RICK: Oh, stop being so blinking bourgousie! All property is theft, Vyvyan.

VYVYAN: All right, then. Where's your girlie purse?

...

VYVYAN: [takes Rick's coin purse, removes some money] Ha ha! Found it!

RICK: You put that back! That's my personal property!

NEIL: You just said all property is theft, Rick.

RICK: Well, yes, it is.

VYVYAN: Yeah, so I'm nicking it.

The screamin' Soul Preacher said:

Man, I feel like a thief now ! A sick thief !

Or, even worse, an old stinky hippie from another planet !!!

I must have spent too much time in space lately...I thought the coolest things were free (or at least cheap), loud and untamed...

the complete opposite to any of Jack W's merchandises...

Bibliodiscoteque said:

I'm torn on this argument and, as someone who does not support downloading free albums or pirating, I do say he has a point with the concept of wanting, as an artist to get paid. I believe that the artist should get every single penny they can for their work. The first thing an artist does is create (despite what you think of his talents). Once the art is over, the businessman needs to come out. 

 

If you are playing for fun and have a day job, I'm sure it is easy to sit back and suggest Art is Free and that anyone who wants to get money is evil. That is not the case for bands feeding themselves and paying for their houses on their income. There is no nobility in starving and if some people make more than others that is the sad nature of capitalism. 

 

Here is where I argee 100%  with DammitDave. Once the item goes to secondary market that bond between creator and consumer has ended. eBay is a false economy and items are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. If some dope wants to pay 500$ for vinyl, so be it. Most of us without the extra income will buy it in the other formats for cheap. The Metallica arguement doesn't fit here because Met. was sueing for people giving the music away for free and others for stealing it (yes, it is theft - despite how much they make) Just because they are rich does not entitle anyone to take from them. And before you ask, no I have never illegally downloaded an album or accepted a 'leaked' album. 

 

But I digress. This LP is a hard copy product. If the value goes up - it goes up. As long as someone is willing to pay 490$ more than it is worth, that is what is it worth. In a few years, perhaps it will drop. Doubtful. 

A brand new vinyl for $500 ? Do they add some hand made crackles for that price, just like they add stains and holes to these brand new out of price vintage jeans nowadays ?

Man, I feel like a thief now ! A sick thief !

Or, even worse, an old stinky hippie from another planet !!!

I must have spent too much time in space lately...I thought the coolest things were free (or at least cheap), loud and untamed...

the complete opposite to any of Jack W's merchandises...

Bibliodiscoteque said:

I'm torn on this argument and, as someone who does not support downloading free albums or pirating, I do say he has a point with the concept of wanting, as an artist to get paid. I believe that the artist should get every single penny they can for their work. The first thing an artist does is create (despite what you think of his talents). Once the art is over, the businessman needs to come out. 

 

If you are playing for fun and have a day job, I'm sure it is easy to sit back and suggest Art is Free and that anyone who wants to get money is evil. That is not the case for bands feeding themselves and paying for their houses on their income. There is no nobility in starving and if some people make more than others that is the sad nature of capitalism. 

 

Here is where I argee 100%  with DammitDave. Once the item goes to secondary market that bond between creator and consumer has ended. eBay is a false economy and items are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. If some dope wants to pay 500$ for vinyl, so be it. Most of us without the extra income will buy it in the other formats for cheap. The Metallica arguement doesn't fit here because Met. was sueing for people giving the music away for free and others for stealing it (yes, it is theft - despite how much they make) Just because they are rich does not entitle anyone to take from them. And before you ask, no I have never illegally downloaded an album or accepted a 'leaked' album. 

 

But I digress. This LP is a hard copy product. If the value goes up - it goes up. As long as someone is willing to pay 490$ more than it is worth, that is what is it worth. In a few years, perhaps it will drop. Doubtful. 

Speaking of Chucks (and getting way off-topic here), has anyone read this biography?

http://www.amazon.com/Chuck-Taylor-All-Star-Athletic/dp/0253346983

The screamin' Soul Preacher said:

Oh man, these are Chuck Taylors ! Shame on me ! I didn't even know that ! Just called these dirty smelly things Converse...That tells a lot about my street credibilty I guess !!! Level zero !

