http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/it-came-from-hideout-the-best/id43...

       

      swt said:

      Interesting fact: I looked this up on Napster (which I never use), and under "Other members Like," there was:

      1) Songs for Japan (featuring songs by Lady Gaga, Madonna, Katy Perry and Justin Timberlake)
      2) Puppy Holidays by The Jingle Dogs
      3) Thoroughly Modern Millie (Original Broadway Cast)

      Sounds about right.

    • April 11, 2011 11:55 AM CDT
    • Yeah, it won't be showing up on Napster yet. I only submitted it last Friday. Most of these online stores take weeks for this stuff to show up in their catalogs. But iTunes is pretty quick... here's the iTunes link:


      http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/it-came-from-hideout-the-best/id43...

       

      swt said:

      Interesting fact: I looked this up on Napster (which I never use), and under "Other members Like," there was:

      1) Songs for Japan (featuring songs by Lady Gaga, Madonna, Katy Perry and Justin Timberlake)
      2) Puppy Holidays by The Jingle Dogs
      3) Thoroughly Modern Millie (Original Broadway Cast)

      Sounds about right.

    • April 11, 2011 11:44 AM CDT
    • Listening right now. I'm really glad you did this Kopper! This is amazing.

    • April 11, 2011 11:39 AM CDT
    • Hiya, I've downloaded that, will have a listen tomorrow (Ta very much, incidentally). D.

    • April 11, 2011 11:09 AM CDT
    • Interesting fact: I looked this up on Napster (which I never use), and under "Other members Like," there was:

      1) Songs for Japan (featuring songs by Lady Gaga, Madonna, Katy Perry and Justin Timberlake)
      2) Puppy Holidays by The Jingle Dogs
      3) Thoroughly Modern Millie (Original Broadway Cast)

      Sounds about right.

    • April 11, 2011 10:08 AM CDT
    • DONE!!!

      sent to kopper.

      IDON MINE said:

      Yeah man! PLUS: "...working on the cover of volume four" - Can't wait for that.

      Esgar acelerado said:
      already available on emusic and i tunes?...

      want to buy it! I now it's free but want to support the cause! :)

    • April 11, 2011 9:59 AM CDT
    • This is brilliant. Kopper you are a genius for pulling this one off and when someone makes a sequal to We Never Learn there would need to be a chapter on these comps alone! Well done to everyone else that contributed.

    • April 11, 2011 9:49 AM CDT
    • SOUNDS GREAT!!!

       

      you guys make my life easier... next time as DJ i'll just shuffle the record and go drink some beers! :D

    • April 11, 2011 9:43 AM CDT
    • Yeah man! PLUS: "...working on the cover of volume four" - Can't wait for that.

      Esgar acelerado said:

      already available on emusic and i tunes?...

      want to buy it! I now it's free but want to support the cause! :)

    • April 11, 2011 9:40 AM CDT
    • already available on emusic and i tunes?...

      want to buy it! I now it's free but want to support the cause! :)

    • April 11, 2011 9:38 AM CDT
    • HELL YEAH BROTHER!

      kopper said:

      Links are live NOW! Go get it, kids.

      From the menu at the top, go to More > Hideout Comps

    • April 11, 2011 9:36 AM CDT
    • listening to it, while finishing the artwork for volume 4.
      life is good!!!

      thanks, kopper!

      (link to the Mac iTunes (Apple Lossless) files not working...)

    • April 11, 2011 9:13 AM CDT
    • I just downloaded my copy.  I'll let you know what I think of it.

      kopper said:

      Links are live NOW! Go get it, kids.

      From the menu at the top, go to More > Hideout Comps

    • April 11, 2011 9:05 AM CDT
    • Links are live NOW! Go get it, kids.

      From the menu at the top, go to More > Hideout Comps

    • April 11, 2011 2:39 AM CDT
    • HEY!!!

      It's TODAY!!!

