Thanx everyone for all the suggestions.

Jessy Bulbo's  - 'Telememe'.

Jimi by Butthole Surfers? I love how it goes completely different almost pastoral near the end...

Or maybe I'm just thinking its goth rock because I listened to it at the same time I was listening to loads of goth :)

Heehee...and was listening to Rudimentary Peni, had totally forgotten about them gonna go youtube them now...

But my fave goth-y song is "Jack on Fire" by Gun Club

Tune in, we play lots of those bands,

also on I-Tunes radio under Alternative Rock

Babylon Street Radio

Unfortunately, very few trivia nights are geared to the stuff we all like.  I mean, if someone asked questions like, "What record did April March want in return for a super-rare Shitbirds' recording," well, that'd be the first Del Monas record.  But something tells me that's not gonna be on Jeopardy.

I looked on my current hard drive...Nothing there.  I'll have to check a few of my old computers next.  I know one of them had a folder marked "61", meaning the next ish of the mag.  I should also see if I can find the No Place Fast stuff.

kopper said:

I'm just amazed you can remember all of these details, not only of the old shows and festivals but even of your writings. You have quite the memory. I bet you're good on trivia nights. :)

I for one am looking forward to whatever you end up finding and posting... hell, even if you can't find ALL of it, just post what you can find. This is a potential treasure trove of info detailing "the golden age" of the garage-rock revival scene.

I'm just amazed you can remember all of these details, not only of the old shows and festivals but even of your writings. You have quite the memory. I bet you're good on trivia nights. :)

I for one am looking forward to whatever you end up finding and posting... hell, even if you can't find ALL of it, just post what you can find. This is a potential treasure trove of info detailing "the golden age" of the garage-rock revival scene.

Hey! Thanks!!......glad you liked it......!!

trashman said:

Not tacky at all - posting that is a reason a site like this exists.  Thanks for sharing because I really like it.  Reminds me of something I would hear at 3am on some underground radio station with no talking DJ so the arist would never be revealed.  Then I would spend obsessive months trying to find it again.  Love the guitar work for that cover.  I will pass this along.

The Blue Giant Zeta Puppies said:

Good call on the Remains and The Watchband!,

Errrr......tacky thing to do I know, to put your own cover into a thread like this....but here's our Maggies Farm cover......

Fuzzface 'Mighty Quinn'

it's proper twisted

Not tacky at all - posting that is a reason a site like this exists.  Thanks for sharing because I really like it.  Reminds me of something I would hear at 3am on some underground radio station with no talking DJ so the arist would never be revealed.  Then I would spend obsessive months trying to find it again.  Love the guitar work for that cover.  I will pass this along.

The Blue Giant Zeta Puppies said:

Good call on the Remains and The Watchband!,

Errrr......tacky thing to do I know, to put your own cover into a thread like this....but here's our Maggies Farm cover......

Dan Melchior's Broke Revue covers "From A Buick 6" on the "Andover, Duluth, London" EP.

Age - 49.

New stuff - definitely a no-no. Give the bands a chance to sell some first ferchrissakes! If you have a blog and think you are doing this to help promote a band, maybe you should consider giving a link to their myspace or facebook instead. Most bands have enough full length songs on there to make a judgement call on whether their album is worth buying.

Downloading for a "taste" - nice theory and I'm sure some people do that and then go out and buy, but my gut feeling is that percentage is low. If blog owners really want that to happen, then why supply the mp3s in quality that's good enough to burn to CD? If the mp3s were provided in, say, 64kbps quality, people could still hear the album but wouldn't be  tempted to burn and keep it 'cause the quality would be poor. 

Really old music - jazz from the 30s for instance, stuff that would be out of copyright anyway I don't have so much of a problem with.

I go for option 1 regarding music that's almost impossible to get. It is and can not be the intention of music that such goes unheard to the masses. I discovered a lot of things this way!

As for new releases, I opt for the 'Other' option, that is with permission of the artist/label or it's representative. Especially for not so established bands this is a great way to showcase their music, which will pay itself of by more people attending a gig and buying your merch there. A lot of bands already offer releases to blogs because they know they will reach their audience this way.

There's a few things to consider anyway.

everyone has a budget, you just can't buy whatever you like, so back in the days this usually meant passing on some releases (and never know if you missed out on something cool, or find out years later). Not having the funds doesn't mean you can just go out and get it, but even then we had our ways and this hasn't changed, it just became digital. This is something you can never change as long as there is a demand and a price that doesn't match.