And yet, I used to wear some of those sloppy things in my early teens ! More shame on me ! Ethic credibility = zero ! :)

 

Of course, you wasn't even talking to me TeenFink and I didn't take it for myself. It has just spurted out of me ! Some kinda verbal ejaculation if you will !

Glad you took it the fun way coz there was, of course, nothing personal in this reply, just a few words about my own fucked up caveman experience !

Cheers and thanks again for this odorous pic !

 

TeenFink said:

funny, I wasn't even talking to you, but since you seem to be living in a cave, these are chuck taylors:

 

The screamin' Soul Preacher said:

Don't even know what Chuck Taylors are...No kidding ! 

I have seen The Misfits-Static Age on this thread a few times. I just have to point out that, despite being recorded back in this era, the album never even saw the light-of-day until the 1990's. Considering this fact, I find it hard to include this album as a definitive 1st era album.
Ted said:

Ramones- 1st album, Sex Pistols- Nevermind the Bollocks, Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers- L.A.M.F., Misfits- Static Age, Dead Boys- Young, Loud, and Snotty, The Damned- 1st album & Machine Gun Etiquitte...so many more that I can't think of right off the top of my head.

I'm good Pim, hope you're havin a nice spin of Gen X's best of...I've been blasting out such Dutch 60s punkers as Cuby+Blizzards' 'Sunshine Of Your Shadow' and the great Fun Of It's 'Silly Baby' and 'Drollery' 45s, yeah not quite in this '77 punk zone I know, but still amazing nonetheless!!! And we know just how punk Q65 were don't we? Talking of which have you got any copies of the English-translation version of the books yet? Can't wait to see that! Cheers Lenny

Pim Scheelings said:

Hey Lenny how are you? i got Gen X (best of) on vinyl here time to spin it once again.

Hey Lenny how are you? i got Gen X (best of) on vinyl here time to spin it once again.

Hey Pim, yeah I agree...I don't mean to pit them against each other...Yeah Your Gen, and Day By Day are great, as are ready Steady Go and Wild Youth...I'm glad you now diggin The Adverts, one of the very best, most non-agenda-bearing? punk rock groups from the day, in my very own humble opinion!!!

Joanie Lindstrom said:

Hey Pim, good to hear that you liked what you heard.  They just "speak to me" for some reason and were a little different than the rest of the bands back then.  I'll plug myself and our show (every Mon-Fri. from 10-noon Boston time, I'm on Thurs) if you want to hear new and old punk and general loud stuff, http://www.laterisersclub.org.

 

To Lenny, I almost think it's unfair if you start listing all the singles vs. full albums.  You'd hope that any band has 1-2 great songs in them.  But seeing Generation X in your list makes me think that that first LP was pretty fine and 'Your Generation' and 'Day by Day' are two of my faves.  And Slaughter's Cranked and Bootboys are two great tunes.

Pim Scheelings said:

Hey Joanie i'd never heard of the Adverts. listened to them on you tube and instandly liked it thanx for the tip!

And coincidentally, I am too and the Adverts are playing as we speak.  If you know some Dutch bands who fit the format, have them send us their music.  We do love the foreign punk rock.

Pim Scheelings said:

listening to an old show from dec 9 now cool!

listening to an old show from dec 9 now cool!

Joanie i'll see if i can tune in on thursday just have to check what time it is in Holland

Hey Pim, good to hear that you liked what you heard.  They just "speak to me" for some reason and were a little different than the rest of the bands back then.  I'll plug myself and our show (every Mon-Fri. from 10-noon Boston time, I'm on Thurs) if you want to hear new and old punk and general loud stuff, http://www.laterisersclub.org.

To Lenny, I almost think it's unfair if you start listing all the singles vs. full albums.  You'd hope that any band has 1-2 great songs in them.  But seeing Generation X in your list makes me think that that first LP was pretty fine and 'Your Generation' and 'Day by Day' are two of my faves.  And Slaughter's Cranked and Bootboys are two great tunes.

Pim Scheelings said:

Hey Joanie i'd never heard of the Adverts. listened to them on you tube and instandly liked it thanx for the tip!

Hey Joanie i'd never heard of the Adverts. listened to them on you tube and instandly liked it thanx for the tip!

