Boneva? I think it's a rich chocolate ice cream bar , or maybe a limited edition Flintstones car , manufactured in Italy. I'm sure Mike was having a laugh , about medical precautions. I think it's great if people can dance (Not"Mosh") as well as they could 20 years ago , or whenever... I sure as Hell can't. I used to be known as the wildest dancer in town , in my 20's. I seldom dance , anymore. It's embarrassing how BAD I am.

But , they do a , usually yearly , reunion for the two original Punk Clubs in Chicago , O'Banion's and La Mere Vipere.....A lot of the people there are older than I am , in their 50's and even 60's , some of them. Some of them look great , some of them look like Hell.
 Some of the people my age and under look like Hell , too , so , THAT'S not an age thing.

But , James Porter will confirm that some of the older Chicago Punks or ex-Punks or whatever , still get out and have a good time , and look pretty good doing so , besides.

One of these reunion nights had a flyer that said "Break your hip on the dance floor !".

Tersicore said:

Hey Mike! He´s not even 50!! It sounds like you were talking to a 60 or 70 year´s old guy!
I´m not much younger than Andy but i can tell you: when i dance (jumping and stamping around,  even for hours) you would rarely find a 20year old girl able to compete! ;)
what´s a Boneva, by the way? no idea!

Mike said:

Andy,

  Just make sure you consult your doctor prior to vigorous excercise. Most of these clubs we lurk around don't have defibulators on site. And pop a few Boneva's once in a while so we don't break our hips and we can extend our adolescence a few more decades hopefully.  

Around 45.

Jane Dear said:

I don't even know what exact ages everyone is talking about here anyways. 

I don't even know what exact ages everyone is talking about here anyways. 

Hey Mike! He´s not even 50!! It sounds like you were talking to a 60 or 70 year´s old guy!
I´m not much younger than Andy but i can tell you: when i dance (jumping and stamping around,  even for hours) you would rarely find a 20year old girl able to compete! ;)
what´s a Boneva, by the way? no idea!

Mike said:

Andy,

  Just make sure you consult your doctor prior to vigorous excercise. Most of these clubs we lurk around don't have defibulators on site. And pop a few Boneva's once in a while so we don't break our hips and we can extend our adolescence a few more decades hopefully.  

I agree , too. I've known parents who were able to make time to still do the things they enjoyed , while making sure all was well with the kids. My parents were not Rock'n'Roll kids in the 50's . R'n'R was considered ONLY for the kids , back then , and  they were in their 20's , but , I remember , they always had a social life , went out , had friends come over. My Brothers and I would have driven them crazy if they did'nt.  
 
Tersicore said:

RIGHT! Totally agree! That´s the main thing! 

Jane Dear said:

If you take care of your responsibilities, I don't really see what the problem is. I get my job done, my kid is always safe, things are balanced well, BOOM. 

John Battles said:

Jane , I don't see any contradiction , there. Who has a right to question what you do in your own time , especially when it's constructive ? Kids should be exposed to some cool "Grownups" ANYWAY.  iT DOES MY HEART GOOD TO SEE THEM GET EXCITED ABOUT MUSIC.

Andy,

  Just make sure you consult your doctor prior to vigorous excercise. Most of these clubs we lurk around don't have defibulators on site. And pop a few Boneva's once in a while so we don't break our hips and we can extend our adolescence a few more decades hopefully. Yea, I understand the position you are in. Sometimes when talking to coworkers I realise how out of wack I am with popular culture. It's empowering and concerning at the same time. But then I have some friends who are stuck in time and actually very close minded to anything outside the realm of what they have been listening to for a zillion years now. Even though they are far from mainstream they are still trapped in a rigid uniform/lifestyle if you will. So I think the answer to your question is the cut off age is when you are doing it because it is what you have always done vs. what you are still feeling. Which for most of us here may mean never.

RIGHT! Totally agree! That´s the main thing! 

Jane Dear said:

If you take care of your responsibilities, I don't really see what the problem is. I get my job done, my kid is always safe, things are balanced well, BOOM. 

John Battles said:

Jane , I don't see any contradiction , there. Who has a right to question what you do in your own time , especially when it's constructive ? Kids should be exposed to some cool "Grownups" ANYWAY.  iT DOES MY HEART GOOD TO SEE THEM GET EXCITED ABOUT MUSIC.

NO, this was beside the point.
the (right) point is: we need the elder boys for the elder girls!! ;)

Tersicore said:

Yeah! Sure!!! and especially the older one!! They may have a little bit more to tell! ;)

dave said:

We need punks of all ages.

Find The Thing You're Most Passionate About, Then Do It On Nights And Weekends For The Rest Of Your Life

If you take care of your responsibilities, I don't really see what the problem is. I get my job done, my kid is always safe, things are balanced well, BOOM. 

John Battles said:

Jane , I don't see any contradiction , there. Who has a right to question what you do in your own time , especially when it's constructive ? Kids should be exposed to some cool "Grownups" ANYWAY.  iT DOES MY HEART GOOD TO SEE THEM GET EXCITED ABOUT MUSIC.

Yeah! Sure!!! and especially the older one!! They may have a little bit more to tell! ;)

dave said:

We need punks of all ages.

One of my friend's kids is rebelling by shutting out music , completely. I did'nt mean kids should be imitating their parent's "cool" friends , but , they might learn from them.....There's a LOT more access to media than when I was getting into this stuff. When I first saw my little Godchild jumping around the room , happily , to The Ramones , at age 2 , this old Grinch's heart grew to three times it's normal size. That NEVER would have happened when The Ramones were in their heyday , or , if it did , no one alerted the media. 
 