But at least now you can actually make a better informed decision by hearing the album (instead of a few songs on myspace or whatever) before you buy it. Okay it maybe tempting to save it to your drive but in my opinion those are mostly the albums that are okay to listen to for a short time but not worth buying, so eventually you'll end up deleting them anyway. I guess no harm done since there was never any intention to actually own such an album.

For promotional purposes I think services like Soundcloud are actually a better idea to showcase a release and that kind of promotion will help a record sell better without it being available for download (geeks excluded, they always know how to download things noone else can ;-)

I, for one, prefer buying vinyl and I also by any chance from the band itself at a concert. Still I'm downloading the same album so it saves me a lot of effort transfering it because I also want to listen to it when I travel or driving my car. Don't think that's a problem since I already bought it :-) Also more and more vinyl releases come with a download code which is a good thing to keep vinyl releases up and going!

I don't think there will be an end to this discussion, you can't prevent downloads or anything else for that matter by having laws and bountyhunters chasing the bad guys. It's an issue of economics and the best way to deal with it is that the illusion of value-for-money is met because yes you will want to have the real deal with all its artwork if it's worthy to you and in a competative price!

I'm 38 if it helps your survey :-)

Sorry if this has come up before and I missed it, but I'm curious about your opinions on MP3 blogs. This world is pretty new to me, and I am fascinated by what I have seen.

I have found some incredibly rare and/or seriously out of print music that only heavy-duty collectors would probably ever get to hear. I really appreciate being able to enjoy this kind of stuff myself, and on a couple of occasions I went out of my way to track down and buy physical copies of what I heard through eBay or GEMM.



However, I've also seen MP3 blogs that offer up current, easily accessible releases. If you can find the vinyl or CD version of a record without any trouble, then the only reason I can see for downloading it from a site like this is because you want to hear it but don't want to pay for it.

So what do you folks think? Is this kind of thing:


(1) Sometimes OK, as long as the music is out of print or otherwise unavailable to the masses (old 7"s, live bootlegs, etc.)?


(2) Never OK, since whatever it may be, you didn't pay for it?


(3) Always OK, since "music wants to be free" and you're rebelling against The System or something?


(4) Other…?



I'm also curious about how attitudes may differ among generations. If you respond, would you mind giving your approximate age? For the record, I'm 41 and fall into the first group. Thanks!

Toot baby toot !!!

I guess Mr A. needs to be a bit tooted in order to help him regognize a girl from a boy !!!
Gringo Starr said:

YOU GOT GOOD TASTE said:

PS I too want to hear some GIRL bands or at least GIRL singers, this would stretch the genre even more. C'mon where you all Hidin' ?

My next show is part 2 of girls that rock the garage, any girl bands want to send me some tunes to feature on the show?

I know I'm tooting my own horn here but check out The Jackets (who will be included on Best of the Hideout Vol. 4) featuring Jack Torera ( a girl!!) on lead vocals and guitar -

http://garagepunk.ning.com/profile/TheJackets

http://www.ebandagogo.com/The_Jackets/

Really enjoyed listening to Volume 1, had to laugh about the Jukebox Zeros number I was sure they were singing "City of brotherly love".

Hey Gringo Starr, I really enjoyed the Jackets recently at Mascotte in Zurich cool band :)

YOU GOT GOOD TASTE said:

PS I too want to hear some GIRL bands or at least GIRL singers, this would stretch the genre even more. C'mon where you all Hidin' ?

My next show is part 2 of girls that rock the garage, any girl bands want to send me some tunes to feature on the show?

I know I'm tooting my own horn here but check out The Jackets (who will be included on Best of the Hideout Vol. 4) featuring Jack Torera ( a girl!!) on lead vocals and guitar -

http://garagepunk.ning.com/profile/TheJackets

Artwork by Greg Gutbezahl for Vol. 2 is here!

Click here to see the track list for Vol. 2: http://garagepunk.ning.com/group/grgpnkrecords/forum/topics/songs-t...

Hey, I sure do appreciate all of these tips that everyone is offering up. Used the reamp trick on many occasions to get a more biting attack and frequency response. Great for overdriving bass! Bass amp in tiled bathroom...good results. And the hallway trick/method works outstanding! Joey Ramone vocals show how great this method can work in the mix. Gotta build me one of these contact mics. Really like some of the growl sound clips produced from taping a contact mic to the neck. Super cool

I have some experience with getting nasty tones and the cheapest/easiest way is (if you're using a digital/computer DAW to record, such as Cubase, Garageband, or some other thing; remember, you can download a lot of similar programs for free off the web, such as Audacity and Reaper) to simply tweak the graphic EQ of the recorded signal so that can be turned into anything you want. Even if you record a clean or dry vocal track/signal, you can EQ it to sound like a telephone or almost anything super nasty. Another fix (if you're using something other than a laptop, like a portastudio or some other stand-alone device), get a cheap graphic equalizer (like a guitar pedal or something you'd use in your stereo hi-fi) and sweep that to make the vocal sound nasty. Otherwise, if you want to make a microphone that sounds nasty (for cheap), pull the mouthpiece mic out of an old telephone and wire that up to be your mic.