Yeah I agree with what lots of folks are saying here re- '77 - '79 LPs etc...I love The Adverts, hardly a duff sound in there...also The Flys 'Bunch Of Fives' EP, and their Love And A Molotov Cocktail 7", Johnny Moped 'No One', The Nosebleeds 'I Ain't Bin To Music School', Slaughter and The Dogs' 'Cranked Up...', The Radiators From Space 'Television Screen' and 'Enemies' 45s - they were really great live too, saw em opening for Thin Lizzy, wow, eek...also The Drones, The Pigs, Killjoys, Eater, Gen X's 'Perfect Hits' private press 7" EP thing too...The Fun 4, Bee Bee Cee, The Scaars 'Adultery' / 'Horrorshow' coupling is hard to beat too...waaarrrggghhh so many great records never heard by enough people...keep it coming

Joanie Lindstrom said:

Even tho a few people have mentioned The Adverts - Crossing the Red Sea, I think of that record as overlooked in the "best punk of all time" discussions.  Also the first three Ultravox records are pretty amazing.

Duke Of Earl said:

I'd be interested to know what people think are the most under rated and/or overlooked punk rock LPs/EPs from this time. 

Even tho a few people have mentioned The Adverts - Crossing the Red Sea, I think of that record as overlooked in the "best punk of all time" discussions.  Also the first three Ultravox records are pretty amazing.

Duke Of Earl said:

I'd be interested to know what people think are the most under rated and/or overlooked punk rock LPs/EPs from this time. 

1. Ramones - Ramones

2. Ramones - Leave Home

3. Clash - Clash

4. Damned - Damned Damned Damned

5. Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks

6. X Ray Spex - Germ Free Adolsecents

7. Dead Boys - Young Loud and Snotty

8. Blondie - Blondie

9. Generation X - Generation X

10. Sham 69 - Tell Us The Truth

I.....(sob).....GAVE AWAY......An original Vox Continetal...(The one with the orange top, white keys are black, black keys are white)....and a Wurlitzer 'Electronic' Piano....and SMASHED an old 'Leo' amp.........(A UK brand, a little 10 watt all valve practice amp....got to be early 60s....you had to run it turned right up, but when you did...Fuck, did it sound good....).....at one point.  I think I was probably possesed.....Did at least not chuck the Vox Tonebender III out with it all...

Sounds like my kind of present!

Best Christmas Music round-up ever! Excellent work and I am off to build a garland covered shrine to Kay Martin right now.

Ho Ho Ho podlubbers! Here's the third annual Big Enchilada Christmas Special. Enjoy holiday cheer from Hank Ballard, Billy Childish, Sonny Boy Williamson, Mojo Nixon, The Polkaholics, New Bomb Turks, The Supersuckers, King Coleman, The Trashmen, Angry Johnny & The Killbillies and so many more. You can find it here: http://garagepunk.ning.com/profiles/blogs/big-enchilada-30-2010 Thank you for making The Big Enchilada part of your Yuletide tradition.

The Dillions are not bad guitars in the least. I still swear that the Hallmarks are currently the best Mosrite clone on the market and, in many ways, exceed the quality of any of the current guitars being marketed under the Mosrite name. Please note, Mosrite died with Semi Mosley, so purchasing one today, unless vintage, would be simply forking out thousands for a name.

Axel said:

Thanks for the info. I surfed the net a bit and it seems the mosrite pu output was/is between 10 and 12 K. That should create a great sound when  usuing fuzz. There is  at least one company building mosrite styled pus these days to replace p-90s in all those clones(eastwood, wilson brothers, dillion).

In the meantime I got a Dillion Mosrite copy, 2002 model, and I love it. After I lowered the action is plays pretty decent. I'm not certain that my quest for 'my' perfect garage-punk guitar is over, but for now I'm really happy.

Kill, Baby...Kill! said:

In regard to the pickup question, the Mosrites had overwound P-90s that were very 'hot'. These sound very different from standard P-90s found on todays guitars.

There is no doubt that the Hardwire, when it come to versitility, is currently the best on the market. However, for those just wanting the old outboard Fender tank sound without forking out 600 or more dollars, I stand behind the Boss Fender FRV-1 63 reverb. It is surely a 'one trick pony' though.

Yes. I realy enjoyd the book.

Pim Scheelings said:

Aha Frriesland!

Aha Frriesland!

Yes, i'm from Leeuwarden.

Pim Scheelings said:

Hey thanx you from Holland?