       

       

      where can we download it?!?

       

       

       

    • April 10, 2011 2:21 PM CDT
    • The COUNTDOWNs running everybody! Not long now!

    • April 11, 2011 7:26 AM CDT
    • Here is the wikipedia version of what the TAMI show was...

       

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.A.M.I._Show

      ELECTROMAGS said:

      I saw them play Ann Arbor about a year and a half ago. They are originally from near where I live here in Michigan, so I think it was just a one-off show.  They played an intimate little club downtown that holds about 80 people comfortably. 

      They rocked and sounded good. ? still can pull it off for being an old-timer now.

      I am not familiar with the TAMI Show. What is that?

    • April 10, 2011 8:57 PM CDT
    • I saw them play Ann Arbor about a year and a half ago. They are originally from near where I live here in Michigan, so I think it was just a one-off show.  They played an intimate little club downtown that holds about 80 people comfortably. 

      They rocked and sounded good. ? still can pull it off for being an old-timer now.

      I am not familiar with the TAMI Show. What is that?

    • April 10, 2011 11:43 AM CDT

    • * Louie Bluie Film Soundtrack by Howard Armstrong. About 30 years ago, my pal Alec turned me on to a fun little LP called Martin, Bogan & Armstrong. It was an old African-American string band recorded in the early '70s.

      It wasn't "blues," there there were some bluesy tunes there. It wasn't "jug band." These guys were playing mainly pop and jazz tunes of bygone eras. The players were old guys but all excellent musician -- and they were full of Hell. They'd been playing together in various combinations since the '30s under names such as The Tennessee Chocolate Drops and The Four Keys.

      For instance, they start out with a straight version of the  uptight WASPy frat song "Sweetheart of Sigma Chi" (which before, I'd only heard performed by The Lettermen!) before they slip into a parody that was popular in the '20s ("She's the sweetheart of six other guys.") But my favorite MB&A song was "Do You Call That Buddy," which has a line that stuck with me for years: "If I had a million doughnuts, durn his soul, I wouldn't even give him a doughnut hole."

      Just a few years ago I found Martin, Bogan & Armstrong on CD, as part of a twofer with a subsequent album That Old Gang of Mine. But even more recently I discovered a documentary called Louie Bluie made in the mid '80s directed by Terry Zwigoff, who is more famous for Crumb. The title character of Louie turns out to be fiddler/mandolinist Howard Armstrong. Also featured here is guitarist, singer Ted Bogan -- who catches continual unmerciful ribbing from Armstrong throughout the film.

      The film tells the story of Armstrong (who got the nickname of "Louie Bluie" from a tipsy mortician's daughter) To quote Roger Ebert, "The movie is loose and disjointed, and makes little effort to be a documentary about anything. Mostly, it just follows Armstrong around as he plays music with Bogan, visits his Tennessee childhood home, and philosophizes on music, love and life." And I love it.

      This soundtrack album on Arhoolie captures some of the greatest moments of the film, as well as some that didn't make the final cut. There's a delightfully filthy version of "Darktown Strutter's Ball." There's blues, gospel and jazz tunes. Also, a German waltz and a Polish tune. Yes, Armstrong, as he explains in the movie, was fluent in several languages, incljuding Italian and a little Chinese. This, he said, helped him get gigs when he moved to Chicago.

      Included on this album are some old songs originally released on 78rmp records, including some with Yank Rachell, who appears in the movie. A couple of these feature Sleepy John Estes on vocals.

      Armstrong died in 2003 at the age of 94.

      * Unentitled by Slim Cessna's Auto Club. This band often is billed as a "country gothic" band. Led by Cessna, who shares vocal duties with sidekick Jay Munly, the Auto Club often takes the guise as sinners in the hands of an angry God.

      But on this album, which some critics are saying is the group's most accessible, so many songs are so upbeat and happy sounding, I really don't think the "gothic" label does them justice.