I really do like the other ideas mentioned above. I make my own piezoelectric transducer pickups, too. They are cheap and easy and you can attach them to anything that vibrates and you can amplify/record it. Put one of those on the back end of a can and record yourself singing into that.
I am just trying to think of ways to get this effect for low/no cost...

I love this thread, great discussion topic. I love the link to cranksturgeon.com, too. That will come in handy.

Ha, I love how these engineers frown on new ideas just to end up implementing them later. Once you've been taught what you can't do in the studio it's hard to break those rules.

I think these days mic pre-amps you are what you want to own. It sounds like The Hydeouts are already on the right track for a killer sound. But these days, since we aren't working often with analog tape, it's best to already give some warmth and compression in the recording process before it hits the hard disk recorder. Another trick I've done to fix weak vocals is to run a standard vocal signal back through an guitar amp and record that on a separate track. The mixing of the original and the amplified can really produce a punchy yet fucked up sound. Also another dirty trick if you don't have a good reverb unit you can send your voice through an amp you can set up a condenser mic set up to record on the other end your room or hallway. You can mix your original track with this room mic track to give some space to the vocal and get a little room feeling with some amplifier distortion. 

Rather interesting mic indeed. I dont have too much experience with contact mics or pressure microphones. But, I sure would like to experiment with this kind of approach for vocals, as well as other instruments. I like that you taped the mic to your neck! Rather inventive! Hey, I really appreciate your responses. I can only become more rounded in versatile in my personal recordings by sharing info, experiences, and feedback. And there is very little information discussed on the internet regarding recording distorted vocals. Most blogs related to sound recording will say "Do not do this!" Kinda funny that a couple of the studio engineers I worked with in the past that frowned upon the practices of singing through amps, actually a few years later, put out records with vocals through an amp. Rock n roll.

Yesterday I tried out a new method on recording trashy distorted vocals. Ran my Avantone tube mic into a Summit audio 2ba-221 preamp and then processed that signal into the line input of my universal audio la610 then out to my hard disk recorder. Lots of tube front end before digital recording! Very light breakup on vocal track---moderate gain on both preamps w/ a medium amount of compression on la610. Doubled the vocal tracks --and the results were pretty good. Had breakup without considerable noise variables and a distinct track that fits interestingly in the mix. Still lots of room for guitar....sometimes an overly distorted vocal track can get lost in guitar sounds or vice versa. Track separation is rather important for balance in your mix. Trying to find the fine line whereby vocals still have a natural quality, but have some breakup to unleash some energy. And really i am referring to lead vocals....Need em loud and not buried. Still love overly distorted trash on background vocals and scream tracks where volume is not a immediate concern.

I'm really starting to have very favorable opinions regarding the purchase of Avantone CV-12. Sounds good for lead vocals, backing vox, and room sound. Pretty cool mic under $500. Also use a AT 4033 condenser mic. Although the 4033 is ultra sensitive and, as a result can pickup very light sounds (ie lawnmower down street, birds chirping, paper ruffling). Can anyone recommend any other mics to check out?

Yeah, Petulant Child bought himself a Piazo pressure sensitive mic, and these things can be very cool. You'll have to do some major experimenting but there are plenty of cool sounds you can come up with. I've taped these mics to my neck while doing a vocal take and had incredible results. It's not a dynamic or condenser, it's pressure sensitive. So you can tape these mics to drums, guitar, a table, whatever... and even plug them into almost any type of amplifying unit, P.A., guitar amp. Using these in combination with other microphones can lead to incredible results.

Here is a link to a DIY report about Piazo microphone.

http://www.cranksturgeon.com/PIEZOCRANK.html

i went to a workshop today and learned how to turn a patch cord into a contact mic.  you get a 80 cent mic from radio shack and splice it on to the patch cord and tape it up.  I cant wait to use it to record!

BPC, 

The B chord is THEE chord-it bridges everything in a way that nothing else does. If I could play it and get myself somfin' somfin' then we'd have a good time, always!!!

I'm so happy you guys have an opinion on chords-do you think playing them up and down the neck changes the way we make music?

enz