Andy Climax said:

Yer right. monkey see monkey do! As long as there's a steady stream of cool movies, groovies an tv. As Mr Daltrey said... 'The Kids are Alriiight!' I do worry however about the rebellion years. What will our kids do to rebel??? We had Punk, Goth, Grunge (decent) Hip Hop and Rap, etc. Will they Become Chartered Accountants or worse... POLITICIANS? Aaaaaaaargh! who'd be an adult? I'm off to listen to 'Angry Young Them' Van the Man will guide us! haha

There is no cut off. We have a duty to keep on going. We are the generation that wanted rebellion and individuality. That's not restricted to a certain age group. As long as the hairs on the back of my neck keep indicating to continue I'm there.

Howie , Funny you mention it. I found out about the "Bust OUT" / "I'm Cramped" connection in 1987 , myself. I found "Bust Out" in a thrift store , and it confirmed my suspicion that "I'm Cramped" was probably based on a (Then) little - known 60's instrumental. The only explanation that bears repeating is that it was more gratifying to find out about this stuff on your own. Still is. But , I don't mind giving advice to younger people just getting into this music , though I'm seldom asked for it.

haha...right? i started this homework assignment in 1977 & it took me a good decade to find out what you can find out in about 10 minutes nowadays...how can we explain THAT??

John Battles said:

Yeah , I mentioned that , earlier. There's no mistaking , if you hear "Bust Out" by The Busters , that it's the skeleton for "I'm Cramped".   'Psychotic Reaction" by The Count Five .....Well , it influenced "Psychotic Reaction" by The Cramps....Hello ? Is this thing on?  Wow .Tough crowd.

James , I cite that example because it's everything WXRT is not , today. It's not just a Rockpile show , it is THEE Rockpile show , energy levels set at "RAMONES". It's too rockin' , too raw , and too fast for that dull as burnt toast station , today. Does'nt mean they'll NEVER play it again , but , I'm not betting the farm on it......

I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THEY'LL EVER PLAY THE JAM'S CONCERT AT PARK WEST AGAIN , EITHER. I've had to hear their concert series , against my will , many times , and it's amazed me how few of the bands get past a Hootie and The Blowfish intensity , but , we've both been to XRT - sponsored shows , and seen their latter - day audience , so , I should'nt be amazed at all.

ok , They DO have Little Steven's show , now , but , otherwise , when I hear that station , I think , most of their listeners are probably only 10 years older than me. How could they give up the rock , so easily  ?
James Porter said:

John Battles: I admit, I haven't read the article in a long time, but I could have sworn that Cary mentioned Kramer and Thunders in that piece. It was some artist who, as of summer '79, was too hip for the album rock stations, and my friend couldn't believe what he was hearing. Sky Daniels was the DJ's name, and he was also the program director. I just found an online interview with Daniels, and he basically backs up what I was saying. He claims that "in the beginning," he actually snuck the likes of Ian Dury and Lene Lovich onto the Loop airwaves, but the higher-ups insisted that he stick with bad arena rock. The suits won that battle, obviously.

As far as WXRT, Nick Lowe and Dave Edmunds were quintessential XRT artists, and I wouldn't be surprised if their Park West gig were dusted off for rebroadcast some sweet day. When Rockpile's one and only album came out, XRT is the only station I remember playing it.

Wow, that's really cool. I really miss the Dr. Demento show. I discovered it in the fall of '84 after going off to college where I could pick up a radio station from KC that was playing it every week (it wasn't on the air in St. Louis). That show turned me onto so much great, weird shit.

Glenn Peart said:

I was listening to the Dr. Demento show on KMET, Los Angeles back in 1977. He was doing a 'Tribute to England' show playing comedy songs, but the last song he played was the Sex Pistols doing 'God Save the Queen'. I went out immediately and bought the import album on Virgin, since it had not been released in the U.S. on Warner Bros. yet. Right after that, I found the 'Rodney on the Roq' radio show on KROQ and starting listening every Sunday night at 9:00. I was lucky to have lived in LA at the time, since the scene there was an important one in the history of punk rock.

Well, this year i won´t miss the Surfer Joe Summer Festival in Italy! 

Can´t wait to see The Apeman!! but the other bands too! :)

That´s so cool! The three days for Free! I guess i´m gonna donate something!
hope to meet some of you there!

this sounds great! well promising, thanx!

Andy Climax said:

Debut album out soon. Gnarly!!!

Debut album out soon. Gnarly!!!

Thanks...the latest episode starts playing if ya just go to my page on here actually...

That's a great band Andy!

The Coathangers

New band making big noise over here. Live show is amazing. Album out soon. check'em out!

Did you see The Feelgoods with Gypie Mayo?

Pete English said:

The first show I saw was also the first show I worked as local crew. It was New Model Army in the International Club,Manchester,UK in 1985 or 1986. The first punk gig I paid to see was Conflict in the Mermaid Club in Birmingham UK. And the best show would have to be James Brown in Anaheim,California. Or Doctor Feelgood in the late 80s,any year. Or The Cramps at any gig. Or Nirvana in Manchester in the early 90s. Or Beastie Boys on the License To Ill Tour. Or Public Enemy in late 80s early90s. The list could go on and on. Too many amazing gigs.

The first show I saw was also the first show I worked as local crew. It was New Model Army in the International Club,Manchester,UK in 1985 or 1986. The first punk gig I paid to see was Conflict in the Mermaid Club in Birmingham UK. And the best show would have to be James Brown in Anaheim,California. Or Doctor Feelgood in the late 80s,any year. Or The Cramps at any gig. Or Nirvana in Manchester in the early 90s. Or Beastie Boys on the License To Ill Tour. Or Public Enemy in late 80s early90s. The list could go on and on. Too many amazing gigs.