      True, they've that 16 Horsepower banjo apocalypse vibe going full force on the first song, "Three Bloodhounds Two Shepherds One Fila Brasileiro" a harrowing tale that deals with bloodhounds being set loose on some hapless target, perhaps an escaped prisoner.

      However, the very next song takes off with an eye-opening, frantic, almost '90s ska-like beat. The music is fierce and thundering and not very "country." Then  the following song "Thy Will Done" gets back to the banjo with an almost raga-like melody and some otherworldly whistle instrument I've yet to identify. The only thing this one lacks is Tuvan throat singers.

      That old time religion is a major theme with the Auto Club. The 7-minute "Hallelujah Anyway" is a twisted tale of an arranged wedding. But even better is the closing song, "United Brethren," an emotional song of a preacher losing his congregation to another church -- just as his great-grandfather had experienced. It's not a problem most of us will ever face, but as Munly pleads, "Lord have mercy upon us ..." in his lonesome tenor with just an autoharp behind him, only the the most hard-hearted heathen would be unmoved.

      * The Swan Silvertones 1946-1951. And speaking of spiritual crisis, the song "A Mother's Cry" on this album starts out with "Oh this world is in confusion .." -- and the listener isn't confused at all. It's the story of a mother whose son is fighting overseas. I would guess Korea.

      Yes, those post WWII years covered by this album were confusing times indeed and, probably not coincidentally, great years for Black gospel music as well.

      Take  "Jesus is God's Atomic Bomb," another tune in this collection. The Silvertones sing, "Oh have you heard about the blast in Japan/How it killed so many people and scorched the land." But it gets scarier. "Oh it can kill your natural body, but the Lord can kill your soul ...'

      Yikes! World in confusion indeed.

      The Swan Silvertones was an a capella group led by the great Claude Jeter, a former coal miner from Kentucky who wrote many of the songs here, including the ones I mentioned. This album captured their years at King Records. They weren't as raw sounding as The Five Blind Boys of Mississippi. They didn't have the irresistible personality of Sister Rosetta Tharpe or the sweet grace of Mahalia Jackson. But the Silvertones were solid and credible. And even now, a respite for confusing times.

      * The tracks I didn't get last month from Hannibalism! by The Mighty Hannibal. This is not your average obscure lost '60s soul-shouter compilation. This album contains the greatest anti-war song of the Vietnam era that you've never heard. Written and recorded in 1966, "Hymn #5" is a first-person tale of a scared soldier. It's a minor-key moan that sounds like one of the spookiest minor-key gospel songs you can imagine.

      "I'm waaaaayyyy over here, crawling' in these trench holes, covered with blood. But one thing that I know, (chorus comes in) There's no tomorrow, there's no tomorrow ..."


      There's a sequel that came four years later -- following a stint in prison by Hannibal  for tax evasion -- another soldier's-eye-view of the war. It's good, but not a fraction as jolting as "Hymn #5."

      I love Hannibal's early dance '60s tunes like "Jerkin' the Dog" (Settle down, Beavis!) and "Fishin' Pole." But I find his religious cautionary tales extremely fascinating. The moral of "The Truth Shall Make You Free" basically is that Jesus can help you kick heroin. Hardly original, but Hannibal sings with wild conviction. He was an addict for some years in the '60s. "There's nothin' I wouldn't do when I needed a fix/ I met the mother of my children goin', turning tricks," Hannibal testifies. And  its dark psychedelic/Blaxplotation guitar touches and the "Pappa Was a Rollin' Stone" bass line make you wonder why the song and the singer didn't become better known.

      Even wilder is the final song, "Party Life." What can you say about a song that starts out "There was a pimp by my house the other day ..." Next thing you know, said pimp has taken the singer's daughter and she ends up in a hospital in Kentucky in such bad mental condition she doesn't even recognize her own dad. Seriously, people, keep those pimps away from your home!